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I'm trying to give my best 'Public Service Message' in an effort to assist in the division regarding our starting quarterback. I understand that many are upset in hearing the dollars being talked about in regard to his next contract. And while I understand it, I hope that people also understand that all entertainers are grossly overpaid! If we want to 'fix' that, it's far bigger than one Dak Prescott.

But what I did was a quick crunching of some numbers between Dak and his closest contemporaries, Jared Goff, and Carson Wentz. Rather than focusing on Dak asking for 'Russell Wilson money', let's take a look at what he would cost the Cowboys vs what his contemporaries are costing their teams. There's not a fairer comparison out there.

So here are my quick numbers, cap guru's feel free to correct me if and where I'm wrong:

Jared Goff rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $49,677,990

Extension – 4 years - $134 million

Total = 8 years - $183,677,990


Carson Wentz rookie contract – 2016 – 2019 - $39,676,339

Extension – 4 years - $128 million

Total = 8 years -$167,676,339


Dak Prescott rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $4,903,172

Extension – 4 years - $140 million

Total = 8 years – $144,903.172

Reported $37 million a year figure - $148 million

Adjusted Maximum Total = 8 years – $152,903.172

So what we have are two final projections for Prescott, at the current 'Russel Wilson contract' numbers, or the highest end numbers at $37 million a year reported on that $5 year deal (kept to a 4-year comparison).

So, even if the team paid Prescott at the highest reported annual level, they would still ultimately have the better, more accomplished, more productive, healthier player at a huge discount.

$31 million cheaper than Jared Goff.

$15 million cheaper than Carson Wentz.

This certainly helps me to feel better about it, and I hope it does for some of you as well.

It does, so WHY does the media have ANY credibility left? They’ll report ANY contract the Cowboys give Dak as overypaying. “The Cowboys are doomed! The FO is the dumbest collection of fools! Typical ‘Hollywood’ arrogance and incompetency!”
 

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Honestly who cares what "they" think anyway right? It really doesn't matter one bit. It's very much like politics isn't it? It's just an argument no one can ever win.

Stash gave us a realistic breakdown, but honestly he really shouldn't of had to do that. The Cowboys were extremely fortunate to have Dak play for peanuts for as long as he did now it's time to pay him market value. There are no other sure things out there just waiting to be plucked. Have we all forgotten about Quincy Carter, Drew Henson ETC? We're very fortunate to have lucked into Dak Prescott, and there really isn't a harder worker or a better man out there.
Market value for Dak is around 30-33 mil/season. That's been offered and he's turning it down.
 

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$31 million cheaper than Jared Goff.

$15 million cheaper than Carson Wentz.

This certainly helps me to feel better about it, and I hope it does for some of you as well.

The other factors that make me feel better is that Wentz is a wuss with no teammates behind him and Goff was partially a product of McVay's system, which the league has figured out now.
 

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Deshaun Watson and the Texans are the ones we have to worry about.

First, look at what they did with Hopkins, and then trading for Cooks and what they paid Randall Cobb.

Then take a look at what they did to the offensive tackle market when they paid Tunsil.

They will undoubtedly screw up the quarterback market.
What's Bob's been doing has not worked. He's freaking out. Should have been fired.
 

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The comparison should be with similar level QBs such as Brian Bortles, Case Keenum, Jacoby Brissett, Marcus Mariota etc.
 

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It does, so WHY does the media have ANY credibility left? They’ll report ANY contract the Cowboys give Dak as overypaying. “The Cowboys are doomed! The FO is the dumbest collection of fools! Typical ‘Hollywood’ arrogance and incompetency!”

Because ours is far and away the most popular and newsworthy team in the league. Saying anything - good or bad - about the Cowboys brings attention and the media knows it. Even when what they say makes no sense.
 

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The other factors that make me feel better is that Wentz is a wuss with no teammates behind him and Goff was partially a product of McVay's system, which the league has figured out now.
Yeah it’s a good thing Dak isn’t known for being a part of a system or anything... :rolleyes:
 

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I'm trying to give my best 'Public Service Message' in an effort to assist in the division regarding our starting quarterback. I understand that many are upset in hearing the dollars being talked about in regard to his next contract. And while I understand it, I hope that people also understand that all entertainers are grossly overpaid! If we want to 'fix' that, it's far bigger than one Dak Prescott.

But what I did was a quick crunching of some numbers between Dak and his closest contemporaries, Jared Goff, and Carson Wentz. Rather than focusing on Dak asking for 'Russell Wilson money', let's take a look at what he would cost the Cowboys vs what his contemporaries are costing their teams. There's not a fairer comparison out there.

So here are my quick numbers, cap guru's feel free to correct me if and where I'm wrong:

Jared Goff rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $49,677,990

Extension – 4 years - $134 million

Total = 8 years - $183,677,990


Carson Wentz rookie contract – 2016 – 2019 - $39,676,339

Extension – 4 years - $128 million

Total = 8 years -$167,676,339


Dak Prescott rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $4,903,172

Extension – 4 years - $140 million

Total = 8 years – $144,903.172

Reported $37 million a year figure - $148 million

Adjusted Maximum Total = 8 years – $152,903.172

So what we have are two final projections for Prescott, at the current 'Russel Wilson contract' numbers, or the highest end numbers at $37 million a year reported on that $5 year deal (kept to a 4-year comparison).

So, even if the team paid Prescott at the highest reported annual level, they would still ultimately have the better, more accomplished, more productive, healthier player at a huge discount.

$31 million cheaper than Jared Goff.

$15 million cheaper than Carson Wentz.

This certainly helps me to feel better about it, and I hope it does for some of you as well.


massive credit for creativity, very well done.

Unfortunately, doesn't make me feel any better....if Dallas had used the extra dollars in the first 4 years to win a superbowl i think i would feel different....but alas we wasted a cheap good qb
 

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massive credit for creativity, very well done.

Unfortunately, doesn't make me feel any better....if Dallas had used the extra dollars in the first 4 years to win a superbowl i think i would feel different....but alas we wasted a cheap good qb

Eh, I gave it a shot.

Thanks for the kind words just the same.
 

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Great post!!

These contracts will be peanuts when owners start cashing the new broadcasting $$ checks
There are really two ways to look at it.

1. The Front office and team agree that Dak is Elite and move forward and pay or they are convinced that he is not at the same level as Goff & Wentz and just move on. It is not going to get any cheaper.
2. What other options do we have?
-Dalton- If the coaching staff wants to roll with him and believe in his talent then move forward.
-Cam Newton- I would really go out and sign this guy. Whatever you want to say about him behavior.. I agree with you. I wont say But, instead And. He is a elite talent if he is healthy. We need to send a covert medical team to check him out like Miami did with Tua.
He is 30, or 31 which is not old by any measure. If his shoulder checks out, we can get him at a cheaper cost.
-Winston/Mariotta- Reclamation project... more Mariotta is the true reclamation.

Letting him explore FA early on was the right move, now you are stuck paying him the Franchise or long term contract.
You can roll the dice and hope the cap stays the same and have some unforseen leverage as I dont expect a covid free season.
Fans will be limited.

I know its more than 2 options... Lol
 

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You want to make the don't re-sign Dak crowd feel better? Well I want them to feel worse so....

Jerry Jones makes the decisions in Dallas and there's nothing you can do about it.

Jerry wants Dak to be our franchise QB and there's nothing you can do about it.

Dallas is going to re-sign Dak and there's nothing you can do about it.

Dak is going to make over 30 million a year and there's nothing you can do about it.

Dak will be our starter for the next four years and there's nothing you can do about it.

Andy Dalton will not be with this team next year and there's nothing you can do about it.

So guess what Dak doubters your powerless and there's nothing you can do about that either.
:laugh:

This is for you @CowboyRoy and @WillieBeamen.
Jerry has been the downfall of this organization for the last 25 years and now we are supposed to put faith in his judgement? I don’t think so. Jerry is the guy that ran Jimmy Johnson off after he had won back to back Super Bowls, but now he has good judgment?
 

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Jerry has been the downfall of this organization for the last 25 years and now we are supposed to put faith in his judgement? I don’t think so. Jerry is the guy that ran Jimmy Johnson off after he had won back to back Super Bowls, but now he has good judgment?
I repeat....Jerry Jones makes decisions in Dallas and there's nothing we can do about it. So it doesn't matter if we have faith in him or not. Because at the end of the day Jerry will still be the one making the decisions.

Not trying to be ugly, but that's just the cold hard truth.
 

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ok
please help me understand this

so the disagreement is 5 years with the last year being a 45 mill demand vs 4 years with each year being an average of 30 to 35 per year?

after the july deadline, is Dak gone (free agent) at end of year or will there be a chance to negotiate?

thanks
 

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I'm trying to give my best 'Public Service Message' in an effort to assist in the division regarding our starting quarterback. I understand that many are upset in hearing the dollars being talked about in regard to his next contract. And while I understand it, I hope that people also understand that all entertainers are grossly overpaid! If we want to 'fix' that, it's far bigger than one Dak Prescott.

But what I did was a quick crunching of some numbers between Dak and his closest contemporaries, Jared Goff, and Carson Wentz. Rather than focusing on Dak asking for 'Russell Wilson money', let's take a look at what he would cost the Cowboys vs what his contemporaries are costing their teams. There's not a fairer comparison out there.

So here are my quick numbers, cap guru's feel free to correct me if and where I'm wrong:

Jared Goff rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $49,677,990

Extension – 4 years - $134 million

Total = 8 years - $183,677,990


Carson Wentz rookie contract – 2016 – 2019 - $39,676,339

Extension – 4 years - $128 million

Total = 8 years -$167,676,339


Dak Prescott rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $4,903,172

Extension – 4 years - $140 million

Total = 8 years – $144,903.172

Reported $37 million a year figure - $148 million

Adjusted Maximum Total = 8 years – $152,903.172

So what we have are two final projections for Prescott, at the current 'Russel Wilson contract' numbers, or the highest end numbers at $37 million a year reported on that $5 year deal (kept to a 4-year comparison).

So, even if the team paid Prescott at the highest reported annual level, they would still ultimately have the better, more accomplished, more productive, healthier player at a huge discount.

$31 million cheaper than Jared Goff.

$15 million cheaper than Carson Wentz.

This certainly helps me to feel better about it, and I hope it does for some of you as well.
I was hoping this thread was about the Dez Fan Bois giving up on the dream that Dez is coming back, ever.
 

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Jerry has been the downfall of this organization for the last 25 years and now we are supposed to put faith in his judgement? I don’t think so. Jerry is the guy that ran Jimmy Johnson off after he had won back to back Super Bowls, but now he has good judgment?
:hammer:
 

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Jerry has been the downfall of this organization for the last 25 years and now we are supposed to put faith in his judgement? I don’t think so. Jerry is the guy that ran Jimmy Johnson off after he had won back to back Super Bowls, but now he has good judgment?

Jerry has a history of very poor judgement with QBs - Leaf, Hutchison, Henson, Carter, Weedon etc. He is usually wrong. So if Jerry thinks Dak is elite, can you trust this judgement?
 

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I'm trying to give my best 'Public Service Message' in an effort to assist in the division regarding our starting quarterback. I understand that many are upset in hearing the dollars being talked about in regard to his next contract. And while I understand it, I hope that people also understand that all entertainers are grossly overpaid! If we want to 'fix' that, it's far bigger than one Dak Prescott.

But what I did was a quick crunching of some numbers between Dak and his closest contemporaries, Jared Goff, and Carson Wentz. Rather than focusing on Dak asking for 'Russell Wilson money', let's take a look at what he would cost the Cowboys vs what his contemporaries are costing their teams. There's not a fairer comparison out there.

So here are my quick numbers, cap guru's feel free to correct me if and where I'm wrong:

Jared Goff rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $49,677,990

Extension – 4 years - $134 million

Total = 8 years - $183,677,990


Carson Wentz rookie contract – 2016 – 2019 - $39,676,339

Extension – 4 years - $128 million

Total = 8 years -$167,676,339




Dak Prescott rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $4,903,172

Extension – 4 years - $140 million

Total = 8 years – $144,903.172

Reported $37 million a year figure - $148 million

Adjusted Maximum Total = 8 years – $152,903.172

So what we have are two final projections for Prescott, at the current 'Russel Wilson contract' numbers, or the highest end numbers at $37 million a year reported on that $5 year deal (kept to a 4-year comparison).

So, even if the team paid Prescott at the highest reported annual level, they would still ultimately have the better, more accomplished, more productive, healthier player at a huge discount.

$31 million cheaper than Jared Goff.

$15 million cheaper than Carson Wentz.

This certainly helps me to feel better about it, and I hope it does for some of you as well.

Past years are sunk cost.

We're talking like 35mil a year, which would be 140mil for 4 years for Dak. The comparables of Wentz and Goff.
Differences in favor of extra money for Dak relative to them:
1) They were both early *extensions* on 5th year option years, while with Dak we're talking a contract in his 5th year able to lock in franchise tag money already.
2) Dak is a year later in an inflating QB market *after* a new CBA.
3) Dak was better last year.
4) Dak has been more durable all years.

Carson Wentz 4 $128,000,000 $32,000,000 26
Jared Goff 4 $134,000,000 $33,500,000 24

If you're on board with the payscale for QBs generally, there's nothing to complain about with the numbers that are being tossed around for Dak.

If we're going to buy a franchise QB, I'll take Dak. But I've been of the opinion that QBs are overpriced for a while, and the winning strategy is to get serious about developing them and churn them.

Could be fun to roll the dice on Dalton, and spend all the money that would have gone to Dak on improving other positions this year. That probably gives us our best team this year.
 

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Past years are sunk cost.

We're talking like 35mil a year, which would be 140mil for 4 years for Dak. The comparables of Wentz and Goff.
Differences in favor of extra money for Dak relative to them:
1) They were both early *extensions* on 5th year option years, while with Dak we're talking a contract in his 5th year able to lock in franchise tag money already.
2) Dak is a year later in an inflating QB market *after* a new CBA.
3) Dak was better last year.
4) Dak has been more durable all years.

Carson Wentz 4 $128,000,000 $32,000,000 26
Jared Goff 4 $134,000,000 $33,500,000 24

If you're on board with the payscale for QBs generally, there's nothing to complain about with the numbers that are being tossed around for Dak.

If we're going to buy a franchise QB, I'll take Dak. But I've been of the opinion that QBs are overpriced for a while, and the winning strategy is to get serious about developing them and churn them.

Could be fun to roll the dice on Dalton, and spend all the money that would have gone to Dak on improving other positions this year. That probably gives us our best team this year.

It might give us the best chance to win this year depending on how they use the money, but then you would in all likelihood have to pay Dalton (or another lesser qb) $30 million+ the following year or roll with Dinucci.
 

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I'm trying to give my best 'Public Service Message' in an effort to assist in the division regarding our starting quarterback. I understand that many are upset in hearing the dollars being talked about in regard to his next contract. And while I understand it, I hope that people also understand that all entertainers are grossly overpaid! If we want to 'fix' that, it's far bigger than one Dak Prescott.

But what I did was a quick crunching of some numbers between Dak and his closest contemporaries, Jared Goff, and Carson Wentz. Rather than focusing on Dak asking for 'Russell Wilson money', let's take a look at what he would cost the Cowboys vs what his contemporaries are costing their teams. There's not a fairer comparison out there.

So here are my quick numbers, cap guru's feel free to correct me if and where I'm wrong:

Jared Goff rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $49,677,990

Extension – 4 years - $134 million

Total = 8 years - $183,677,990


Carson Wentz rookie contract – 2016 – 2019 - $39,676,339

Extension – 4 years - $128 million

Total = 8 years -$167,676,339


Dak Prescott rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $4,903,172

Extension – 4 years - $140 million

Total = 8 years – $144,903.172

Reported $37 million a year figure - $148 million

Adjusted Maximum Total = 8 years – $152,903.172

So what we have are two final projections for Prescott, at the current 'Russel Wilson contract' numbers, or the highest end numbers at $37 million a year reported on that $5 year deal (kept to a 4-year comparison).

So, even if the team paid Prescott at the highest reported annual level, they would still ultimately have the better, more accomplished, more productive, healthier player at a huge discount.

$31 million cheaper than Jared Goff.

$15 million cheaper than Carson Wentz.

This certainly helps me to feel better about it, and I hope it does for some of you as well.
I will feel just fine if the Cowboys win the Super Bowl this year, no matter who the QB is -or is not .
 
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