Video: Andy Dalton is putting in some work! Shows some great accuracy as well!

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Dalton has a stronger and more accurate arm than Dak. That's not debatable. However, Dak has better field vision, more mobility, can make plays when things breakdown, amongst other intangibles that are hard to teach.


look I want Dak to be resigned but in noway does Dak have good vision. Dak has AWFUL field vision. He misses guys that are open all the time and throws checkdown passes or runs. He also needs "Dak Friendly" guys. He needs to see separation to even make the throw.

I do agree Dak has very good intangibles and leadership skills. Dak seems to that "IT" factor.
 

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Ahhh, yes, the first five years argument. Seems convincing on the surface but let's take a closer look at it.

Year one: Dalton = 58% completions, 20 TDs, 13 INTs; Bengals 9th in team defense
Year two: Dalton = 62% completions, 27 TDs, 16 INTs; Bengals 8th in team defense
Year three: Dalton = 62% completions, 33 TDs, 20 INTs; Bengals 5th in team defense
Year four: Dalton = 64% completions, 19 TDs, 17 INTs; Bengals 12th in team defense
Year five: Dalton = 65% completions, 25 TDs, 7 INTs; Bengals 2nd in team defense

Dude had a top 10 defense 4 of those 5 years and couldn't win a playoff game.
He averaged fewer than 25 TD passes and more than 14 INTs in those 5 years.

It's one thing to not want to invest top dollar in Dak. I'm not crazy about that kind of money, either. But this notion that Dalton is Dak's equal - or worse yet, better - is nonsense. The "he played in Cincinnati" excuse is lazy.
He was also playing in the same division as Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

Dak is playing in the easiest division in football.
 

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Use Dak’s Money to sign Clowney. I’m over it, we’re never winning anything with Dak. Start Dalton! With these weapons, OL, and HC give Dalton something he never had..

#cheap and just as good.
 

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Use Dak’s Money to sign Clowney. I’m over it, we’re never winning anything with Dak. Start Dalton! With these weapons, OL, and HC give Dalton something he never had..

#cheap and just as good.
Sure you do that. Works for one year paying Dalton 7M. Next year guess what? You're going to have to pay Dalton too. Probably a contract right above Ryan Tannehill's. So great now you are paying Dalton 30-32M a year, and you just saved 3-5M a year to have Dalton rather than Dak (GREAT SAVINGS WOOP). Or do you suggest to draft a QB or sign another veteran at a discount price and re-do this every year? Your presumption of getting Clowney and rolling with Dalton only works for one year. The front office is tasked with maximizing their chances and keeping the team competitive. I'm glad you aint running the team.
 

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my guess is when he is throwing the ball Dak would have got maybe 1 of those passes in that tight area
yeah that was surprising, very small window not much bigger than the football and he was nailing it.
granted it is a still target and not in a game but still good.
good spiral and zip on the ball too.
I have seen dak miss targets bigger than that whole net!
 

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Sure you do that. Works for one year paying Dalton 7M. Next year guess what? You're going to have to pay Dalton too. Probably a contract right above Ryan Tannehill's. So great now you are paying Dalton 30-32M a year, and you just saved 3-5M a year to have Dalton rather than Dak (GREAT SAVINGS WOOP). Or do you suggest to draft a QB or sign another veteran at a discount price and re-do this every year? Your presumption of getting Clowney and rolling with Dalton only works for one year. The front office is tasked with maximizing their chances and keeping the team competitive. I'm glad you aint running the team.
I never said anything about re-signing Dalton. Frankly if it was me and Dalton has a good year. I would do the same thing I’d do with Dak. Franchise him and try to trade him. I don’t believe Dak or Dalton are the long term answer. I know that we can have a solid season with either, take the Draft picks and let McCarthy get his own guy. There’s 3 guys in the league who are QB genies: Payton, Reid , and McCarthy.
 

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Sure you do that. Works for one year paying Dalton 7M. Next year guess what? You're going to have to pay Dalton too. Probably a contract right above Ryan Tannehill's. So great now you are paying Dalton 30-32M a year, and you just saved 3-5M a year to have Dalton rather than Dak (GREAT SAVINGS WOOP). Or do you suggest to draft a QB or sign another veteran at a discount price and re-do this every year? Your presumption of getting Clowney and rolling with Dalton only works for one year. The front office is tasked with maximizing their chances and keeping the team competitive. I'm glad you aint running the team.

I don't think this is a given. I mean, it could be but I wouldn't say it is a fact. I definitely believe that he will get paid more, once the market opens up for him more. But how much more right? I wuld not say it's a given that Dalton gets 30-32. Will be interesting to see how it works out.
 

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I don't think this is a given. I mean, it could be but I wouldn't say it is a fact. I definitely believe that he will get paid more, once the market opens up for him more. But how much more right? I wuld not say it's a given that Dalton gets 30-32. Will be interesting to see how it works out.
If Dalton were to hypothetically start this whole year, and as a lot of yall suggest he is comparable to Dak and could produce the same.. those numbers would turn out good. Which in turn would mean a Ryan Tanny-esque extension. Its not gonna happen, unless theres an injury to Dak.
 

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I never said anything about re-signing Dalton. Frankly if it was me and Dalton has a good year. I would do the same thing I’d do with Dak. Franchise him and try to trade him. I don’t believe Dak or Dalton are the long term answer. I know that we can have a solid season with either, take the Draft picks and let McCarthy get his own guy. There’s 3 guys in the league who are QB genies: Payton, Reid , and McCarthy.
You franchise tag Dalton next year, you won't have room for a Clowney. It aint that simple. You are gonna end up paying Dalton north of 34M for a single year. Then on top of that we are wasting the remaining good years of our offensive line to try to get a transcendent QB from the draft and develop him. I really see our best option is to play Dak for the next 4 years. If we don't have playoff success reset on the position. Or try to get Andrew Luck out of retirement. I don't see any other way the front office could actually improve the position.
 

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You franchise tag Dalton next year, you won't have room for a Clowney. It aint that simple. You are gonna end up paying Dalton north of 34M for a single year. Then on top of that we are wasting the remaining good years of our offensive line to try to get a transcendent QB from the draft and develop him. I really see our best option is to play Dak for the next 4 years. If we don't have playoff success reset on the position. Or try to get Andrew Luck out of retirement. I don't see any other way the front office could actually improve the position.
the Only reason I’m franchising Dalton is to try and trade him assuming he has a really solid season. Like I said I’m trying to accumulate ammo to Draft a real franchise QB. I don’t think Dak or Dalton will ever win a SB. They’re both solid QB’s nothing more.
 

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If Dalton were to hypothetically start this whole year, and as a lot of yall suggest he is comparable to Dak and could produce the same.. those numbers would turn out good. Which in turn would mean a Ryan Tanny-esque extension. Its not gonna happen, unless theres an injury to Dak.

Who is "yall "?

You assume that other teams would have paid Tannehill the same way the Titans did. I don't necessarily believe that's a given. The Titans situation is different then ours is. The Titan's are paying Tannehill a reasonable amount of money for a starting QB, some would contend. However, any other team would have to sign him to a new deal. Tannehill's deal was an extension so that changes things a little bit, IMO. But more to the point, the Titans don't rely on their QB to win games. Tannehill isn't trying to throw for 5k yards. They win with STs, D, the run game and 200/250 yds on 18 to 20 Attempts, a TD and no INTs. Tannehill is a value to them, in the short term. His extension is really a 3 year deal and then it's very easy for the Titans to get out of it. I suspect that the Titans believe they can bring in any decent QB and see a similar performance, in terms of production. Dalton's situation and the teams position, IMO, is a little bit different to me.

JMO
 

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Who is "yall "?

You assume that other teams would have paid Tannehill the same way the Titans did. I don't necessarily believe that's a given. The Titans situation is different then ours is. The Titan's are paying Tannehill a reasonable amount of money for a starting QB, some would contend. However, any other team would have to sign him to a new deal. Tannehill's deal was an extension so that changes things a little bit, IMO. But more to the point, the Titans don't rely on their QB to win games. Tannehill isn't trying to throw for 5k yards. They win with STs, D, the run game and 200/250 yds on 18 to 20 Attempts, a TD and no INTs. Tannehill is a value to them, in the short term. His extension is really a 3 year deal and then it's very easy for the Titans to get out of it. I suspect that the Titans believe they can bring in any decent QB and see a similar performance, in terms of production. Dalton's situation and the teams position, IMO, is a little bit different to me.

JMO
The yall refers to the ~33% that voted they'd rather have Dalton starting for us in another thread with a poll.

I'm comparing Dalton to Tanny because I feel they had similar career paths. Both long-time starters for the team that drafted them and are now on different teams. Which I do think they'd have similar market values. Panthers dished out 21M/year to IMO an unproven QB. Dalton and Tanny both have proven to be multi-year starters, without the multi-probowl success. So I am basing the market value based off of current players' contracts. We are both making assumptions on what we are saying.

Either way, my initial point is that I believe the team is indeed doing whats best for the team by signing Dak. Keeps the team competitive while the O-Line is still performing at a high level. I wouldn't want to restart the position yet.
 

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the Only reason I’m franchising Dalton is to try and trade him assuming he has a really solid season. Like I said I’m trying to accumulate ammo to Draft a real franchise QB. I don’t think Dak or Dalton will ever win a SB. They’re both solid QB’s nothing more.
Understood. I just don't think its a realistic plan. Its rare to see QBs get traded after signing a tag for a good amount of draft picks that would get you that real franchise QB. I doubt it happens.
 

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The yall refers to the ~33% that voted they'd rather have Dalton starting for us in another thread with a poll.

I'm comparing Dalton to Tanny because I feel they had similar career paths. Both long-time starters for the team that drafted them and are now on different teams. Which I do think they'd have similar market values. Panthers dished out 21M/year to IMO an unproven QB. Dalton and Tanny both have proven to be multi-year starters, without the multi-probowl success. So I am basing the market value based off of current players' contracts. We are both making assumptions on what we are saying.

Either way, my initial point is that I believe the team is indeed doing whats best for the team by signing Dak. Keeps the team competitive while the O-Line is still performing at a high level. I wouldn't want to restart the position yet.

OK. I didn't understand the reference.

I see a lot of differences in Tannehill and Dalton. Dalton was always a QB, coming out of TCU and into the NFL. Tannehill was a TE at A&M and kinda transitioned into the QB position so I think there is, even today, a really big difference in actual experience. Dalton enjoyed a lot of success, early on, Tannehill didn't. I feel like there are significant differences but that's just me.

Bottom line, Dalton will work in a much larger segment of NFL teams. He can pass the ball much better then Tannehill or run a run first offense. I don't think Tannehill can do that but again, doesn't really matter. I don't think they are comparable situations but as I said earlier, that's just my opinion.
 
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