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none of the three aforementioned qb's exactly set the world on fire last year, regardless of salary. but I think dak finished with the worst record at 8-8. as for comparisons to entertainers, would the terminator series have been the same without Arnold? or dirty harry without eastwood?
Good point. Each film was dependent on its respective lead actor. Having a different person playing the role would have completely changed the film.......But now I wanna see Clint as the Terminator! "Come with me, if you wanna live....idiot!"
 

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Thanks Einstein, like nobody new this........doesn't make anybody feel better or worse either way. Dak apologists rejoice Jerry is just dumb enough to sign average at elite pay..... look forward to many more years of average records and no super bowls, hope everyone feels better either way.
I love irony. :laugh:
Sorry Brax, no offense intended. I tried to resist the temptation, but it was too strong.
 

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We could luck up and win one with a better defense. S.F. and the Titans got close with questionable QB play. So why not us?
You are correct, who knows, it will be enjoyable to watch, Dak better take a huge step forward for the $$$$ Jerry is going to give him, problem is this is the kind of Jerry deal that has kept this franchise a has-been for the last 20 odd years. Wish someone would tell Jerry he doesn't know football talent. Stay safe.
 

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You want to make the don't re-sign Dak crowd feel better? Well I want them to feel worse so....

Jerry Jones makes the decisions in Dallas and there's nothing you can do about it.

Jerry wants Dak to be our franchise QB and there's nothing you can do about it.

Dallas is going to re-sign Dak and there's nothing you can do about it.

Dak is going to make over 30 million a year and there's nothing you can do about it.

Dak will be our starter for the next four years and there's nothing you can do about it.

Andy Dalton will not be with this team next year and there's nothing you can do about it.

So guess what Dak doubters your powerless and there's nothing you can do about that either.
:laugh:

This is for you @CowboyRoy and @WillieBeamen.
I appreciate your enthusiasm and directness, but nah.
 

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Personally, I don't think the contributions of the position overall are anywhere near worth what the players make and the cap hits to the team. But that's the market and that's the league at this point in time. And you either have one and pay handsomely to keep them, or you're a have-not team that's scrambling to find one.

Yep, it's true and while I am not in the "believe in Dak camp", I also don't want to be in the camp of those searching for a QB. Dak is a good QB, I just don't think he is a difference maker. He is as good of a player as a few recent ones who have made it to the Super Bowl. Not sure how Dalton would do in our situation, he has been a loser for too long now, the mentality is not good for a player - especially a QB.

Could he thrive, sure, but I would not bet on it. I don't think the Cowboys have much choice here. With the team they assembled, they are not going to be in the position to draft a "sure thing" guy in the next few years. The only way Dalton gets a look is an injury because Dak is either signing a contract or the tag and he will be the starter.

Jerry and Stephen made their bed.
 

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Yep, it's true and while I am not in the "believe in Dak camp", I also don't want to be in the camp of those searching for a QB. Dak is a good QB, I just don't think he is a difference maker. He is as good of a player as a few recent ones who have made it to the Super Bowl. Not sure how Dalton would do in our situation, he has been a loser for too long now, the mentality is not good for a player - especially a QB.

Could he thrive, sure, but I would not bet on it. I don't think the Cowboys have much choice here. With the team they assembled, they are not going to be in the position to draft a "sure thing" guy in the next few years. The only way Dalton gets a look is an injury because Dak is either signing a contract or the tag and he will be the starter.

Dalton is one of the better backups in the league at this point. I'm confident that he could capably step in and win us a few games were Dak to get hurt. But I don't see him as the quarterback you want starting or someone you're transitioning to. His team finished with the worst record in the league last year and they were done, done, done with him. Not even considering keeping him as their own backup or option. I don;t foresee Dalton being a starter in the league again, with this team or any other. But I wouldn;t have any problem keeping him around as our long term backup here.

Jerry and Stephen made their bed.

They've bungled this thing in so many ways, and even getting a long term deal done will not change that.
 

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The thing that makes me feel the best is that McCarthy has won the big one(and carrot head is gone):laugh:
I agree. But I don’t understand a little laughing star. Not sure what that represents
 

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I'm trying to give my best 'Public Service Message' in an effort to assist in the division regarding our starting quarterback. I understand that many are upset in hearing the dollars being talked about in regard to his next contract. And while I understand it, I hope that people also understand that all entertainers are grossly overpaid! If we want to 'fix' that, it's far bigger than one Dak Prescott.

But what I did was a quick crunching of some numbers between Dak and his closest contemporaries, Jared Goff, and Carson Wentz. Rather than focusing on Dak asking for 'Russell Wilson money', let's take a look at what he would cost the Cowboys vs what his contemporaries are costing their teams. There's not a fairer comparison out there.

So here are my quick numbers, cap guru's feel free to correct me if and where I'm wrong:

Jared Goff rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $49,677,990

Extension – 4 years - $134 million

Total = 8 years - $183,677,990


Carson Wentz rookie contract – 2016 – 2019 - $39,676,339

Extension – 4 years - $128 million

Total = 8 years -$167,676,339


Dak Prescott rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $4,903,172

Extension – 4 years - $140 million

Total = 8 years – $144,903.172

Reported $37 million a year figure - $148 million

Adjusted Maximum Total = 8 years – $152,903.172

So what we have are two final projections for Prescott, at the current 'Russel Wilson contract' numbers, or the highest end numbers at $37 million a year reported on that $5 year deal (kept to a 4-year comparison).

So, even if the team paid Prescott at the highest reported annual level, they would still ultimately have the better, more accomplished, more productive, healthier player at a huge discount.

$31 million cheaper than Jared Goff.

$15 million cheaper than Carson Wentz.

This certainly helps me to feel better about it, and I hope it does for some of you as well.

In short...……………..you are trying to educated the naïve, ignorant trolls how contracts work for franchise QB's.

Sadly for them, its not going to work.
 

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Wentz and Goff aren't particularly good. Their combination of mediocre talent and high contract will make it so their teams never compete for a superbowl while they are on their current contracts.

Saying Dak is a better value is like telling someone "congratulations, you are 2 inches taller than a midget!"

Not sure why anyone benchmarks those two franchise killers.
 

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There are really two ways to look at it.

1. The Front office and team agree that Dak is Elite and move forward and pay or they are convinced that he is not at the same level as Goff & Wentz and just move on. It is not going to get any cheaper.
2. What other options do we have?
-Dalton- If the coaching staff wants to roll with him and believe in his talent then move forward.
-Cam Newton- I would really go out and sign this guy. Whatever you want to say about him behavior.. I agree with you. I wont say But, instead And. He is a elite talent if he is healthy. We need to send a covert medical team to check him out like Miami did with Tua.
He is 30, or 31 which is not old by any measure. If his shoulder checks out, we can get him at a cheaper cost.
-Winston/Mariotta- Reclamation project... more Mariotta is the true reclamation.

Letting him explore FA early on was the right move, now you are stuck paying him the Franchise or long term contract.
You can roll the dice and hope the cap stays the same and have some unforseen leverage as I dont expect a covid free season.
Fans will be limited.

I know its more than 2 options... Lol
Cam Newton is not close to elite. He hasn't been good since 2015, and his game is purely dependent on him being able to run the ball. W/ age and injuries, his running days appear to be over.
 

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I'm trying to give my best 'Public Service Message' in an effort to assist in the division regarding our starting quarterback. I understand that many are upset in hearing the dollars being talked about in regard to his next contract. And while I understand it, I hope that people also understand that all entertainers are grossly overpaid! If we want to 'fix' that, it's far bigger than one Dak Prescott.

But what I did was a quick crunching of some numbers between Dak and his closest contemporaries, Jared Goff, and Carson Wentz. Rather than focusing on Dak asking for 'Russell Wilson money', let's take a look at what he would cost the Cowboys vs what his contemporaries are costing their teams. There's not a fairer comparison out there.

So here are my quick numbers, cap guru's feel free to correct me if and where I'm wrong:

Jared Goff rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $49,677,990

Extension – 4 years - $134 million

Total = 8 years - $183,677,990


Carson Wentz rookie contract – 2016 – 2019 - $39,676,339

Extension – 4 years - $128 million

Total = 8 years -$167,676,339


Dak Prescott rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $4,903,172

Extension – 4 years - $140 million

Total = 8 years – $144,903.172

Reported $37 million a year figure - $148 million

Adjusted Maximum Total = 8 years – $152,903.172

So what we have are two final projections for Prescott, at the current 'Russel Wilson contract' numbers, or the highest end numbers at $37 million a year reported on that $5 year deal (kept to a 4-year comparison).

So, even if the team paid Prescott at the highest reported annual level, they would still ultimately have the better, more accomplished, more productive, healthier player at a huge discount.

$31 million cheaper than Jared Goff.

$15 million cheaper than Carson Wentz.

This certainly helps me to feel better about it, and I hope it does for some of you as well.
While I see your point, I don't really think what was paid out under rookie contracts have, or even should have, any bearing on new contracts going forward.

I think you are right that Wentz and Goff are the guys to compare against, so for me the standard should be a contract in the same general ballpark of what they got, plus a little more because it is a year later and prices don't stagnate.

I'm not sure Dak doesn't see it the same way, but the extra year the Cowboys apparently want is what is throwing a monkey wrench into things.
 

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While I see your point, I don't really think what was paid out under rookie contracts have, or even should have, any bearing on new contracts going forward.

I'm not saying it should 'have a bearing' per say, as in being a makeup call to pay Dak more now or anything. But it's just an accounting list of what he has and what he might cost for the Cowboys compared to what the others have paid and are projected to pay.

I think you are right that Wentz and Goff are the guys to compare against, so for me the standard should be a contract in the same general ballpark of what they got, plus a little more because it is a year later and prices don't stagnate.

Best comps in my opinion, yes.

I'm not sure Dak doesn't see it the same way, but the extra year the Cowboys apparently want is what is throwing a monkey wrench into things.

Yeah, they should just drop the year and get the four year deal done already. Before Watson and the Texans reset the market and screw up the numbers even worse.
 

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Nice try but money isn’t the primary reason people hate Dak Prescott. It’s just their current excuse because it makes the haters appear to be objective. There is a personal reason they hate Prescott, many just aren’t honest enough to admit what that reason is.
I believe it’s because of the Romo loyalists. They’ll never forgive Jerry and Prescott for taking over for Tony. And that’s being kind
 

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I'm trying to give my best 'Public Service Message' in an effort to assist in the division regarding our starting quarterback. I understand that many are upset in hearing the dollars being talked about in regard to his next contract. And while I understand it, I hope that people also understand that all entertainers are grossly overpaid! If we want to 'fix' that, it's far bigger than one Dak Prescott.

But what I did was a quick crunching of some numbers between Dak and his closest contemporaries, Jared Goff, and Carson Wentz. Rather than focusing on Dak asking for 'Russell Wilson money', let's take a look at what he would cost the Cowboys vs what his contemporaries are costing their teams. There's not a fairer comparison out there.

So here are my quick numbers, cap guru's feel free to correct me if and where I'm wrong:

Jared Goff rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $49,677,990

Extension – 4 years - $134 million

Total = 8 years - $183,677,990


Carson Wentz rookie contract – 2016 – 2019 - $39,676,339

Extension – 4 years - $128 million

Total = 8 years -$167,676,339


Dak Prescott rookie contract – 2016-2019 - $4,903,172

Extension – 4 years - $140 million

Total = 8 years – $144,903.172

Reported $37 million a year figure - $148 million

Adjusted Maximum Total = 8 years – $152,903.172

So what we have are two final projections for Prescott, at the current 'Russel Wilson contract' numbers, or the highest end numbers at $37 million a year reported on that $5 year deal (kept to a 4-year comparison).

So, even if the team paid Prescott at the highest reported annual level, they would still ultimately have the better, more accomplished, more productive, healthier player at a huge discount.

$31 million cheaper than Jared Goff.

$15 million cheaper than Carson Wentz.

This certainly helps me to feel better about it, and I hope it does for some of you as well.


His original contract has zero to do with his new contract.
 

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It might give us the best chance to win this year depending on how they use the money, but then you would in all likelihood have to pay Dalton (or another lesser qb) $30 million+ the following year or roll with Dinucci.

True. It only maximizes the result for this year.

But if they'd even consider that, they should first go back to Dalton and see if he'd give them an option for future years. He can get a big fat roster bonus just like a signing bonus. Ask him what money he'd be happy with after a good year starting here.

We don't use the leverage of possibly starting enough in contract negotiations. Players want to showcase their talents in a contract year, then move on. But why should we showcase a player who has no future with us? It's a win-win for them to get the chance, and us to get them under contract if the chance pans out.
 
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