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Video: Shannon Sharpe: "Dak Prescott is a better QB now than as a rookie"
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I think it's just wishful thinking that a big contract for Dak will cripple the Cowboys and that he is a scrub. His play on the field debunks that argument. I may not be thrilled about Dak being one of the highest paid QBs myself when he hasn't won a super bowl, but the market says Dak is worth at least 30 million a season, but probably ends up getting 34 to 35 million. An extra 4 to 5 million a season isn't crippling. However, knowing I have a capable backup I wouldn't feel pressured to cave in his contract demands.
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Shannon will get criticized here, but it doesn't sound like he's trying to state the obvious, but just responding to those who think that Dak has regressed because the Cowboys' record has.
I agree that Dak's made great strides. Right now I think he's just trying to find that balance between managing the game and taking risks down the field. Ultimately, Dak seems to be a lot of the player Dallas drafted in the first place. A "project" (more so than a first round QB with superior arm talent to bail them out), not a finished product. If you look at his pre-draft weaknesses, a lot of it sounds familiar.
"Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions."
^^^Easy to see how that infamous Atlanta game really derailed his development, isn't it? But luckily, after that minor detour, I think he's back on track. I mean honestly, after watching his conservative style of play his first 2-3 seasons, who imagined he'd be a 4,900 yard passer in his 4th?
I agree that Dak's made great strides. Right now I think he's just trying to find that balance between managing the game and taking risks down the field. Ultimately, Dak seems to be a lot of the player Dallas drafted in the first place. A "project" (more so than a first round QB with superior arm talent to bail them out), not a finished product. If you look at his pre-draft weaknesses, a lot of it sounds familiar.
"Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions."
^^^Easy to see how that infamous Atlanta game really derailed his development, isn't it? But luckily, after that minor detour, I think he's back on track. I mean honestly, after watching his conservative style of play his first 2-3 seasons, who imagined he'd be a 4,900 yard passer in his 4th?
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In other words you have no argument as to why we are winning less games per season and the trend has gone downwards the last 4 seasons (unless of course you want to make excuses for Dak). You see as long as i hear Dak has a 40-24 record as a starter being quoted to me by Dak supporers, then the amount of wins per season trending downward should also be on Dak, you can't have it both ways if you give him credit for the wins then he gets credit for the losses
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I never use wins to discuss Dak’s worth. Wins and losses are a team stat. You’re projecting your lame arguments with other posters on to me. That’s not my problem that’s your problem.
Dak has clearly improved since his rookie season. The overall team has NOT improved since his rookie season. That’s why the wins have gone down.
There are a lot of factors that go into wins and losses beside QB play. That’s why solely looking at wins and losses when the topic of the thread is Dak’s improvement is a stupid argument.
Just watch him play. His improvement since being a rookie is clear as day. Anybody who watches football should be able to see it quite easily.
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I didn't say you but most everyone else does. He has gotten better but he's hit his ceiling and whether you want to admit it to yourself or not he s not going to get any better. Last year was a career year for him (padded with some garbage time stats and a very hot start against 3 horrible teams) i expect he will regress back to what he was in years 2-3 next season. Just my opinion
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And that’s meaningless to me. Hence why, bringing up team wins and losses in a thread about Dak’s improvement since being a rookie, is dumb.
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There are no Dak haters just Cowboy lovers!!!
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If it's so dumb and meaningless to you, why are you bothering to come in here and comment on it? It must bother you to some extent
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I’m not sure I believe this is true. I’m wondering if we are confusing improved with evolved. Has Dak evolved? Yes. Does that make him a better QB? I’m not so sure. See, I remember his rookie season and I remember having 100% confidence on every 3rd down that Dak would find a way to move the chains. Then I think back to last year and remember being more like 50/50 with him on 3rd downs wondering why he would throw a low % pass when he had plenty of room to run for the 1st down. Is he better at standing in the pocket and reading defenses? I guess so but is that really what made him look like a special player as a rookie? I’m leaning towards thinking his evolution as a more complete QB has reduced his overall effectiveness over an entire 4 quarters. I’m sure someone will put up his stats from last year and I get that but I just can’t get past the confidence I had in him as a rookie compared to the diminishing confidence I’ve had in him since. I liked the way he played as a rookie more. I would love to see him add some of it back to his current game but he has probably made a business decision not to be that guy anymore.
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No pressure as a rookie, there are expectations now!
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Yeah, nobody expects anything from the guy replacing a Pro Bowl starter on the Dallas Cowboys, excellent point my dude, can't see any pressure there.
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I always thought that those other ten guys that walked on the field with him had some type of involvement with the outcome of the game but then I remembered. Their purpose is be there and receive the credit when the Cowboys win. They are that great talented team that Jerry surrounded Dak with.
Of course, when the Cowboys lose, it's Dak's fault.
Dak had more 300 yard games last season than the previous three seasons combined.
Dak had more 400 yard games last season than the previous three seasons combined.
Dak's passinng yardage last season was one yard shy of the Cowboy record held by Romo.
Dak's number of passing TD's last season marked only the 5th time in Cowboy history a QB threw for 30 or more passing TD's.
Doesn't seem like regression to me.
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None as a rookie because he wasn't expected to be a starter and had nothing to lose, he was a 4th round comp pick, if you don't get that you don't understand sports
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I get that. I think in my mind I always chalked it up to him being hungry and wanting to keep the job. Once he got it for good, that hunger to succeed on every play seemed to diminish and change into what do I need to do now to get paid. Just my feelings which don’t really matter at all.
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The front office did screw up. He should have been resigned years ago. If they offered him 28-30 per year 2 years ago he would have resigned. Cowboys front office sat on their hands and kicked the can down the road and now they will have to pay for it. Cowboys have so little leverage at this point. And we all know they will cave in the end just like they did with Zeke. Just get the deal done already so Dak can learn the new system. Or I better start hearing rumors that Dak is on the trade block.
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But see that’s my question. Who was the better QB? The guy with no pressure busting his balls to succeed on every play and clawing his way to 13-3 or the guy making the business decision to stop playing that way because he has too much money to lose. Of course he is better at some things but at the expense of other things which make me question whether or not he truly is better now than he was as a rookie. The passing stats are better but the results are not. I’m hoping the coaching change will help with that.