Recap: JJT: Whispers from the Star (5/22)

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Hey, folks! The boys were off last Friday, but were back at it today. Link to come later once it's available. Here is a recap of the three topics that were discussed:

1. JJT checked in with his sources to get a quick update on Dak. Said he got some laughing emojis from a team source when he asked about the reports that he was seeking 45M in Year 5 of a possible contract. Mentioned three things that he learned from sources. The first was that Dak simply isn't taking a 5 year deal. Why isn't he taking a 5 year deal? Aaron, Russell, and Tannehill got 4 year deals and Wentz and Goff got 4 year extensions. Once teams make that leap and set precedents, it becomes a new reality, and one that the Cowboys will eventually have to accept, if Dak is in fact their guy. JJT couldn't even think of a number high enough that Dak would accept on a 5 year deal. It would simply be out of Jerry's price range.The second thing is Dak has not been offered 35M at all, despite reports surfacing over the last few months that he has. JJT's sources indicate that he's been offered slightly less, but it would still make him the second highest paid QB in the league. And the third thing JJT mentions is that the two sides have not had any contact since late March, possibly early April. JJT noted a few months ago that some of his sources told him that Dak and Jerry could get this deal done in a half hour if Dak walked into Jerry's office and they hammered it out. But since Dak and his agent are playing hardball at the moment, these type of negotiations tend to drag themselves out. Especially since this is just as important of a deal for Todd France as it is for Dak Prescott. JJT suspects that the two sides will engage in talks again in July, right before the deadline. Hasn't been much movement on the Dak front, otherwise.

2. JJT got into some talk here about the pass rush, as we all know it's been suspect. There have been a lot of discussions about Jaylon Smith rushing the QB more, but there are a lot of unknowns there so far since the guys haven't taken the field yet. Jaylon did play down at Notre Dame quite a bit though, so he could be valuable in a role where he's more of a pass rusher because he's already proved to be an effective blitzer in the NFL. It's really Mike Nolan's job to figure out Jaylon. Said Aldon Smith will likely play a Dee Ford type role coming off the edge and rushing the passer, but not dropping into coverage. Aldon's last year in the league he only got 3.5 sacks, but pressured the QB 30 times. Randy Gregory produced similar numbers in 2018, but with about twice as many sacks. If you can get those two guys to achieve only their floor, those are solid rotational players with extremely minimal cost. In 2020, we have got to find a way to improve our pass rush because Marinelli's vanilla scheme did not bring out the best in our pass rush because we were constantly only rushing 4. Under the Marinelli tutelage, we never finished higher than 13th in the league in sacks (and that year we only had 36). The highest amount of sacks we ever recorded were 39. We finished 15, 13, 18, 21, and 26 sacks away from the NFL leader. Nolan, Tomsula, McCurley, and even McCarthy have got to figure out ways to be more aggressive and get after the QB. I think sending Marinelli and Richard on their merry way was a good start.

3. Quick note at the end here. JJT spoke to a source close to the Jamal Adams debacle. Said the source told him that he "can't figure out what the hell the Jets are doing" with Jamal. He's too valuable both as a player and as a leader on that Jets defense to piss off and make him not want to play for you. The source did indicate that the number one team that Jamal Adams would absolutely want to play for first though is in fact the Dallas Cowboys. "Put that in your pipe and smoke it."

And that's all I got folks! Enjoy the long holiday weekend and remember why we recognize it.

Cheers!

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#1 is annoying from Dak's perspective and why I don't have much sympathy here for him in this fight. Yes, Wentz and Goff got 4 year extensions. Wilson got a 4 year extension. Rodgers got a four year extension. But those "extensions" were tacked onto existing deals and for all intents and purposes resulted in a new 5 year deal for Wilson and 6 year deals for Wentz and Goff. Rodgers extension also ended up essentially being a 6 year contract. Tannehill is the only one that signed a true 4 year contract but this is like his 3rd or 4th contract.

It's totally disingenuous for the Prescott camp to pretend that these guys signed 4 year deals that will get them new contracts in 4 years. This is where the Dak camp loses me. Don't scream precedent but then mangle the crap out of what actually is precedent.

On #2 what does he mean when he says Smith played "down" a lot at ND? That he played with his hand on the ground a lot?
 
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Hey, folks! The boys were off last Friday, but were back at it today. Link to come later once it's available. Here is a recap of the three topics that were discussed:

1. JJT checked in with his sources to get a quick update on Dak. Said he got some laughing emojis from a team source when he asked about the reports that he was seeking 45M in Year 5 of a possible contract. Mentioned three things that he learned from sources. The first was that Dak simply isn't taking a 5 year deal. Why isn't he taking a 5 year deal? Aaron, Russell, and Tannehill got 4 year deals and Wentz and Goff got 4 year extensions. Once teams make that leap and set precedents, it becomes a new reality, and one that the Cowboys will eventually have to accept, if Dak is in fact their guy. JJT couldn't even think of a number high enough that Dak would accept on a 5 year deal. It would simply be out of Jerry's price range.The second thing is Dak has not been offered 35M at all, despite reports surfacing over the last few months that he has. JJT's sources indicate that he's been offered slightly less, but it would still make him the second highest paid QB in the league. And the third thing JJT mentions is that the two sides have not had any contact since late March, possibly early April. JJT noted a few months ago that some of his sources told him that Dak and Jerry could get this deal done in a half hour if Dak walked into Jerry's office and they hammered it out. But since Dak and his agent are playing hardball at the moment, these type of negotiations tend to drag themselves out. Especially since this is just as important of a deal for Todd France as it is for Dak Prescott. JJT suspects that the two sides will engage in talks again in July, right before the deadline. Hasn't been much movement on the Dak front, otherwise.

2. JJT got into some talk here about the pass rush, as we all know it's been suspect. There have been a lot of discussions about Jaylon Smith rushing the QB more, but there are a lot of unknowns there so far since the guys haven't taken the field yet. Jaylon did play down at Notre Dame quite a bit though, so he could be valuable in a role where he's more of a pass rusher because he's already proved to be an effective blitzer in the NFL. It's really Mike Nolan's job to figure out Jaylon. Said Aldon Smith will likely play a Dee Ford type role coming off the edge and rushing the passer, but not dropping into coverage. Aldon's last year in the league he only got 3.5 sacks, but pressured the QB 30 times. Randy Gregory produced similar numbers in 2018, but with about twice as many sacks. If you can get those two guys to achieve only their floor, those are solid rotational players with extremely minimal cost. In 2020, we have got to find a way to improve our pass rush because Marinelli's vanilla scheme did not bring out the best in our pass rush because we were constantly only rushing 4. Under the Marinelli tutelage, we never finished higher than 13th in the league in sacks (and that year we only had 36). The highest amount of sacks we ever recorded were 39. We finished 15, 13, 18, 21, and 26 sacks away from the NFL leader. Nolan, Tomsula, McCurley, and even McCarthy have got to figure out ways to be more aggressive and get after the QB. I think sending Marinelli and Richard on their merry way was a good start.

3. Quick note at the end here. JJT spoke to a source close to the Jamal Adams debacle. Said the source told him that he "can't figure out what the hell the Jets are doing" with Jamal. He's too valuable both as a player and as a leader on that Jets defense to piss off and make him not want to play for you. The source did indicate that the number one team that Jamal Adams would absolutely want to play for first though is in fact the Dallas Cowboys. "Put that in your pipe and smoke it."

And that's all I got folks! Enjoy the long holiday weekend and remember why we recognize it.

Cheers!

:starspin:

Thanks as always for taking the time and making the effort. You're a good dude. Enjoy your holiday weekend as well.
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It would be nice if you told people what the heck JJT stands for.. one of my friends thinks it stands for Jerry Jones talk.
 

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We don't really know if that's the issue at stake for Dak and the FO, but it's a ploy by his agent. Wonder if Dak and Stephen are gonna play chicken?!
 

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Hey, folks! The boys were off last Friday, but were back at it today. Link to come later once it's available. Here is a recap of the three topics that were discussed:

1. JJT checked in with his sources to get a quick update on Dak. Said he got some laughing emojis from a team source when he asked about the reports that he was seeking 45M in Year 5 of a possible contract. Mentioned three things that he learned from sources. The first was that Dak simply isn't taking a 5 year deal. Why isn't he taking a 5 year deal? Aaron, Russell, and Tannehill got 4 year deals and Wentz and Goff got 4 year extensions. Once teams make that leap and set precedents, it becomes a new reality, and one that the Cowboys will eventually have to accept, if Dak is in fact their guy. JJT couldn't even think of a number high enough that Dak would accept on a 5 year deal. It would simply be out of Jerry's price range.The second thing is Dak has not been offered 35M at all, despite reports surfacing over the last few months that he has. JJT's sources indicate that he's been offered slightly less, but it would still make him the second highest paid QB in the league. And the third thing JJT mentions is that the two sides have not had any contact since late March, possibly early April. JJT noted a few months ago that some of his sources told him that Dak and Jerry could get this deal done in a half hour if Dak walked into Jerry's office and they hammered it out. But since Dak and his agent are playing hardball at the moment, these type of negotiations tend to drag themselves out. Especially since this is just as important of a deal for Todd France as it is for Dak Prescott. JJT suspects that the two sides will engage in talks again in July, right before the deadline. Hasn't been much movement on the Dak front, otherwise.

2. JJT got into some talk here about the pass rush, as we all know it's been suspect. There have been a lot of discussions about Jaylon Smith rushing the QB more, but there are a lot of unknowns there so far since the guys haven't taken the field yet. Jaylon did play down at Notre Dame quite a bit though, so he could be valuable in a role where he's more of a pass rusher because he's already proved to be an effective blitzer in the NFL. It's really Mike Nolan's job to figure out Jaylon. Said Aldon Smith will likely play a Dee Ford type role coming off the edge and rushing the passer, but not dropping into coverage. Aldon's last year in the league he only got 3.5 sacks, but pressured the QB 30 times. Randy Gregory produced similar numbers in 2018, but with about twice as many sacks. If you can get those two guys to achieve only their floor, those are solid rotational players with extremely minimal cost. In 2020, we have got to find a way to improve our pass rush because Marinelli's vanilla scheme did not bring out the best in our pass rush because we were constantly only rushing 4. Under the Marinelli tutelage, we never finished higher than 13th in the league in sacks (and that year we only had 36). The highest amount of sacks we ever recorded were 39. We finished 15, 13, 18, 21, and 26 sacks away from the NFL leader. Nolan, Tomsula, McCurley, and even McCarthy have got to figure out ways to be more aggressive and get after the QB. I think sending Marinelli and Richard on their merry way was a good start.

3. Quick note at the end here. JJT spoke to a source close to the Jamal Adams debacle. Said the source told him that he "can't figure out what the hell the Jets are doing" with Jamal. He's too valuable both as a player and as a leader on that Jets defense to piss off and make him not want to play for you. The source did indicate that the number one team that Jamal Adams would absolutely want to play for first though is in fact the Dallas Cowboys. "Put that in your pipe and smoke it."

And that's all I got folks! Enjoy the long holiday weekend and remember why we recognize it.

Cheers!

:starspin:

  1. Just do the four year deal already guys. And get it done before the Texans screw up the quarterback pay market with Watson just like they did with Laremy Tunsil.
  2. Jaylon's a strongside linebacker who should be going forward as much as possible and backwards as least as possible. I think Smith is going to be a pleasant surprise for us. And just based off on being unpredictable, the defense will be improved over Marinelli's paint-by-numbers crap.
  3. On the Adams deal, I'd offer only a 1st round pick and make sure that I knew that the cap was going up significantly and I knew I could afford that huge new contract.
 

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  1. Just do the four year deal already guys. And get it done before the Texans screw up the quarterback pay market with Watson just like they did with Laremy Tunsil.
  2. Jaylon's a strongside linebacker who should be going forward as much as possible and backwards as least as possible. I think Smith is going to be a pleasant surprise for us. And just based off on being unpredictable, the defense will be improved over Marinelli's paint-by-numbers crap.
  3. On the Adams deal, I'd offer only a 1st round pick and make sure that I knew that the cap was going up significantly and I knew I could afford that huge new contract.

Why did you change your stance on Adams?
 

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Hey, folks! The boys were off last Friday, but were back at it today. Link to come later once it's available. Here is a recap of the three topics that were discussed:

1. JJT checked in with his sources to get a quick update on Dak. Said he got some laughing emojis from a team source when he asked about the reports that he was seeking 45M in Year 5 of a possible contract. Mentioned three things that he learned from sources. The first was that Dak simply isn't taking a 5 year deal. Why isn't he taking a 5 year deal? Aaron, Russell, and Tannehill got 4 year deals and Wentz and Goff got 4 year extensions. Once teams make that leap and set precedents, it becomes a new reality, and one that the Cowboys will eventually have to accept, if Dak is in fact their guy. JJT couldn't even think of a number high enough that Dak would accept on a 5 year deal. It would simply be out of Jerry's price range.The second thing is Dak has not been offered 35M at all, despite reports surfacing over the last few months that he has. JJT's sources indicate that he's been offered slightly less, but it would still make him the second highest paid QB in the league. And the third thing JJT mentions is that the two sides have not had any contact since late March, possibly early April. JJT noted a few months ago that some of his sources told him that Dak and Jerry could get this deal done in a half hour if Dak walked into Jerry's office and they hammered it out. But since Dak and his agent are playing hardball at the moment, these type of negotiations tend to drag themselves out. Especially since this is just as important of a deal for Todd France as it is for Dak Prescott. JJT suspects that the two sides will engage in talks again in July, right before the deadline. Hasn't been much movement on the Dak front, otherwise.

2. JJT got into some talk here about the pass rush, as we all know it's been suspect. There have been a lot of discussions about Jaylon Smith rushing the QB more, but there are a lot of unknowns there so far since the guys haven't taken the field yet. Jaylon did play down at Notre Dame quite a bit though, so he could be valuable in a role where he's more of a pass rusher because he's already proved to be an effective blitzer in the NFL. It's really Mike Nolan's job to figure out Jaylon. Said Aldon Smith will likely play a Dee Ford type role coming off the edge and rushing the passer, but not dropping into coverage. Aldon's last year in the league he only got 3.5 sacks, but pressured the QB 30 times. Randy Gregory produced similar numbers in 2018, but with about twice as many sacks. If you can get those two guys to achieve only their floor, those are solid rotational players with extremely minimal cost. In 2020, we have got to find a way to improve our pass rush because Marinelli's vanilla scheme did not bring out the best in our pass rush because we were constantly only rushing 4. Under the Marinelli tutelage, we never finished higher than 13th in the league in sacks (and that year we only had 36). The highest amount of sacks we ever recorded were 39. We finished 15, 13, 18, 21, and 26 sacks away from the NFL leader. Nolan, Tomsula, McCurley, and even McCarthy have got to figure out ways to be more aggressive and get after the QB. I think sending Marinelli and Richard on their merry way was a good start.

3. Quick note at the end here. JJT spoke to a source close to the Jamal Adams debacle. Said the source told him that he "can't figure out what the hell the Jets are doing" with Jamal. He's too valuable both as a player and as a leader on that Jets defense to piss off and make him not want to play for you. The source did indicate that the number one team that Jamal Adams would absolutely want to play for first though is in fact the Dallas Cowboys. "Put that in your pipe and smoke it."

And that's all I got folks! Enjoy the long holiday weekend and remember why we recognize it.

Cheers!

:starspin:

Astounding how you can format the details from Whispers from the Star segment ...so very fast. !

Mucho Appreciate for your usual WFTS post and your extensive details on this latest (and all) segments. :flagwave:
 

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#1 is annoying from Dak's perspective and why I don't have much sympathy here for him in this fight. Yes, Wentz and Goff got 4 year extensions. Wilson got a 4 year extension. Rodgers got a four year extension. But those "extensions" were tacked onto existing deals and for all intents and purposes resulted in a new 5 year deal for Wilson and 6 year deals for Wentz and Goff. Rodgers extension also ended up essentially being a 6 year contract. Tannehill is the only one that signed a true 4 year contract but this is like his 3rd or 4th contract.

It's totally disingenuous for the Prescott camp to pretend that these guys signed 4 year deals that will get them new contracts in 4 years. This is where the Dak camp loses me. Don't scream precedent but then mangle the crap out of what actually is precedent.

On #2 what does he mean when he says Smith played "down" a lot at ND? That he played with his hand on the ground a lot?

means Jaylon was in a 3 point stance, with his hand on the ground. Like a DE ..hand on the ground like a DLaw.

:rolleyes:

 

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Hey, folks! The boys were off last Friday, but were back at it today. Link to come later once it's available. Here is a recap of the three topics that were discussed:

1. JJT checked in with his sources to get a quick update on Dak. Said he got some laughing emojis from a team source when he asked about the reports that he was seeking 45M in Year 5 of a possible contract. Mentioned three things that he learned from sources. The first was that Dak simply isn't taking a 5 year deal. Why isn't he taking a 5 year deal? Aaron, Russell, and Tannehill got 4 year deals and Wentz and Goff got 4 year extensions. Once teams make that leap and set precedents, it becomes a new reality, and one that the Cowboys will eventually have to accept, if Dak is in fact their guy. JJT couldn't even think of a number high enough that Dak would accept on a 5 year deal. It would simply be out of Jerry's price range.The second thing is Dak has not been offered 35M at all, despite reports surfacing over the last few months that he has. JJT's sources indicate that he's been offered slightly less, but it would still make him the second highest paid QB in the league. And the third thing JJT mentions is that the two sides have not had any contact since late March, possibly early April. JJT noted a few months ago that some of his sources told him that Dak and Jerry could get this deal done in a half hour if Dak walked into Jerry's office and they hammered it out. But since Dak and his agent are playing hardball at the moment, these type of negotiations tend to drag themselves out. Especially since this is just as important of a deal for Todd France as it is for Dak Prescott. JJT suspects that the two sides will engage in talks again in July, right before the deadline. Hasn't been much movement on the Dak front, otherwise.

2. JJT got into some talk here about the pass rush, as we all know it's been suspect. There have been a lot of discussions about Jaylon Smith rushing the QB more, but there are a lot of unknowns there so far since the guys haven't taken the field yet. Jaylon did play down at Notre Dame quite a bit though, so he could be valuable in a role where he's more of a pass rusher because he's already proved to be an effective blitzer in the NFL. It's really Mike Nolan's job to figure out Jaylon. Said Aldon Smith will likely play a Dee Ford type role coming off the edge and rushing the passer, but not dropping into coverage. Aldon's last year in the league he only got 3.5 sacks, but pressured the QB 30 times. Randy Gregory produced similar numbers in 2018, but with about twice as many sacks. If you can get those two guys to achieve only their floor, those are solid rotational players with extremely minimal cost. In 2020, we have got to find a way to improve our pass rush because Marinelli's vanilla scheme did not bring out the best in our pass rush because we were constantly only rushing 4. Under the Marinelli tutelage, we never finished higher than 13th in the league in sacks (and that year we only had 36). The highest amount of sacks we ever recorded were 39. We finished 15, 13, 18, 21, and 26 sacks away from the NFL leader. Nolan, Tomsula, McCurley, and even McCarthy have got to figure out ways to be more aggressive and get after the QB. I think sending Marinelli and Richard on their merry way was a good start.

3. Quick note at the end here. JJT spoke to a source close to the Jamal Adams debacle. Said the source told him that he "can't figure out what the hell the Jets are doing" with Jamal. He's too valuable both as a player and as a leader on that Jets defense to piss off and make him not want to play for you. The source did indicate that the number one team that Jamal Adams would absolutely want to play for first though is in fact the Dallas Cowboys. "Put that in your pipe and smoke it."

And that's all I got folks! Enjoy the long holiday weekend and remember why we recognize it.

Cheers!

:starspin:
Thank you
Much appreciate the breakdown
Can’t stand actually listening to it lol
 

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enough that Dak would accept on a 5 year deal. It would simply be out of Jerry's price range.The second thing is Dak has not been offered 35M at all, despite reports surfacing over the last few months that he has. JJT's sources indicate that he's been offered slightly less, but it would still make him the second highest paid QB in the league

This is consistent with what Dak has said all along in that he didn't expect to be paid more than Wilson w/o a ring.
 

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means Jaylon was in a 3 point stance, with his hand on the ground. Like a DE ..hand on the ground like a DLaw.

:rolleyes:


there was only one snap of him with his hand on the ground in a game in that video. He simply did not play with his hand on the ground like a DE much at all while at ND. He obviously did some drills in practice, but it wasn't commonplace in games.
 

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Hey, folks! The boys were off last Friday, but were back at it today. Link to come later once it's available. Here is a recap of the three topics that were discussed:

1. JJT checked in with his sources to get a quick update on Dak. Said he got some laughing emojis from a team source when he asked about the reports that he was seeking 45M in Year 5 of a possible contract. Mentioned three things that he learned from sources. The first was that Dak simply isn't taking a 5 year deal. Why isn't he taking a 5 year deal? Aaron, Russell, and Tannehill got 4 year deals and Wentz and Goff got 4 year extensions. Once teams make that leap and set precedents, it becomes a new reality, and one that the Cowboys will eventually have to accept, if Dak is in fact their guy. JJT couldn't even think of a number high enough that Dak would accept on a 5 year deal. It would simply be out of Jerry's price range.The second thing is Dak has not been offered 35M at all, despite reports surfacing over the last few months that he has. JJT's sources indicate that he's been offered slightly less, but it would still make him the second highest paid QB in the league. And the third thing JJT mentions is that the two sides have not had any contact since late March, possibly early April. JJT noted a few months ago that some of his sources told him that Dak and Jerry could get this deal done in a half hour if Dak walked into Jerry's office and they hammered it out. But since Dak and his agent are playing hardball at the moment, these type of negotiations tend to drag themselves out. Especially since this is just as important of a deal for Todd France as it is for Dak Prescott. JJT suspects that the two sides will engage in talks again in July, right before the deadline. Hasn't been much movement on the Dak front, otherwise.

2. JJT got into some talk here about the pass rush, as we all know it's been suspect. There have been a lot of discussions about Jaylon Smith rushing the QB more, but there are a lot of unknowns there so far since the guys haven't taken the field yet. Jaylon did play down at Notre Dame quite a bit though, so he could be valuable in a role where he's more of a pass rusher because he's already proved to be an effective blitzer in the NFL. It's really Mike Nolan's job to figure out Jaylon. Said Aldon Smith will likely play a Dee Ford type role coming off the edge and rushing the passer, but not dropping into coverage. Aldon's last year in the league he only got 3.5 sacks, but pressured the QB 30 times. Randy Gregory produced similar numbers in 2018, but with about twice as many sacks. If you can get those two guys to achieve only their floor, those are solid rotational players with extremely minimal cost. In 2020, we have got to find a way to improve our pass rush because Marinelli's vanilla scheme did not bring out the best in our pass rush because we were constantly only rushing 4. Under the Marinelli tutelage, we never finished higher than 13th in the league in sacks (and that year we only had 36). The highest amount of sacks we ever recorded were 39. We finished 15, 13, 18, 21, and 26 sacks away from the NFL leader. Nolan, Tomsula, McCurley, and even McCarthy have got to figure out ways to be more aggressive and get after the QB. I think sending Marinelli and Richard on their merry way was a good start.

3. Quick note at the end here. JJT spoke to a source close to the Jamal Adams debacle. Said the source told him that he "can't figure out what the hell the Jets are doing" with Jamal. He's too valuable both as a player and as a leader on that Jets defense to piss off and make him not want to play for you. The source did indicate that the number one team that Jamal Adams would absolutely want to play for first though is in fact the Dallas Cowboys. "Put that in your pipe and smoke it."

And that's all I got folks! Enjoy the long holiday weekend and remember why we recognize it.

Cheers!

:starspin:

Thank you for your efforts here.
 

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means Jaylon was in a 3 point stance, with his hand on the ground. Like a DE ..hand on the ground like a DLaw.

:rolleyes:



LOL. A majority of that video of him rushing from a three point stance were from practice scrimmages. As a ND grad, I can tell you that he didn't rush the passer in games with his hand on the ground "a lot" as JJT states (or his source states).
 
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