News: Dak’s performance without Zeke

aria said:

Ahhhh...I believe Roy is a Zeke hater as well but some of his posts are ridiculously irrational, finely had to block him. This is one zeke argument I don’t get into nor do I have stats because I think there are too many variables. I’m sure someone could pull some stats that show Dak is better with Zeke or vice versa.

It’s way too situational. Who are we playing? What’s the score? What quarter is it? What kind of play is it? You would have to break all of this down, and more, to convince me one way or the other. If I were to have to guess, I don’t think Zeke’s presence has near as much influence on Daks play as some would have us believe. A little bit of a difference? Yes but not a mega difference. Again, way too many factors at play here.

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PoetTree said:

None of these stats are relevant with a new coach & system.

Get back to me in another 4 years, should the McCarthy era last that long...

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Nav22 said:

“How does it compare to other QBs?”

Here you go, this was in my OP:

Prescott’s performance out of empty sets has been better than good -- his 83.2 Total QBR ranks fourth among qualified quarterbacks (behind Mahomes, Lamar Jackson and Andrew Luck).

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Northern_Cowboy said:

Dak has played 6 games without Zeke (not counting a meaninless game at the end of the 2016 season when the team sat Zeke).
Dak is 3-3 in those games is his QBR is as follows for each game

46
15
18
59
88
63

Not exactly tearing it up without him .

Now Don't make me post stats for how the team does when Zeke is held in check they are worse. Zeke is the engine that makes the team run, not Dak been that way for 4 years and it will be that way this season too

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Cowboy Lover said:

Okay..sorry I missed it. I guess I'll have to look up the ACTUAL numbers myself to see what the SD is.

However...I STILL have another question for you since you are the OP. Wouldn't the QB rating NATURALLY be greater without the RB in? QB doesn't get a rating for handing it off, right? But on an obvious passing down...QB should be piling up stats!

I feel this is a meaningless stat.

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doomsday9084 said:

What a relatively large percentage of the fanbase is looking for is a gunslinger in a top QB. A guy who is going to win shootouts with his arm in back and forth battles. That isn't Dak, at least so far. Dak has a lot of positive qualities in his durability, leadership, ability to avoid dumb throws, etc. OTOH, when he gets into a shootout, its just not his thing.

A very distinct number of his wins are ones where the whole team grinds the opponent to dust and Dak plays a part in that. All of these topics about Dak are dancing around the same thing, IMHO.

If Parcells was still around, Dak would be his guy. He is such a prototypical Parcells quarterback and he does what Parcells wants a QB to do in order to win. He is not a Don Coryell quarterback.

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Northern_Cowboy said:

Dak has played 6 games without Zeke (not counting a meaninless game at the end of the 2016 season when the team sat Zeke).
Dak is 3-3 in those games is his QBR is as follows for each game

46
15
18
59
88
63

Not exactly tearing it up without him .

Now Don't make me post stats for how the team does when Zeke is held in check they are worse. Zeke is the engine that makes the team run, not Dak been that way for 4 years and it will be that way this season too

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Northern_Cowboy said:

Dak has played 6 games without Zeke (not counting a meaninless game at the end of the 2016 season when the team sat Zeke).
Dak is 3-3 in those games is his QBR is as follows for each game

46
15
18
59
88
63

Not exactly tearing it up without him .

Now Don't make me post stats for how the team does when Zeke is held in check they are worse. Zeke is the engine that makes the team run, not Dak been that way for 4 years and it will be that way this season too

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BigStar said:

Not really, Dak is rewarded from Zeke playing in those games. When he's not, he's .500 and all those purdy qbr ratings stats go out the window...that's very telling. The games he's not playing change the way defenses prepare for us and the effects on the defense as a result of Zeke running the ball. Give him Goff money for 4 years, think it's fair for both sides tbh.

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big dog cowboy said:

Withdraw the offer immediately. Let Dak play under the the tag.

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Nav22 said:

“How often does that happen?”

So let me get this straight...

Dak’s performance on EVERY SINGLE PLAY without Zeke over his 4-year career (including the 6-game sample size YOU brought up) are irrelevant....

But his performance during the 6-game sample size you brought up matter a great deal???

How does that make sense? You’re smarter than that, aren’t you?

And you ARE aware that Zeke doesn’t play every single snap, right?

Do better.
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It's an irrelevent stat because Zeke plays the majority of the snaps in any given game. As for Dak record when Zeke doesn't do well or is not playing that is very hard to dispute but if you would like to debate it i will be here just make sure you bring your best game because you will need it to try and make the argument you are trying to make

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Sevenup3000 said:

Dak is 4-3 without Zeke if we exclude 2016...

3-3 in 2017
1-0 in 2018
0-0 in 2019

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Cowboy Lover said:

Not surely we fully agree about Zeke "helping" Dak. And that is okay. I happen to think Dak has stayed so healthy IN PART thanks to Zeke's willingness to stick his head in the O=line blocking. That one or two extras seconds! And his "check downs" have been very reliable and fruitful for Dak.

Be that as it may...I may like the cut of your jib after all sir. I believe we are in vast agreement about using (and abusing) stats.

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Cowboy Lover said:

You see...this is what happens when you don't fully read something. I said I was in pretty much agreement with a lot of what you said. My question to you was clear and simple. And sincere. But you are so defensive and combative you missed it. I will try again, we'll go a bit slower for you.

If zeke is on the bench....MOST of the time it would be for clear passing downs. Yes SOMETIMES a breather but MOSTLY going into passing down sets. If we don;t agree on that then no need to continue.

Let's just say that is MOSTLY true. Why WOULDN'T a QB rating be naturally higher...as he MUST accumulate good QB stats for the team to succeed in the passing down.

This is NOT a criticism of you or Dak. Not sure why you are taking it that way, In fact I think it's a compliment that Dak is doing his job, doing what a QB is supposed to be doing. Other people are taking it as knock on Zeke. I don't see it that way. That's why I am asking you...how is this a knock on Zeke.....when it's really about Dak doing a good job.

Handing off to a RB doesn't give you the same QB rating as successful passing. Right?

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Northern_Cowboy said:

Ya that meaningless last game in 2018 should sure count as a win the Gainsts were playing out the season...all the while Zeke sat out the game...lmao

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Sevenup3000 said:

I mean Dak is terrible, right...Dak can't even find his way to the stadium without Zeke, right...so with Zeke out and much of the OL out...and with our defense giving up 30+ points to the Giants it was an opportunity for people like your ilk to be proven correct, right.

I bet you would cite that game endlessly (instead we get moronic posts about accuracy competition at the pro bowl) if Dak played poorly and/or lost.

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