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First. Point is kinda moot. Can you really see any way Jerry doesnt sign his prized fourth rounder?

Secondly, I've heard around here Garrett was awesome. After all, it's a "process" and how in the world is anyone supposed to build a team in only a decade? Not nearly enough time to have success.

He was nice enough to not ask the players to have to learn too much, or be accountable. All you've got to do is convince your boss you're a genius and let him undermine you repeatedly and pretend not to notice or care.

Tremendous coach, and I'm willing to thumb wrestle any of you over it!!
Uhhhhhh, ok....
 

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No, sir.

FACT: Romo would be seen on Regular Season off-days (Tuesdays) out and about in Los Angeles with that Hollywood limelight attention freak, Jessica Simpson. 2007 - 2009. Romo started dating Carrie Underwood ever since he got his first starting gig 1/3 of the way through the 2006 season and continued dating her into 2007 before he left her for Jessica Simpson. Romo started dating his current wife (and ex-Miss America), Candice Crawford, whose brother is also an American actor, as soon as he broke up with Jessica Simpson during 2009. What do all 3 have in common? All have direct ties to Hollywood. Romo went Hollywood since the day he got the starting gig in 2006, and he didn't stop. Full Hollywood. So many praised him for it even though he had accomplished nothing to help lead the Cowboys to any championship game whatsoever. What did that accomplish or lead the Cowboys to? You don't believe Romo's off-the-field Hollywood limelight seeking attention was a distraction? Time proved that it was.

You didn't see Roger Staubach, Danny White or Troy Aikman do that. They focused on their profession. Yes, Troy started dating Country music singer, Lorrie Morgan, back in 1993, but that was after he had led the team to a Super Bowl championship. Yes, they all appeared in commercials at one time or another throughout their careers (perks of being America's Team's QB), but none of them went Hollywood. Only Romo did. Who flies to Los Angeles and is seen partying in downtown LA with a bunch of Hollywood stars on an "off day" Regular Season Tuesday on a weekly basis? Answer: Romo. How many Super Bowl wins did he lead the Cowboys to? Answer: Zero. How many NFC Championship games did he lead the Cowboys to? Answer: Zero. But he going Hollywood had no correlation?

:huh::facepalm:

If Dak suddenly pulled the same crap, I would blast him for such a crazy decision, especially if you have yet to lead the Cowboys to any kind of championship game.

Right man. Fact: your go-to defense of Dak is always to attack Romo. You resort to it even when nobody else brings him up. :)
 

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Right man. Fact: your go-to defense of Dak is always to attack Romo. You resort to it even when nobody else brings him up. :)
Hey, I blast Dak for his mistakes as well. Right now Dak is being greedy (hence why he made an agent switch a year ago). $35 million per year is plenty enough. He would be the highest paid QB right now. Dak needs to quit his crap and sign already.
 

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I am in not blaming Dak for the team going 8-8. You should read my other posts before assuming what I am saying.

At the same time I also have no desire to pay a quarterback $30+ million dollars per year for 4-5 years who led an 8-8 team last season and one who only has one playoff win in four years.

If he wants to play for $25 per year, I could see that. If he wants to play on the franchise tag for $31 million this season, that is fine too. If he leads the team to the Championship game or higher, then I hope he gets an even bigger contract next year than he wants right now.

It's all about results. Romo did not get them. Dak has not gotten them so far. I hope the first quarterback who does for the Cowboys gets paid quite well. Until then ..

I did not assume anything. I posted your remarks which stood alone. Stating the best player on an 8-8 team isn't saying much lumps that player in with the rest of the team and results, perhaps ignoring factors that created the 8-8 to begin with. I'm not defending Dak here. I am making a point of what you said. And in light of the OP's opening comments, your first salvo in this thread actually changed the subject from the question he posed.

It seems you did exactly what you were trying to illustrate, save for the attacking another player. But you certainly did change the tact with the Dez comments.

There is an almost endless history of teams underachieving in this league. Teams with talent that just didn't get it done.

Dak may just be as lousy as some on this board say. On the other hand he may be a player about to break out and take this team over for a ride not seen in 25 years. And while this is a team sport, and team results tend to paint every player. My opinion is the 8-8 had more to do with issues other than the offensive skill players who were not injured.
 

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How many of you that work yourself up on either side of the Dak contract discussion really think it makes a difference? I hate Garrett and I was not shy about, even got benched a handful of times because of it. I saw it as fun banter and just used it to mess around. I think most of us here do the same with Dak. Will anyone step up and say that that they will renounce their fan hood if we sign or dont sign Dak? Any hardcore?
I think Pepe dog said it. If they sign dack he quit. Hell I made it through the Strike season. I think I can make it through this
 

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Our "best player" on an 8-8 team is not saying very much.
It is when you had Jason Garrett is the coach. Can’t judge any talent on this team until season under McCarthy
 

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in the grand scheme , we do not..

however when a player gets on the bad side of fan , that fan will not buy his gear and the stuff he markets..

Fans buy jerseys and go to games when they are super excited about certain players and great teams..

the divide on Dak has become larger and this about all we can effect is ticket and swag sales..

Il support the star 100% but not at games and not buying anything anymore until I see some progress..Ill watch on TV , well know most of us will ..
 

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yeah, go look at the dak lovers and see how they feel about Romo. hum.....
Hey I like Tony. But I also know that he failed when it mattered most. I like Prescott. He’s got a lot more years to go before the stories written. That’s the difference
 

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Hey, I blast Dak for his mistakes as well. Right now Dak is being greedy (hence why he made an agent switch a year ago). $35 million per year is plenty enough. He would be the highest paid QB right now. Dak needs to quit his crap and sign already.
What’s the difference when he signs. It’s going to get done and that’s all that matters
 

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Just so you know i wanted us to take dak as early as the 2nd round and told all friends family and co workers that if Romo gets hurt dak will take his spot. Did you complain when romo got his money? Because his extensions were priced with sb mvp qb money when he made his deals. Btw those arent stats those are analytics that tell the actual story using logic and stats not emotions

I complained about Romo getting that contract... I thought it was stupid, and I am one of the people that really liked Romo as QB.
Now, I think paying Dak this crazy contract is idiotic as well. There is no reason to keep making the same types of boneheaded mistakes.

Romo should have never gotten his crazy contract, and Dak should never get the one he wants.... two wrongs don't make a right.

Why repeat doing the same stupid thing again?

I don't care how much people love Dak... if they love the Cowboys more than that single player, they know this contract is stupid if we are talking about $35 to $45+ million...

I mean it makes no sense in any universe to pay him that. People do know this, they just don't want to say it because they think it makes them now look like they don't support Dak.

Do I think Dak can do well with the offense we have right now? Sure I do!

Do I think we can actually do better with another QB because of the ability to stack the defense even more?
Yes.... I 10000% think so.

The dude is not the next Brady, and he isn't Wilson, Brees, or Mahomes... and people know that. They will try and say he is, but they are just trying to convince themselves. They aren't convincing other people...

So why pay him that money? Why is he even asking for that type of money?

Why are people so in love with Dak, that they are actually cheering for him to get that type of money?

Like I said before, does this guy want to be a champion or just the highest paid QB? My view is, he wants to be the highest paid QB far more than a champion.
 

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I complained about Romo getting that contract... I thought it was stupid, and I am one of the people that really liked Romo as QB.
Now, I think paying Dak this crazy contract is idiotic as well. There is no reason to keep making the same types of boneheaded mistakes.

Romo should have never gotten his crazy contract, and Dak should never get the one he wants.... two wrongs don't make a right.

Why repeat doing the same stupid thing again?

I don't care how much people love Dak... if they love the Cowboys more than that single player, they know this contract is stupid if we are talking about $35 to $45+ million...

I mean it makes no sense in any universe to pay him that. People do know this, they just don't want to say it because they think it makes them now look like they don't support Dak.

Do I think Dak can do well with the offense we have right now? Sure I do!

Do I think we can actually do better with another QB because of the ability to stack the defense even more?
Yes.... I 10000% think so.

The dude is not the next Brady, and he isn't Wilson, Brees, or Mahomes... and people know that. They will try and say he is, but they are just trying to convince themselves. They aren't convincing other people...

So why pay him that money? Why is he even asking for that type of money?

Why are people so in love with Dak, that they are actually cheering for him to get that type of money?

Like I said before, does this guy want to be a champion or just the highest paid QB? My view is, he wants to be the highest paid QB far more than a champion.
I hear you and are correct. But you dont win a SB by saving money. Lets look forward if dak isnt the qb do you think you would be ok with dalton as your qb. Will the other players take a step back? Same went with romo thats how i justified it. He was our best chance of winning at the time.
 

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like him as a person and player and I am perfectly fine with him being the Cowboys quarterback, just not at $30+ million per year at least not yet.

Time up, though. It's either pay him or move on and take your chances with the QB carousal.

The team is loaded. Personally, I think he gives us our best chance to win in the next few years so I'm all in.
 

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I hear you and are correct. But you dont win a SB by saving money. Lets look forward if dak isnt the qb do you think you would be ok with dalton as your qb. Will the other players take a step back? Same went with romo thats how i justified it. He was our best chance of winning at the time.

We all already knew Garrett was useless... and Romo probably was our best chance at the time. I don't recall him ever having this type of offense though. He had pieces here and there over the years, but nothing like what
we should be seeing from this team now.

I mean:

1) We have a line that should be able to protect him.
2) We have a running back, that if he actually cares... should be able to run wild.
3) We have 3 receivers that definitely 1 of them should be able to get open, and if they aren't open... then the TE should be.
Our receiving core on paper... it will be hard for me to understand someone not being open.
4) We have a new coach (honestly I was never a huge fan of McCarthy, I hope I am wrong... but either way I feel like he is still so far above Garrett, I don't care lol)

Romo, really was just hitting his real ability when his body failed him. He was exciting and frustrating to watch at the same time.

Most QBs have a couple seconds to get rid of the ball. I remember looking up Dak, and he was nearing the 3 second area with protection.
He and Rodgers were tied for 6th longest time to throw the ball...

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We have all seen many QBs that suck on various teams, but with enough time to throw they shine. I think a vast majority of QBs that make it to the NFL, with enough time can make the throws.

The problems we usually see is how they handle NFL type pressure. Some of them just fold... some of them thrive. Some of them the pressure doesn't really bother them, but they still don't handle it
very well, and make bad decisions.

I think that is one of the things, I so much like about Mahomes... the kid doesn't get rattled. He has a demeanor that you see in those top QBs. I feel like Brady, P. Manning, Brees, Wilson, and others we have seen over the years
have an uncanny ability to slow the game down in their mind. While we are watching it at full speed, their mind sees it slower... if that makes sense lol.

Basically, I don't think that ability is learned though, you are born that way. Those QBs with that ability, seem to turn in to HOFers.

I don't believe Dak has that ability, and I really doubt Dalton does either.

But, games like the Bengals when they played Seattle last year, show glimpses of what Dalton can do in timed passing plays, etc...
I mean let's face it... the Bengals have had some of the worst play calling, and player acquisitions for a long time lol.

I think if there is nothing wrong with Dalton physically, he can do very well with this team if, what we see on paper with this team is what we really do have.

I think Dak will do well also with this type of lineup.

But, I actually think we would do better with Dalton right now, if we used that Dak contract money to reinforce this defense.

I am going to be honest, I don't feel Dak is elite, and I don't think he will ever be. I definitely do not think Dalton is elite either... I think Romo was just reaching elite level mentally, but not physically.

I would give anything to plant Romo's brain in Dak's body...

I still kind of think there is something odd here though with the signing of Dalton, and why he took so little cash for this contract. I mean it just doesn't compute...

So I am either wrong in thinking Dalton can handle the load with this team, or McCarthy has some intentions we don't know about, and Jerry is in agreement with them.

But, if you look at the games against teams they both played last year, they aren't that incredibly different. Other than the Bengals team, completely sucked.

Dalton is more willing to throw into tighter windows than Dak as well. While it leads to INTs, it also can often make a big difference in Wins as well.
We all know there is a fine line between playing too safe, and being a madman gunslinger lol...

So Dalton threw 3 more INTs last year while throwing over 60 times less. But, that was because I think he missed a few games. So he may have likely thrown 20 INTs.
But, again we have to look at the Bengals... AJ Green is the world to that team, and he wasn't there.

I don't know... man it is a tough call. We could be sinking our ship paying Dak that kind of money, or maybe not.

We could be shooting ourselves in the foot starting Dalton, or we could be pleasantly surprised with him and the talent around him.

You can drive yourself nuts thinking about it... I am 48 years old, I would just like to see a couple more Super Bowls, instead of just remembering 25 years ago.
 

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1. You do not know Dak personally, or you would have said so.
2. Your comments are those of a fan without a working knowledge of the real negotiations or time table of this players contract.
3. Your comment about a more experienced player who is hungry indicates your bias has blinded you to the qualities Dak possesses. Especially since Darren Woodson illustrated the work ethic of Dak in a comment. One that most, if not all of the fans here would respect more than a poster in all likelihood,
4. His contract is not undermining McCarthy in any way. Up until yesterday the facility was closed, so it's not like the team was seated in a meeting room waiting for the QB who didn't show up.
5. You ignore facts about this team and it's failure due to players and coaching which have a large hand in this scenario. You blame it on Dak. I could make a few suggestions of books on the subject of professional American football which might enlighten you about team and scheme.
6. If you have arrived at your end of this drama, does that mean we (the people posting here) can expect you not to start one more thread about Dak, or respond to any thread about him? I cannot speak for everyone on this site, but I'd say if we started a poll - allowed by the ownership - a significant number of people would be hoping this would come true.

The person who needs to get over this is you. I understand we all have been cooped up with the virus that shall be unnamed. But truthfully, your version of cabin fever is borderline bat shate crazy.

I have suggested this before. Get a hobby.
Oh my..

Your fanhood is really being threatened, huh?

Well..

I guess I Need to roll out my list of Cowboys Accomplishment for you and I will happily share some insights..

A) I have beeen a fan since 1965. I am surely a grumugeen in your eyes. Who cares what you think.You are a freakin' blowhard.
B) Myself and family have 4 season tickets to all Cowboy games dating back to 1966. Which means Cotton Bowl, Texas Stadium and ATT. Our tickets are on the lower bowl b/w the 20 and 30.
C] These tickets b/w their cost, parking passes and concession prices cost on average about $300 per seat times 4 seats. Each game. We pay it gladly. Back in the Texas Stadium days, we had to buy 4 Construction bonds from the team in order to have the option to buy season tickets. Not the tickets, that was extra. Just the rights to buy them. We had to keep those bonds for 10 years before they matured to redeem them. We did.
D) I am a professional photographer by profession and have personally work for the team doing photo shoots. I have also worked with the DCC putting together their Aerobic Workout video of 1996, the last SB year for us.
E} I have probably forgot more about the Cowboys over those years than you think you will ever know. You just sound like a Wanna Be to me.
F) I have personally met Landry, Dan Reeves, Calvin Hill, Staubach, Walt Garrison and Emmitt Smith in my work. Great memories, all.
G) Recently in my will, I gave my children rights to the tickets for them to have going forward when I leave.

Since I put my money with my mouth for over 50 years..now you are disqualified to hold my coke at games, brother. You couldn't afford the seat.

Play with somebody your own age, brother. I am way too far ahead of you in my loyalty to the team to consider you anything more than roadkill.

Sorry to the Forum for this, but this guy and his followers need a new plan and deserved a reply. The old plan of divide and conquer when they have no clue of the opposition is a comical one

You can't fix stupid.

:popcorn:
 

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Who did i bash? I was just stating my opinion because my faith in Dak. If you saw him at miss st especially his junior season you can tell the kid has "it". $25 million is untealistic based on what goff and wentz got paid. Compare dak next to them and he stands out in most categories. So he shpuld take 8 mil a year less because he didnt have great coaching and a defense to carry him? There are 53 men on a team to do a job. When dak plays defense and special teams holla at me
Goff and Wentz played on teams that reached the Super Bowl. Dak has not.
 

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Uhhhhhh, ok....
Decade of frustration, coupled w the realization that we never had a chance...

Only saving grace is that we probably dont have to worry about the NY Giants for about a decade.

Unless Mara isnt as easily sold as Jerry.
 

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Oh my..

Your fanhood is really being threatened, huh?

Well..

I guess I Need to roll out my list of Cowboys Accomplishment for you and I will happily share some insights..

A) I have beeen a fan since 1965. I am surely a grumugeen in your eyes. Who cares what you think.You are a freakin' blowhard.
B) Myself and family have 4 season tickets to all Cowboy games dating back to 1966. Which means Cotton Bowl, Texas Stadium and ATT. Our tickets are on the lower bowl b/w the 20 and 30.
C] These tickets b/w their cost, parking passes and concession prices cost on average about $300 per seat times 4 seats. Each game. We pay it gladly. Back in the Texas Stadium days, we had to buy 4 Construction bonds from the team in order to have the option to buy season tickets. Not the tickets, that was extra. Just the rights to buy them. We had to keep those bonds for 10 years before they matured to redeem them. We did.
D) I am a professional photographer by profession and have personally work for the team doing photo shoots. I have also worked with the DCC putting together their Aerobic Workout video of 1996, the last SB year for us.
E} I have probably forgot more about the Cowboys over those years than you think you will ever know. You just sound like a Wanna Be to me.
F) I have personally met Landry, Dan Reeves, Calvin Hill, Staubach, Walt Garrison and Emmitt Smith in my work. Great memories, all.
G) Recently in my will, I gave my children rights to the tickets for them to have going forward when I leave.

Since I put my money with my mouth for over 50 years..now you are disqualified to hold my coke at games, brother. You couldn't afford the seat.

Play with somebody your own age, brother. I am way too far ahead of you in my loyalty to the team to consider you anything more than roadkill.

Sorry to the Forum for this, but this guy and his followers need a new plan and deserved a reply. The old plan of divide and conquer when they have no clue of the opposition is a comical one

You can't fix stupid.

:popcorn:
I was at the first game against Pittsburgh in the Cotton Bowl. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. Unless that is the new hobby I recommended
 

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I was at the first game against Pittsburgh in the Cotton Bowl. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. Unless that is the new hobby I recommended
typical.

One game? One line response?

Been to hundreds in my time. Feel like I paid for Garrett's severance pay.

You need to find your place in the pecking order and fall in.

Then we are contemporaries.

I thought you were talking like a 20 year old kid who Googles all his fandom for free.

You really should get in front of a mirror. That's my picture in my avitar. i am real.

Who are you?

:facepalm:
 

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I was not a big fan of Dak when we drafted him and nothing has changed yet.... it is not about him as a person i don't know the guy.... so of course I won't be happy if they sign him because i think he is not worth that much money which will end up hurting the team...... Now i will still I cheer for the Cowboys as a team regardless who is wearing the Jerseys.
 
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