Twitter: Jamaal Adams being rumored to the Cowboys yet again

Toruk_Makto · May 23, 2020

Cowboyny said:
-A fair comparison is Landon Collins, in my mind similar players. Seen both often here in NY. Collins numbers first 3 years: 340 Tackles, 8 Interceptions, 4 Sacks, 2 Forced Fumbles. Adams: 272 Tackles, 2 Interceptions, 12 Sacks & 4 forced fumbles. Collins signed with the Commanders last season for over 14 million a season and his numbers have gone way down.

i'm old enough to remember when people used stats to compare Jalen Ramsey to Anthony Brown. LOL

Kwyn · May 23, 2020

Rayman70 said:
d. WILSON

Hahha, lol. It would be something if The Great Donovan made the team

hahaha

KingintheNorth · May 23, 2020

jnday said:
I am talking about results, like being the defensive leader on three Super Bowl teams.

Really think you are misremembering things here.

He was a rookie for the 92 Super Bowl season, and while he would go onto be a leader of this team down the road, those Super Bowl defenses were his rookie, 2nd, and 4th seasons. The leaders were Ken Norton, Charles Haley, and Thomas Everett on those defenses. Maybe by the third Super Bowl he could have been considered a defensive leader.

Cowboyny · May 23, 2020

fivetwos said:
You're absolutely out of your mind if you continue to make that comparison. Please stop.

And please stop giving me stats. Certain guys have a certain "it" factor that Adams has and Collins doesnt.

Dont start telling me STATS matter for defensive backs.

How about the eye test?

And if you live where I do as you say, how in the WORLD can you ever make the comparison between Collins and Adams?

You know damned well what the difference is...OR, you dont pay much attention or dont know what you're looking at.

I'd rather have Clinton-Dix at this point as opposed to Collins, and Adams is a top 25 player in the entire league.

That's the comparison?

Dont want him at the cost? Solid argument.

Otherwise come on already. What would be the reaction in NY of the Jets dealt him for only a 1st?

-Collins had a legitimate defensive mvp type season in his 2nd yr in the league and was a quality safety while playing with the Giants. Ask Giants fans how they viewed Collins early in his career. He was a difference maker.
-Adams is a very good player, but in my opinion he isn't special in coverage.
-Paying huge massive draft capital, along with giving him a marketing setting contract hurts the team more then it helps it.Jets wanted our 1st, 2nd and Tyron Smith last year. That deal would of been Lamb, Diggs and Tyron. Would you make that deal?
-We can agree to disagree, but I don't see any trade between the teams happening.

StuckMojo · May 23, 2020

No way I’m giving up multiple draft picks then turn around and have to make him highest paid safety.

PJTHEDOORS · May 23, 2020

StuckMojo said:
No way I’m giving up multiple draft picks then turn around and have to make him highest paid safety.

And a SS who doesn't get int's, no thanxs.

EMMITTnROY · May 24, 2020

A lot of people who cover the game for a living think that Jamal Adams is a top 5 defensive player in the league.

One example that just came out: he’s tied for the 4th best odds of winning DPOY this year. As a safety. That’s how good this 24 year old is. And he wants to be here.

If you believe Dak at $35 million a year after the cap explodes will be a bargain, how do you feel bad about locking up a 24 year old DPOY candidate at $15 mill a year?

https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/dk...-odds-2020-nfl-aaron-donald-nick-bosa-tj-watt

Bullflop · May 24, 2020

Unless the asking price changes dramatically, the Cowboys would be foolish to pay what the Jets are asking.

Even if the Jets adjust the price considerably, the team would still be stuck w/a contract problem with Adams.

Right from the start, the Jets front office is determined to demand too much for the Cowboys to accept a deal.

Kwyn · May 24, 2020

StuckMojo said:
No way I’m giving up multiple draft picks then turn around and have to make him highest paid safety.

Yep. He sucks. Let’s just go with Donovan Wilson. The guy who is now penciled as a starter after being third string last year behind Heath and Frzier left in free agency.

People vastly overrate draft picks when it comes to considering how to upgrade veteran team that is trying to push deep in the playoffs. We hopefully filled our two biggest holes in the 2nd and 4th round. We took a luxury pick in the first to get a third WR.

What we need now is an elite leader on the defensive side of the ball. That is what we are missing and our defense can’t really take that next step without it

We have a 2019 first team all-pro Who may be available.

Know how many first team all-pros we had on the team last year?

One (Zack)

Know how many players on our roster have ever been first team all-pro?

Two (Zack and Tyron)

You guys dream of every first round pick turning into Jerry Rice or Aaron Donald

Most end up being average to good starters.

A handful become really good.

A very few become elite.

First team all-pro is pretty much a requirement to be considered elite in this league.

Multiple all-pro selections, in your first three years? That has the potential to. be something special.

I love draft picks as much as the next guy but right place right time.

Our defense is a player or two away from having a chance to be pretty good and with an offense like we have now, pretty good may be enough to make a run at an NFC Championship.

Give me an elite defender. I don’t care what position. Especially one with leadership qualities. We need that much more than the 25th pick in next years draft.

slick325 · May 24, 2020

Kwyn said:
Yep. He sucks. Let’s just go with Donovan Wilson. The guy who is now penciled as a starter after being third string last year behind Heath and Frzier left in free agency.

People vastly overrate draft picks when it comes to considering how to upgrade veteran team that is trying to push deep in the playoffs. We hopefully filled our two biggest holes in the 2nd and 4th round. We took a luxury pick in the first to get a third WR.

What we need now is an elite leader on the defensive side of the ball. That is what we are missing and our defense can’t really take that next step without it

We have a 2019 first team all-pro Who may be available.

Know how many first team all-pros we had on the team last year?

One (Zack)

Know how many players on our roster have ever been first team all-pro?

Two (Zack and Tyron)

You guys dream of every first round pick turning into Jerry Rice or Aaron Donald

Most end up being average to good starters.

A handful become really good.

A very few become elite.

First team all-pro is pretty much a requirement to be considered elite in this league.

Multiple all-pro selections, in your first three years? That has the potential to. be something special.

I love draft picks as much as the next guy but right place right time.

Our defense is a player or two away from having a chance to be pretty good and with an offense like we have now, pretty good may be enough to make a run at an NFC Championship.

Give me an elite defender. I don’t care what position. Especially one with leadership qualities. We need that much more than the 25th pick in next years draft.

The starting RB for the Cowboys is also a former 1st team All-Pro (his rookie season of 2016). But, I understand your point.

One of the biggest points of contention is trading multiple picks and then allocating more cap space to his new contract. One that would make him the highest paid at the position most likely. He is talented. No one doubts that. His lack of INTs could be an issue as well but...he makes plays at the LOS. But, the picks and cash to acquire the talent may be too rich for some folks blood.

Kwyn · May 24, 2020

slick325 said:
The starting RB for the Cowboys is also a former 1st team All-Pro (his rookie season of 2016). But, I understand your point.

One of the biggest points of contention is trading multiple picks and then allocating more cap space to his new contract. One that would make him the highest paid at the position most likely. He is talented. No one doubts that. His lack of INTs could be an issue as well but...he makes plays at the LOS. But, the picks and cash to acquire the talent may be too rich for some folks blood.

Thanks for the correction. I missed Sean Lee also!

To your points. I get it and I understand that some may have legitimate hesitations. I’m fine with a discussion.

My issue is really with those who are so timid in and who are always afraid to go for it.

Doing nothing and always planning for “next year” is fine if you like eating soup every day, but at some point ******, next year needs to be *this year*

Our defense, even if Diggs ends up being serviceable, is average. We need better than that and dreaming of a rebuild, which seems to be a pastime for many posters here, is several years down the line.

Drafting a player or two next year, who will inevitably take at least a full season to make a real difference, is just such a milquetoast approach.

It’s time to put them up on the table and see what’s what

Stash · May 24, 2020

Bullflop said:
Unless the asking price changes dramatically, the Cowboys would be foolish to pay what the Jets are asking.

Even if the Jets adjust the price considerably, the team would still be stuck w/a contract problem with Adams.

Right from the start, the Jets front office is determined to demand too much for the Cowboys to accept a deal.

You would have to get a deal done with Adams before the trade is completed.

Cowboysheelsreds053 · May 24, 2020

stasheroo said:
You would have to get a deal done with Adams before the trade is completed.

Agree, if you go down this road, you cannot handle it like the Cooper trade. You need to nail everything down at once before pulling that trigger.

pgreptom · May 24, 2020

Toruk_Makto said:
i'm old enough to remember when people used stats to compare Jalen Ramsey to Anthony Brown. LOL

Are you old enough to remember floaty creating threads saying we could trade Coakley and a 2nd for (insert top 10 player in the NFL)?

Stash · May 24, 2020

Cowboysheelsreds053 said:
Agree, if you go down this road, you cannot handle it like the Cooper trade. You need to nail everything down at once before pulling that trigger.

Exactly, otherwise you end up having to pay anything and everything the player you traded picks for and their agents demands. Because you HAVE TO in order to justify the draft pick(s) you gave up. Just like with Cooper, and a far worse example in the Texans and Laremy Tunsil. Can't do it.

rags747 · May 24, 2020

A NJ paper today is quoting M Irvin as saying that the Jets want a 1 and 3 for Adams...
https://www.nj.com/jets/2020/05/nfl...-in-jamal-adams-trade-says-michael-irvin.html

JBS · May 24, 2020

stasheroo said:
Exactly, otherwise you end up having to pay anything and everything the player you traded picks for and their agents demands. Because you HAVE TO in order to justify the draft pick(s) you gave up. Just like with Cooper, and a far worse example in the Texans and Laremy Tunsil. Can't do it.

You might be able to get adams for a little bit of a discount..he's desperate to play for Dallas...I'm not sure how much..but you might get something

Stash · May 24, 2020

JBS said:
You might be able to get adams for a little bit of a discount..he's desperate to play for Dallas...I'm not sure how much..but you might get something

That's what I figure too. I think he would make some measure of compromise to be able to play in Dallas. How much? Who knows? But I think he'd take slightly less on the deal than anywhere else.

blueblood70 · May 24, 2020

I would consider trading Galluo straight up for Adams,

why Because with ACs new deal, CEEdee on the roster, and gallups rookie deal soon tpo be up, we wont have the resources to add another big deal to the WR position . however we dont have a high paid DB , we let BJ go, S is a Need and position we could invest in..

so why not? im betting the Jets wouldn't do that and thats why JA is not going anywhere, the jets have asked far too much for him and hes staying put..JA wants to be there but his team wants too much..

Bowdown27 · May 24, 2020

stasheroo said:
That's what I figure too. I think he would make some measure of compromise to be able to play in Dallas. How much? Who knows? But I think he'd take slightly less on the deal than anywhere else.

That could be a big deal if he takes less money to come here. Could make the trade easier on both sides. He wants to be here. He’s from here. Well see what unfolds but like you said the compromise about money could be beneficial to getting the deal done

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