What's the deal with Tyrone Crawford

noshame · May 24, 2020

I think we can assume the new defensive coaches have watched endless tape of the whole squad. Obviously they see something in him they can use. I yield.

Typhus · May 24, 2020

817Gill said:
It’s not our money lol why do people care? Obviously if the front office wants to make a move for someone else he is going to be one of the easiest contracts to dispose of. No matter how much we want Griffin or Clowney, the FO seems to have little or no interest.

It seems pretty clear that the heavy lifting of this offseason’s personnel acquisition is done. The team didn’t need to cut TCraw’s contract down so they didn’t. If they genuinely like him as a guy, why would they ask him to take a pay cut without needing the space? Just to see more cap room on Spotrac?

I’m not saying dudes a beast or anything but if they didn’t need the cap room then they weren’t going to ask him to take less. Why it bugs us makes no sense, we act as if we are actively pursuing multiple players and are coming up short with the funds needed to sign them. Paying Dak increases our cap room, so he doesn’t count.

There you go again, making too much sense.
Good job brother,, clear vision.

Stash · May 24, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Like many, I just don't get the deal with Tyrone Crawford:

-We thought that Marinelli loved Crawford, but it appears the front office is very high on the player.

-Coming off of double hip surgery, team could of release him for big savings or ask him to take a pay cut. Neither happened.

-He offers very little as a pass rusher, more of a run stuffing base DE. Some of his positives, has position flex and is considered one of the leaders in the locker room.

-It appears he is the leading candidate to start at Defensive End.

-Perhaps they like his positional flex implementing a defense that will have multiple fronts.

You're preaching to the choir here brother!

The fact is that for all of the things the team has gotten right as of late, there's very clearly at least one remaining that they get wrong. They got it wrong last year and it cost them $10 million for next to nothing. And yet some dummies want to rubber stamp doing it again.

Cowboyny · May 24, 2020

stasheroo said:
You're preaching to the choir here brother!

The fact is that for all of the things the team has gotten right as of late, there's very clearly at least one remaining that they get wrong. They got it wrong last year and it cost them $10 million for next to nothing. And yet some dummies want to rubber stamp doing it again.

I just don't get it. They could use the cap funds and bring in a legitimate high level starter such as Griffen at the position.

Cowboyny · May 24, 2020

quickccc said:
i would normally say it is probably for the same reason why they loved and stuck with Rod Marinelli,... for the same reason why they loved jason garrett
and stuck with him.
Built in Sentimental Loyalty within the organization to stay with a certain coach or player longer than what they should have been.

But that said, how do we know the new coaching regime were not in on bringing back Crawford as well ?
How do we know that when team evaluations and future plans went down when the coaching change took over
with McCarthy, Nolan and Tomsula putting in their 2 cents on keeping Crawford ?

Is there something about Tyrone's leadership, experience, versatility and skill set that is favored more than how the anti-Crawford crowd sees it ?
i tend to wonder about that now.

-Jerry Jones is known to get too close with his players and doesn't run the team like a business.
-You would think the new staff had say to keep him or not. Looking at the position, probably had little choice
-I bet you are right about them valuing his leadership, experience and versatility.

Stash · May 24, 2020

Cowboyny said:
I just don't get it. They could use the cap funds and bring in a legitimate high level starter such as Griffen at the position.

Because it makes no sense. And we're right. And we've been right for years. They've kept this player around for years with results that continue to disappoint and at exhorbitant costs. They can 'say' whatever they want about him, but results never justify their words.

I guess those continuing to try to make excuses are fine with the fact that they wasted $10 million last year and are about to waste another $9 million this year. Those people should never comment on any salary cap matters again because they're living in a fantasy world.

Cowboyny · May 24, 2020

cern said:
Perhaps they're waiting to declare him a june 1 cut. I sure hope so.

They can designate him now, if they wanted to.

Eastex · May 24, 2020

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i would normally say it is probably for the same reason why they loved and stuck with Rod Marinelli,... for the same reason why they loved jason garrett
and stuck with him.
Built in Sentimental Loyalty within the organization to stay with a certain coach or player longer than what they should have been.

But that said, how do we know the new coaching regime were not in on bringing back Crawford as well ?
How do we know that when team evaluations and future plans went down when the coaching change took over
with McCarthy, Nolan and Tomsula putting in their 2 cents on keeping Crawford ?

Is there something about Tyrone's leadership, experience, versatility and skill set that is favored more than how the anti-Crawford crowd sees it ?
i tend to wonder about that now.

All good points, plus his agent is Dak Prescott's agent and there is no good reason to upset him at this time. Smart move to keep Crawford now to see how the DL comes together in TC. With the new additions, they might decide they no longer need him and can save the CAP then.

Stash · May 24, 2020

Cowboyny said:
-Jerry Jones is known to get too close with his players and doesn't run the team like a business.
-You would think the new staff had say to keep him or not. Looking at the position, probably had little choice

I think this is strictly a GM and cap decision. One that McCarthy is simply conceding to Jones rather than pushing to get him off the roster. Nothing on the player's tape would have anyone campaigning to keep him. Certainly not 2019 and certainly not an aging player coming off of double hip surgery.

-I bet you are right about them valuing his leadership, experience and versatility.

Words, empty words that translate to nothing on the field where it counts. That is Tyrone Crawford.

Cowboyny · May 24, 2020

stasheroo said:
Because it makes no sense. And we're right. And we've been right for years. They've kept this player around for years with results that continue to disappoint and at exhorbitant costs. They can 'say' whatever they want about him, but results never justify their words.

I guess those continuing to try to make excuses are fine with the fact that they wasted $10 million last year and are about to waste another $9 million this year. Those people should never comment on any salary cap matters again because they're living in a fantasy world.

-Crawford is an ok player. I get it, he does a lot of the dirty work, but he's not a Justin Smith who used to play for the 49ers. He is a player who can easily be replaced at a much lower level. He was paid to be the team's 3t in Marinelli's defense, yet has never been much of a pass rusher, which that position requires.

Stash · May 24, 2020

Cowboyny said:
They can designate him now, if they wanted to.

I'm hoping it's simply a matter of Crawford passing a physical so they can then release him without having to pay an injury settlement. At least that makes some sense.

Stash · May 24, 2020

Cowboyny said:
-Crawford is an ok player. I get it, he does a lot of the dirty work, but he's not a Justin Smith who used to play for the 49ers. He is a player who can easily be replaced at a much lower level. He was paid to be the team's 3t in Marinelli's defense, yet has never been much of a pass rusher, which that position requires.

And notice how easily he was displaced even there. Maliek Collins stepped right in and suddenly they had to find somewhere else to put Crawford. Pathetic for a guy you're paying $9 million a year. Always has been, always will be, but fans have to make excuses for their favorite team.

Cowboyny · May 24, 2020

stasheroo said:
I think this is strictly a GM and cap decision. One that McCarthy is simply conceding to Jones rather than pushing to get him off the roster. Nothing on the player's tape would have anyone campaigning to keep him. Certainly not 2019 and certainly not an aging player coming off of double hip surgery.

Words, empty words that translate to nothing on the field where it counts. That is Tyrone Crawford.

It unreal, that this franchise is relying on a player coming off of double hip surgery, another player who hasn't played in 4 seasons and a third who decided weed was more important then making a living.

unionjack8 · May 24, 2020

Same agent as Dak
No way they ask him to take a pay cut or more and make the dak deal even harder.....

Stash · May 24, 2020

unionjack8 said:
Same agent as Dak
No way they ask him to take a pay cut or more and make the dak deal even harder.....

So they're afraid of agents now? That's not good.

fivetwos · May 24, 2020

I'll offer my prediction...

If some of the youngins can show something in camp, and there isnt a pile of DL injuries, they will either ask him to take a pay cut or flat out release him.

If they want him still, he is much more likely to accept a cut in early September than now...I'm not sure of his family situation.

The real tragedy is potentially yet to come...if they keep Crawford over say, a much improved and on the way up guy like Jelks or Jackson, and they latch on elsewhere and become a cheap contributor.

Whyjerry · May 24, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Like many, I just don't get the deal with Tyrone Crawford:

-We thought that Marinelli loved Crawford, but it appears the front office is very high on the player.

-Coming off of double hip surgery, team could of release him for big savings or ask him to take a pay cut. Neither happened.

-He offers very little as a pass rusher, more of a run stuffing base DE. Some of his positives, has position flex and is considered one of the leaders in the locker room.

-It appears he is the leading candidate to start at Defensive End.

-Perhaps they like his positional flex implementing a defense that will have multiple fronts.

I truly believe he will not start. I have always said he is at best a rotational 3 tech guy. Straight line rusher is all he can do. Absolutely moronic to put him at DE. He doesn’t have the speed, flexibility, and length to play the position. He deploys the same straight line garbage at DE and gets tied up one on one almost every down. I think Smith or Gregory start at DE. In my opinion Crawford is a fourth string DT behind McCoy, Hill and Gallimore. If you look at the numbers you have Smith, McCoy, Poe, Lawrence, Gregory, Gallimore, Woods, Armstrong, Hill and Anae. How the hell is Crawford even in the mix especially at 9 million? If Gregory gets reinstated there is absolutely no room for the guy.

It was another terrible contract and the Jones boys don’t want to admit it.

unionjack8 · May 24, 2020

stasheroo said:
So they're afraid of agents now? That's not good.

I dont think they want to add fuel to the fire

lkelly · May 24, 2020

I’m guessing that they want a look first at Smith, Gregory, and the rookies. Who knows what shape any of those guys are in. If they like what they see they ask Crawford for a pay cut or release him. Right now his contract is just an insurance policy that isn’t costing them a monthly payment yet.

Stash · May 24, 2020

unionjack8 said:
I dont think they want to add fuel to the fire

I say screw that.
:thumbdown:

The Cowboys can conduct business as they see fit. If Todd France doesn't like it? Too bad.

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