What's the deal with Tyrone Crawford

stasheroo said:

$8 million. Even better.

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frees up money to make moves

JohnsKey19 said:

They would have made the move already if planning to cut Crawford. While overpaid, he is a solid rotational DL. So he will help in 2020.

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They might have been waiting on smith and gregory suspensions before acting.

Cowboyny said:

Like many, I just don't get the deal with Tyrone Crawford:

-We thought that Marinelli loved Crawford, but it appears the front office is very high on the player.

-Coming off of double hip surgery, team could of release him for big savings or ask him to take a pay cut. Neither happened.

-He offers very little as a pass rusher, more of a run stuffing base DE. Some of his positives, has position flex and is considered one of the leaders in the locker room.

-It appears he is the leading candidate to start at Defensive End.

-Perhaps they like his positional flex implementing a defense that will have multiple fronts.

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to be fair, his stats are good.

But he is 31 and he’s had hip problems.

Odds are he’s close to the end of his career.

dallasdave said:

frees up money to make moves

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Or maybe even get an actual, proven, starting RDE like Everson Griffen? A guy you don't have to yank out of the position at the slightest hint of a pass.

DuncanIso said:

to be fair, his stats are good.

But he is 31 and he’s had hip problems.

Odds are he’s close to the end of his career.

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Nobody is disputing him not a solid player, but not worth the high salary he's making.

stasheroo said:

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LOL

I wanted to cut him before the free agency signing period. But its clear he's very likely in the team's 2020 plans.

JohnsKey19 said:

LOL

I wanted to cut him before the free agency signing period. But its clear he's very likely in the team's 2020 plans.

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If so, they're clearly wrong.

They were wrong last year, to the tune of $10 million wasted. And if they do so again, they'll be wrong again too.

mperfection said:

You ask him to take a pay cut (which he has already agreed to) or cut/resign him to save $$ against the cap, if for no other reason than the fact you can always carry over the extra $$ into next year, when we may want to extend Gallup a year early, right? Or sign other valuable FA's?

Also, I am in the camp that believes that we will work out a trade for Jamal Adams, who wants an extension. So yes, you do make Crawford (who I WANT to be on this team) take a pay cut because his production hasn't matched his contract, he is willing to do so, and the money saved from his pay cut are valuable resources to be used elsewhere.

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Again, if you need the space make the move. Without one in place though there’s no need to give him a paycut. Also he’s a FA next year, he won’t be on the books anyway.

817Gill said:

Again, if you need the space make the move. Without one in place though there’s no need to give him a paycut. Also he’s a FA next year, he won’t be on the books anyway.

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Why pay clearance prices when you can pay full price? For a fan base always clamoring about cap space, there seems to be a real hesitance to get free space. It’s not a matter of needing it, more is always better. If it goes unused, it’ll rollover onto next year’s cap.

ksg811 said:

Why pay clearance prices when you can pay full price? For a fan base always clamoring about cap space, there seems to be a real hesitance today get free space. It’s not a matter of needing it, more is always better. If it goes unused, it’ll rollover onto next year’s cap.

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You mean the 8M that’s already going to be there because he’s a FA next season?

817Gill said:

You mean the 8M that’s already going to be there because he’s a FA next season?

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That’s not how it works. He already counts 0 on next year’s cap. If he’s cut, takes a pay cut, whatever, that additional savings gets added to next year’s available space if it goes unused. It’s not a net-zero impact like you’re suggesting.

817Gill said:

Again, if you need the space make the move. Without one in place though there’s no need to give him a paycut. Also he’s a FA next year, he won’t be on the books anyway.

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No, you can some money today, to use any way you'd like. Or to roll it over for the future. Bottom line is you can save $8 million.

Let me start by saying that I do not think Crawford is worth 9 million, but he is not a bum like some are suggesting, and I also don't think Jerry is hurting for money, nor do I think that he is keeping us from making any moves that we want to make.

First off, based on Nolan's old defenses and everything that players have been telling reporters about the new defense, I don't think he going to play the same role he played in 2018. In the base defense, his role will be primarily as 5T, the LDE. His job will be to occupy the OT, so the SLB/DPR (Smith, Gregory, Anae, etc.) will only have to contend with the TE. In the base, it will be DLaw playing the WDE. When we go to the nickel, DLaw goes to the LDE, the SLB/DPR goes to RDE and Crawford will either come off, or rotate in for Poe as an inside pass rusher. I think he will be solid at those two roles. 9 million solid? Nope. But an important part of the defense that will not put up big stats, but will be recognized by intelligent football people. If we simply cut him, as some are suggesting, who is going to play that role? Jackson? Don't know about him yet. Smith? Maybe, but I think they would like him to play the SLB/DPR role.That's not a role that Clowney or Griffen would want to do, nor would they be all that good at it.

Second, he really is not a bum. A 9 million dollar player? Nope. But, a solid football player that does the little things that makes a defense good? Absolutely. I am sorry that many of you don't understand how defenses work, but he is a valuable piece. Again - 9 million good? Nope, but still not a bum.

Third, his salary is not keeping us from getting a player we want. I know people are clamoring for Clowney or Griffen, and if we were in old our old defense, I would be too, with DLaw at LDE and Griffen at RDE. But, Griffen and Clowney would be playing DLaw's role in this defense, and we have that covered. They would not want to play the role that Crawford is going to play, because it's not designed to make a ton of splash plays, nor would they be great at it. Nor would they be good at the SLB/DPR role, and I think they think Smith/Gregory/Anae have that covered. Plus, he is not the only way we can add cap space. Simply signing Dak would give us an extra 10 million or so.

For those of you that think he should be cut, just so Jerry can have 9 million extra dollars, so maybe he can buy a helipad for his yacht - Jerry is not that guy, He appreciates what Crawford has done for this team, he is a leader and has been a solid, but not a great player. He has had numerous surgeries that will handicap him for a big part of his life after football. I am not sure why he is a whipping boy for so many fans. Let me ask you this, whatever your job is, there is a good chance that the longer you do it, the more you will be paid. Let's say you are the 65-year-old guy at your work. Maybe still good at your job, but probably not as good as the 20-somethings or 40-somethings. Are you a bum? Should your boss fire you simply so he can buy a Lamborghini instead of a Mercedes?

jazzcat22 said:

Could very well be. Let is play out in TC. I been wanting Crawford gone for years. However I pulled for him to make plays because he was on the team.
But maybe other players step up in TC and because of the cap, he will be released.

I don't see them waiting for a June 1st cur, as the will use that for Fredericks retirement to split his higher cap hit, spread it out over 2 years.

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I like Crawford but I’m hoping we don’t need him which means smith, Gregory and one of the young guys step up
I think most who dislike Crawford is more about contract
He’s a good player who can do lots of things but like many he’s gotten too expensive for the production and coming off surgery is scary

stasheroo said:

Exactly. If they let him on the field at all and he gets hurt, you're right back yo the dumb move they made not cutting or reducing his pay last year.

But yeah, dummies still rooting for moves like that this year.

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Yeah, it is so obvious. I don't get why anyone would even want Crawford unless it was vet min with incentives. Team just added McCoy and Poe in for the inside and added Gallimore via the draft. I can't see Hill getting worse and think he will show remarkable improvement. They drafted Anae and added Aldon Smith for the outside and Gregory should be able to come back unless Gregory doesn't know how to do the paperwork or can't play anymore. Got Armstrong and Jelks and Jackson to compete.

Crawford isn't even a need. The only sensible reason if Crawford is allowed to practice without a pay cut is that he is in the 'Big Club' of the Jones Family and Jerry wants to share some money with him.

817Gill said:

Again, if you need the space make the move. Without one in place though there’s no need to give him a paycut. Also he’s a FA next year, he won’t be on the books anyway.

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What kind of message does that send the team? Pay $9M for a guy who can't even practice or play while other guys are busting their butts for much less?

If Jerry likes Crawford so much, Jerry can add him to his payroll some other way which does not hurt the team with the cap or the overall team culture. Jerry can pay Crawford $9M to wash his yacht or be a glorified assistant DL coach.

big dog cowboy said:

He must still have those dirty pics of Jerry.

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Not only does he still have them, but he refuses to give Jerry a copy of them. The only way Jerry gets to see them is when Tyrone says he can.

fivetwos said:

If some of the youngins can show something in camp, and there isnt a pile of DL injuries, they will either ask him to take a pay cut or flat out release him.

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This!

The team can evaluate Crawford's health, other players along the DL, injuries, cuts elsewhere, salary cap positioning, etc..., and then make a final decision.

No need to rush it.

408Cowboy said:

Waste of resources

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A colossal waste of resource. It’s like paying premium money for a Fiat in hopes that it will perform like a Ferrari

Cowboyny said:

Like many, I just don't get the deal with Tyrone Crawford:

-We thought that Marinelli loved Crawford, but it appears the front office is very high on the player.

-Coming off of double hip surgery, team could of release him for big savings or ask him to take a pay cut. Neither happened.

-He offers very little as a pass rusher, more of a run stuffing base DE. Some of his positives, has position flex and is considered one of the leaders in the locker room.

-It appears he is the leading candidate to start at Defensive End.

-Perhaps they like his positional flex implementing a defense that will have multiple fronts.

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I don't know why there is so much hate for Crawford. Yes, he is overpaid but he has played a lot of snaps and has a lot of starts at both DE and DT.

The "deal" is that they've never really found replacements for him.

The 2019 run defense struggled without him playing as the base (run downs) RDE.

In 2018 once DT Collins was healthy enough to play his normal percent of snaps, Crawford moved back to being the base (run downs) RDE with Gregory as the pass rushing RDE.

The Crawford/Gregory combo was solid.

While he is somewhat overpaid, the Cowboys have in some ways limited his career by constantly moving him back and forth between DT and DE.

For several years he would train all off-season for one position and then end up playing the other position for most of the season.
- He wanted to keep his weight down to play DE.
- He wanted to bulk up to play DT.
- Players can't make that adjustment during the season. It's not like regular people just losing weight that is just fat.

I'm in favor of upgrading but teams don't get much these days for the equivalent of a 1 year, 8M contract which is what his contract should be considered with regards to 2020.

They have many possibilities at RDE this year, but no obvious player to start other than Crawford.

• Aldon Smith is a bonus is he can come back after 4 years out.
• Gregory remains suspended.
• Anae is a rookie 5th round pick.
• Armstrong is the primary young player with any significant experience.