Just for fun the Brady option vs Dak option

TheSkaven said:

I will. Go ahead and screenshot the post - if Brady falls flat on his face in Tampa, I will come back and admit that I was wrong.

But I’m not wrong. Tampa will be in the NFCCG this year, and I’ll equally remind everyone that it could have been Dallas.

Now, if we get to July 15 without a long term deal but when Dak, even though he knows that we can’t sign a long term deal after that date, decides to hold out and not sign his tender until Sep 12, what will you say?

When he holds out two additional months, doesn’t learn the playbook, and puts himself over team, while Brady lights up the league, will you admit that you were wrong?

Or will you blame it all on scapegoat Jerry Jones?

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That is how I see it, although I am just saying playoffs for TB, I dont know that much about them except they have some good wr and defense.
Dont know if they are good in run game.

I think Brady knew last year that he had nothing to work with and wasnt all that motivated, and they still almost made the playoffs.
I think he will be revitalized on a new team, and going from jamesis to brady is going to motivate the players and give them hope for
a winning season.

jazzcat22 said:

I don't think TB is penciled in the NFCCG right now either.
But yes Dallas would be is that had happened, because it gets clicks and ratings if not for anything else.

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so basically you are saying Dak is a better qb than tom brady is now in 2020 ? lets get it on record lol.
then we can see later who was right or wrong.
They could wind up playing in playoffs dallas vs TB would be fun.

TheSkaven said:

I will. Go ahead and screenshot the post - if Brady falls flat on his face in Tampa, I will come back and admit that I was wrong.

But I’m not wrong. Tampa will be in the NFCCG this year, and I’ll equally remind everyone that it could have been Dallas.

Now, if we get to July 15 without a long term deal but when Dak, even though he knows that we can’t sign a long term deal after that date, decides to hold out and not sign his tender until Sep 12, what will you say?

When he holds out two additional months, doesn’t learn the playbook, and puts himself over team, while Brady lights up the league, will you admit that you were wrong?

Or will you blame it all on scapegoat Jerry Jones?

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First, I would not blame Jerry nor give him credit. Brady was never going to come here, so that is of no concern or consideration to me.

Second. And what would I admit too if wrong or right. I said if / when, as I did not say he will outright fail. I said if he is one and done, fans should consider that a failure as they do with Dak. I won't rule out Brady from succeeding, that would be dumb to do so.

What Dak does with his contract status have to do with this as it means nothing. If Dak holds out, does not make it a dumb move not to get Brady. It is just the way it is.

DandyDon52 said:

I dont know what that means lol.
but by dak struggling, watch the GB game from last year and see what I am refering to.

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You said Dak's struggles - obviously a referrence to the losses. Zeke didn't do his job and give Dak help as a weapon in the run game. Zeke only had 62 yds against GB.

DandyDon52 said:

so basically you are saying Dak is a better qb than tom brady is now in 2020 ? lets get it on record lol.
then we can see later who was right or wrong.
They could wind up playing in playoffs dallas vs TB would be fun.

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I did not say that, so nothing is on record. Where in the hell did you come up with this.

jazzcat22 said:

31 other teams and their owners weren't dumping their QB's to get Brady either. NE did not even want to keep him.
He is done, or soon will be. You just want to get a jab in at Jerry, which has nothing to do with this.

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well thats wrong 1 or 2 other teams I know wanted brady, he chose TB over them , and we dont know who all called with interest.
And many probably were satisfied with who they have or have invested too much already, like la with goff, or phil and wentz etc.

DandyDon52 said:

so basically you are saying Dak is a better qb than tom brady is now in 2020 ? lets get it on record lol.
then we can see later who was right or wrong.
They could wind up playing in playoffs dallas vs TB would be fun.

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Yes Dak right now is better. Brady is 42. Dak is 26 and just hitting his prime.

PJTHEDOORS said:

You said Dak's struggles - obviously a referrence to the losses. Zeke didn't do his job and give Dak help as a weapon in the run game. Zeke only had 62 yds against GB.

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well no I wasnt just refering to games dallas lost, sometimes they win games, but he looks bad at times.
Elliot is a whole different story, part of his problem was the blocking schemes, and part is him not being in top condition.
But basically I am just refering to dak and his passing use of pocket, taking sacks when he could have ran, missing open guys throwing behind them,
too high, too low, and many were short passes he should be able to make every time.
Also he has a problem with wanting guys to be wide open, and leading them with the pass.

PJTHEDOORS said:

Yes Dak right now is better. Brady is 42. Dak is 26 and just hitting his prime.

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ok at least you will say it, kudos for that,

jazzcat22 said:

I did not say that, so nothing is on record. Where in the hell did you come up with this.

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so you think brady is better than dak?? gotta be one or the other lol.

jazzcat22 said:

So what happens if / when Brady fails in TB? By that, even one and done in the playoffs is failure. I mean if they hold that against Dak, it needs to be held against any QB.

Will anyone come on here and admit they were wrong and that Dak was the better option over Tom.
Or will they blame the coaching, saying Tom would have succeeded here?

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Good question.

Fwiw, I do think Dak has the better supporting cast here in Dallas. WR and dline groups are comparable, but after that, I think we have an advantage in several areas.

Brady is the better option and its not even close. Even though I think Brady has declined he still has a precision short to mid game. Tampa has better WRs but Dallas has a better running game. But the difference would be that Brady doesnt have the cold spells that Dak goes through. Watching Dak go 3 quarters of football essentially doing nothing is what kills this defense. People want to blame defense and special teams for losses and that is part true but Daks inability to keep drives alive is what causes problems. If you look at the Rams playoff game, Daks opening drive was great but after that he went MIA on keeping drives alive and the Defense couldnt stop the run but Dak couldnt keep the offense on the field long enough for the defense to regroup. Stats say Dak outplayed Goff but in reality what stats didnt show was Goff made the important throws on 3rd downs.

DandyDon52 said:

I think with current situation, they should have tried to get brady,

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Why would we want to downgrade QB?

DandyDon52 said:

I think with current situation, they should have tried to get brady, as a stop gap to drafting a new guy.

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There is one problem with this scenario. When Brady knew he was leaving NE, he sat down with Gisele and said, where would you like to go? I would be willing to bet, Dallas wasn't even mentioned. Everything, right from the start, mentioned East Coast or West Coast teams. Not to mention the fact, Tom Brady is on record saying, "I've disliked the Cowboys since coming out of the womb".

Brax said:

First Brady is a six time SB winning QB and 9 time SB starting QB, there is one reason He is not in Dallas, it is about who would get the credit for the SB, most would say Brady and that just wouldn't do in Jerryland. This is all about Jerry and nothing else matters, either Jerry gets all the credit or nothing and you see the last 20 odd years of nothing and how Jerry's ego has managed this team. 9 time SB QB or good to average Dak, doesn't seem to be much of a choice with the weapons Dallas has, who wouldn't take a shot with Brady if the SB is the real objective. Three time league MVP , nine Super bowls, six Super Bowl wins, and four time Super Bowl MVP, yeah lets pick Dak because he's so much better. some say $13 million better.

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If this was true, Jerry wouldn't have brought in Mike McCarthy. A coach with a SB win on his resume. IF... The Cowboys were to win the SB, McCarthy would get the credit, not JJ. When we the last time any fan base said, "Our owner / GM won that SB?

It would be impossible for anyone to argue Dak has a better resume than Brady. Like you pointed out "Three time league MVP , nine Super bowls, six Super Bowl wins, and four time Super Bowl MVP". But... If Tom was still "That Guy", in his prime, he'd still be in NE. I am looking forward to seeing Brady play in Tampa.

And before you or some Anti-Dak person jumps on this... For the record, if Brady would have agreed to come to Dallas, I would have been all over the idea. If he would have agreed to come for 13 million less than Dak... even better. Unfortunately, that was never an option.

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Polkton31 said:

There is one problem with this scenario. When Brady knew he was leaving NE, he sat down with Gisele and said, where would you like to go? I would be willing to bet, Dallas wasn't even mentioned. Everything, right from the start, mentioned East Coast or West Coast teams. Not to mention the fact, Tom Brady is on record saying, "I've disliked the Cowboys since coming out of the womb".



If this was true, Jerry wouldn't have brought in Mike McCarthy. A coach with a SB win on his resume. IF... The Cowboys were to win the SB, McCarthy would get the credit, not JJ. When we the last time any fan base said, "Our owner / GM won that SB?

It would be impossible for anyone to argue Dak has a better resume than Brady. Like you pointed out "Three time league MVP , nine Super bowls, six Super Bowl wins, and four time Super Bowl MVP". But... If Tom was still "That Guy", in his prime, he'd still be in NE. I am looking forward to seeing Brady play in Tampa.

And before you or some Anti-Dak person jumps on this... For the record, if Brady would have agreed to come to Dallas, I would have been all over the idea. If he would have agreed to come for 13 million less than Dak... even better. Unfortunately, that was never an option.

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You can't go to the dance if you are not asked. As for MM why did GB dump him and multiple other teams not hire him? As for anti Dak, at a bus driver salary I have no problem. Did Tom and Gisele tell you about that conversation they had and you were nice enough to share?

jazzcat22 said:

So what happens if / when Brady fails in TB? By that, even one and done in the playoffs is failure. I mean if they hold that against Dak, it needs to be held against any QB.

Will anyone come on here and admit they were wrong and that Dak was the better option over Tom.
Or will they blame the coaching, saying Tom would have succeeded here?

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I mean I'm pretty convinced I would take a 26 year old QB coming off one of his best seasons vs a 42 year old QB that looks to be declining even before I know this seasons outcome.

jazzcat22 said:

What Dak does with his contract status have to do with this as it means nothing. If Dak holds out, does not make it a dumb move not to get Brady. It is just the way it is.

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Sure it does. If you’re not going to be able to get a deal to with Dak, and especially if he holds out, then it’s time to move in another direction.

If Dak decides to be a bonehead and wait until Sept 12 to sign, something by the way that gives him no additional leverage and would be done just to spite the team, it’s a blow to the 2020 season. Jerry has compiled an incredibly talented roster - and if the QB who has to lead it is going to start week 1 with minimal knowledge of the playbook, no reps and no chemistry with his new center and receiver, it could cost you the season.

Why would you say that Brady was never going to come here? You don’t think that he’d rather play for America’s team with this star studded offense over Tampa Bay? Huh?

Jerry had the chance to sign Brady and develop a young QB over the next two years, as OP wrote. We blew it. Let’s just both hope as Cowboys fans now that either Dak’s deal gets done or he’s that he’s not a bonehead and signs his tender on July 16.

There was only one decision to make. Is Prescott the future? If he is, then you go that route. If not, there were other options, such as Brady. Do you want these people, the same ones that tried to trade up for Lunch, trying to find a QB better than Prescott over the next 2 years?

Would Brady have come to Dallas where the lights are the brightest or would he prefer someplace like TB where there is less circus atmosphere? He is not a spotlight seeker.

If Brady were to decide between DAL and TB, which would he choose? TB has the best WR tandem in the league and a QB friendly HC. Neither has a great D. On top of that, he's a water guy. He was raised around the Bay Area and played 20 years in Boston, he's like Jimmy Johnson, needs to be around water.

I don't think DAL would have been on his list and Booger would have not considered anyone to throw shade on him. He prides himself on making stars, not having them outshine him.

Brax said:

You can't go to the dance if you are not asked. As for MM why did GB dump him and multiple other teams not hire him? As for anti Dak, at a bus driver salary I have no problem. Did Tom and Gisele tell you about that conversation they had and you were nice enough to share?

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First... Not every post has to disintegrate into an argument. Second... GB dumped MM because of Rodgers and his antics. It's well documented if you care to do any research. Additionally, MM interviewed with Carolina, New York, and Cleveland before deciding on Dallas. I have no idea how many teams actually contacted him. Third... I never came down on the side of keeping Dak at 35 million a year. Fourth... Tom Brady is on record during several interviews saying he and Gisele discussed where they would like to end up and the benefits of each location. Once again, do some research.

Here's an excerpt from one.

During an interview Tuesday on NFL Network, NFL Media's Jim Trotter reported that "family considerations" led Brady to agree to play in Tampa Bay instead of Los Angeles.

"Everything I’ve been led to believe is that it’s not about money, it’s not about personnel or any of that. It’s simply about family considerations," Trotter said.

The 42-year-old quarterback has stressed the importance of having family time during recent Patriots offseasons, so it's not surprising he chose Tampa Bay (three-hour flight from New York) over L.A. (six-hour flight)."

I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess those conversations about family considerations took place between him and his wife, not between him and his dog. Of course, I could be wrong. It's happened before.