News: 4th round pick - CB Reggie Robinson II hasn't been discussed much

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Mr_437 said:
I'm not a fan. My reasons:
1. Redshirt Senior who's labeled raw, not good.
2. Gets worked on releases.
3. Gets bullied on releases.
4. Technique poor.
5. Awareness seems off on some plays.
6. Plays slow at times to run a 4.44.
7. Tackling technique is poor.
8. Catch point defense is lacking.

Sunshine: the coaches will be legit if they get this guy to a quality starter level.
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You seem to fall into the works of those that think when you draft a " developmental " prospect like Robinson in the 4th round, he should be a Day 1 starter - a year one starter. -that's' why its a difference between one drafted at 17th overall and a CB drafted in the mid rounds in the 4th..

Robinson has physical tools and measurements that they coveted at the CB role ..height, length, size, strength (22 reps) and 4.4 speed
plus they apparently likes how he's translated those tools into his play on the field. His play strength and physicality vs WRs, his demeanor and confidence
in staying on a WR to take them out and never get down.

They knew he is still an unfinished product who will need some coaching up - but the pluses and potential apparently must far outweigh the minuses.in their eyes.
And its' not like he is Chris Wesley super tools/ super raw green - that's still learning to start to have any clue of an idea to play CB.
Robinson was thought highly enough to be invited to both Senior Bowl and NFL Combine.
We can't just throw a pie in his face now instead of giving his sufficient time to develop.

Also Chido Awuzie had just 3 INTs during his college career ..while Robinson had 4 INTs in just this past year alone.
Along with Diggs i would think that ball skills, INT productivity and play on the ball had to be placed a bigger emphasis in playing a part in
the drafting of those two CBs.too.
 
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Don’t be surprised if he’s better than Diggs. Corners are tricky and regardless of Big school/small school etc this dude is a phenomenal athlete.
 
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I don’t know anything about him, but based on commentary on him I would not be surprised if he eventually outplays Diggs.
 
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xwalker said:
There is no reason to like Lewis better than Brown if you study game footage.

Brown has been better than Lewis.

Lewis got his chance in 2019 and was really bad.

Lewis had about 499 bad plays then 1 INT and fans love him.

Brown has been very good at things fans generally don't see.

The Nickel CB lines up near the end of the DL and needs to be a good run defender because of this positioning.

Brown has been a very good run defender.

In previous years Lewis showed good ability as a tackler; however, in 2019 he was terrible against the run.
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100% agree. There is a good reason that Brown has started ahead of Lewis. I would trade Lewis in a heartbeat for the right offer. He's more of a liability than an asset. He has the attitude to play CB, but not the requisite physical attributes.

As a 4th corner playing against a slow 4th or 5th possession receiver, or spying on a RB like he did in the game against the Saints 2 years ago, he can get the job done. And he does have better hands to pick off passes.

But in the NFL, he's rarely going to be in the position for an interception because he's just too slow to play CB against top NFL receivers.
 
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quickccc said:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/reggie-robinson/3219524f-4273-6176-83a6-25be1b8cd671

Of the Cowboys 1st half round picks, this is the player that hasn't been as discussed here.
In terms of ability,potential and role this year.

With the Cowboys having several CBs in content for playing time and roles, how does 4th round pick
Reggie Robinson fit in ?

i'm researching and keeping hearing that he may be more better with his face towards the QB ..than having to press turn and go, with his back to the QB.
Hmm, that tends to spell a better zone, off cushion DB than a bump n run CB - but i'm leaving it up to the Scouts who evaluate and projected him, as well as the coaches

But how does he gain experience with Diggs, Worley, Brown, Lewis, and perhaps Awuzie ahead of him ?
Has to be active list in some kind of capacity to be a front running factor next year.

I'm still iffy on roster status of Goodwin and Cannday but Special teams will factor big in game day active list.[/QUOTES
Don’t worry. As soon as he makes a mistake in training camp the haters will be all over the board *****ing about a wasted pick. Just stand by and be patient.
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big dog cowboy said:
The biggest under the radar draft pick.
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Honestly I knew nothing about him
Other than the QB I’d seen lots about the other guys
I assume he’s a guy to develope and be ready next year
Camp will be interesting to see him get some snaps
What I’ve read about him though seems to be more of a man coverage guy
 
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quickccc said:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/reggie-robinson/3219524f-4273-6176-83a6-25be1b8cd671

Of the Cowboys 1st half round picks, this is the player that hasn't been as discussed here.
In terms of ability,potential and role this year.

With the Cowboys having several CBs in content for playing time and roles, how does 4th round pick
Reggie Robinson fit in ?

i'm researching and keeping hearing that he may be more better with his face towards the QB ..than having to press turn and go, with his back to the QB.
Hmm, that tends to spell a better zone, off cushion DB than a bump n run CB - but i'm leaving it up to the Scouts who evaluate and projected him, as well as the coaches

But how does he gain experience with Diggs, Worley, Brown, Lewis, and perhaps Awuzie ahead of him ?
Has to be active list in some kind of capacity to be a front running factor next year.

I'm still iffy on roster status of Goodwin and Cannday but Special teams will factor big in game day active list.
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He hasn't done anything at rookie mini camp
 
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rocyaice said:
Chido's issue was scheme. When you watch him play you can tell he's being hindered by scheme. That was the issue with all of them. I'd be highly disappointed if Chido and Lewis aren't starting for us because if they aren't that means we are going to rely on youth at corner.
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Not quite all ...

What Byron Jones learned off Kris Richard fell perfectly into what he became ...from previously coaches who had him all over the field with this Flex position
his rookie year. they didn't seem to know what the hell to do with him, what position to best develop him,. how to develop him, and we wasted years on him
trying to be a FS, than stepping in as a press CB.

Not just a CB because it was important that he was in a press man scheme.. vs off line cushion or zone scheme. Jones Would be well miscast and out of sync if he has to play in space or with a cushion.

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quickccc said:
Not quite all ...

What Byron Jones learned off Kris Richard fell perfectly into what he became ...from previously coaches who had him all over the field with this Flex position
his rookie year. they didn't seem to know what the hell to do with him, what position to best develop him,. how to develop him, and we wasted years on him
trying to be a FS, than stepping in as a press CB.

Not just a CB because it was important that he was in a press man scheme.. vs off line cushion or zone scheme. Jones Would be well miscast and out of sync if he has to play in space or with a cushion.

o_O
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While Byron was great here....his lack of interceptions and deflections can be accredited to poor scheme. I'm not buying the "his side doesn't get thrown on" as a valid excuse for why he didn't have many interceptions.
 
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Sportstrac has his fully guaranteed at 1 million
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Overthecap has it at 2M.

Either way, he likely makes the team.

They'll keep 10 DBs.

Likely these 7:
Awuzie
Brown
Diggs
Robinson
HaHa
Woods
Wilson

3 of the following:
Worley
Thompson
Lewis
Chris Westry
Canady
Deante Burton
Goodwin
Saivion Smith


With Awuzie and Worley as options at Safety, it is more likely that Thompson would be cut (200K guaranteed) than Worley but that only happens if Westry or one of the bottom of the depth chart guys surprise and push for a spot.

Cutting Worley would mean keeping 2 of the following (would they eat 1M or 2M to keep 2 of these players???)
Thompson
Chris Westry
Canady
Deante Burton
Goodwin
Saivion Smith
 
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If the Oklahoma St. game was the only game you watched of him, you'd think he was a top 15 prospect.

In his other games some of his flaws were apparent. I'm not expecting anything in year 1.
 
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rocyaice said:
While Byron was great here....his lack of interceptions and deflections can be accredited to poor scheme. I'm not buying the "his side doesn't get thrown on" as a valid excuse for why he didn't have many interceptions.
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i disagree with blaming Byron's lack of INT ability on the scheme.
Whether CB or safety, Byron just doesn't have any sense of ball hawk takeaway ability. A knack or instincts is something a coach cannot give you.
:rolleyes:
 
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quickccc said:
i disagree with blaming Byron's lack of INT ability on the scheme.
Whether CB or safety, Byron just doesn't have any sense of ball hawk takeaway ability. A knack or instincts is something a coach cannot give you.
:rolleyes:
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Im not even asking for ball hawk ability. I'm simply asking for having a knack at knocking passes down or interceptions. Our secondary can barely sang up one pick.
 
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rocyaice said:
Im not even asking for ball hawk ability. I'm simply asking for having a knack at knocking passes down or interceptions. Our secondary can barely sang up one pick.
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oh well ,...to each his own, .
You can feel free to settle on your gift wrap wish for just knocking the ball down ,...

while i'm wishing and pushing for DBs that can create turnovers... as well as pass defense knockdowns, blanket coverage and tackling.

Turnovers instantly changes and many times shortens the field position for your offense, instead of them getting the ball at their usual 20 or 12 yd line
after a punt, and having to go 80 yds, a true opportunistic defense creates a turnover that starts the ball at the opposition's 40 or 25 yd line.

And you can't always depend upon your rushers for sacks strips - your likely chances are gonna have to come from deep patrol unit.
Usually the leading bulk of your chances for turnovers tend to come thru them.

If it were just " scheme" that was holding back Jones, you don't think Cowboys would be in a far effort of a pitch to keep him ?
They know his makeup and mentality. He just has no knack or instincts for INTs, He's not Richard Sherman.

And having Byron and his mere 2 career INTs (one from hail mary another from a Irving tipped ball for INT return) and Awuzie and his usual one INT
per year ..that's not happenin' from your starting duo in a pass happy league.
And i keep asking myself when was the last starting DB we have had (whether CB or safety) that we know can take the ball away on a consistent basis ?

we've been through the JJ Wilcox, Gerald Sensabaugh, Jeff Heath, and the Orlando Scandrick, Mo Claiborne, Brandon Carr, etc
and into this latest Awuzie, Lewis and Brown ....now it's up to the new crew coming in ala Diggs and Robinson .
and long term wise we dunno what will become or how long the starting duo Haha and Xavier will be....

o_O
 
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xwalker said:
Overthecap has it at 2M.

Either way, he likely makes the team.

They'll keep 10 DBs.

Likely these 7:
Awuzie
Brown
Diggs
Robinson
HaHa
Woods
Wilson

3 of the following:
Worley
Thompson
Lewis
Chris Westry
Canady
Deante Burton
Goodwin
Saivion Smith


With Awuzie and Worley as options at Safety, it is more likely that Thompson would be cut (200K guaranteed) than Worley but that only happens if Westry or one of the bottom of the depth chart guys surprise and push for a spot.

Cutting Worley would mean keeping 2 of the following (would they eat 1M or 2M to keep 2 of these players???)
Thompson
Chris Westry
Canady
Deante Burton
Goodwin
Saivion Smith
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Thanks for sharing DB roster projection .

CBs
Diggs
Robinson
Brown
Lewis
Worley
* Goodwin or Cannaday ? (sp)

safeties
HaHa Dix
X Woods
Wilson
Awuzie
* Thompson ? (sp)

i would normally see the usual number of 10 DBs ..but i'm also keeping in mind that the roster count has increased to 55 players, instead of the usual 53.
That's an extra valued DT ..an extra LB, or a final special teamer for those final two spots.. i'm also remembering that the team is committed to
helping out new special teams coach John Fassell with qualified man-power as much as possible.

So that could mean Goodwin vs Cannaday fighting it out for that last special teams role.

-i frankly cannot stand Darian Thompson's expanded role as a key backup or nickel package particularly because of his bad angles, lack of instincts and suspect coverage skills i really hope a dark horse like undrafted rookie safety Luther Kirk can emerge to push him off the roster.

but just like useless base defense LB Justin March Lippard , they value his SP work so much that he makes team along off that skill set.
- .ditto as well as 6th WR Bryant Wendall (depending upon his legal status via arrest)

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