What's the deal with Tyrone Crawford

KingintheNorth · May 25, 2020

Idgit said:
I meant all of his coaches, from 2012 to the present.

Not to be confused with “some guys on the internet who think they know better.” Though, I admit, it’s a fine line.

Tell us more how Garrett is a great coach?

You won't accept it but your excuse-making for Garrett the past several years leaves you with zero credibility, especially in the context of coaching.

Go Cowboys!

Idgit · May 25, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Tell us more how Garrett is a great coach?

You won't accept it but your excuse-making for Garrett the past several years leaves you with zero credibility, especially in the context of coaching.

Go Cowboys!

That’s off-topic, and also a misquote, but feel free to go back and read the old threads is you miss those discussions. Spoiler: I was right about that topic, as well.

erod · May 25, 2020

Tyrone Crawford is a very solid player. But this is the Cowboys fanbase, so..........LOL.

He's similar to Tony Tolbert, Chad Hennings, Jimmie Jones, or a latter day Jim Jeffcoat.

Just because you didn't sack the quarterback or make the tackle doesn't mean you didn't impact a play. I know that makes the stat-freaks heads explode, but that is the game. Crawford is good against the run, gets push up the middle inside. He impacts the game.

No, he's not Warren Sapp or Aaron Donald, but that doesn't mean he's not a good player. Hopefully, he'll return from the surgery and be able to play like before.

KingintheNorth · May 26, 2020

Cowboys fans:

Tyrone Crawford lack of stats don't matter! And a $9.1M cap hit is a deal!

Also Cowboys fans:

Jamal Adams only has 2 interceptions? Oh, he's not very good. Plus, we can't pay him $3.5M.

gimmesix · May 26, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Like many, I just don't get the deal with Tyrone Crawford:

-We thought that Marinelli loved Crawford, but it appears the front office is very high on the player.

-Coming off of double hip surgery, team could of release him for big savings or ask him to take a pay cut. Neither happened.

-He offers very little as a pass rusher, more of a run stuffing base DE. Some of his positives, has position flex and is considered one of the leaders in the locker room.

-It appears he is the leading candidate to start at Defensive End.

-Perhaps they like his positional flex implementing a defense that will have multiple fronts.

First off, I think he gets too little credit or too much blame. Our defensive line play slipped last year and one of the reasons was Crawford being hurt. He's not a great pass rusher, especially at end, but he plays with strength when he is called upon to play in and he has good quickness on the inside to be disruptive when he's called upon at 3-tech.

Your last statement gets to the heart of it, I believe, he's a BandAid able to fill-in and contribute inside or outside. That doesn't mean he's the ideal starter at either spot, but while we've been missing on draft picks like Taco Charlton, waiting on Randy Gregory, etc., Crawford has outperformed pretty much any of the starters who have been brought in to replace him.

Ideally, what you'd like to have is some of the young players prove to be better and bump him and his higher salary off the roster, but it just hasn't happened yet.

LatinMind · May 26, 2020

Cowboyny said:
I just don't get it. They could use the cap funds and bring in a legitimate high level starter such as Griffen at the position.

They can do that now with nothing done to crawfords deal. Ever think that Nolan has no interest in him or clowney?

TheSkaven · May 26, 2020

A couple of things:

1) Crawford is a really good fit for Mike Nolan’s defense because he can play a lot of positions

2) It’s no coincidence that Tank’s numbers were much higher when he had Crawford next to him. Lawrence is great coming off a stunts and stunts are one of Crawford’s strengths

3) There’s going to be stiff competition on the defensive line this year so he could still yet be cut.

Last year 10 defensive linemen made the final 53. I think that Lawrence, Poe, McCoy, Aldon Smith, Gregory and Gallimore are locks today make the roster, that’s 6 of the 10.

Also high probability are Anae, Woods and Armstrong. That’s 9.

For reasons 1 and 2 above, I think Crawford makes the team; but if one of the UDFAs makes a serious push, or one of the rookies from last year (Hill, Joe Jackson, Jelks, etc) it could make things interesting.

Stash · May 26, 2020

KingintheNorth said:
Cowboys fans:

Tyrone Crawford lack of stats don't matter! And a $9.1M cap hit is a deal!

Also Cowboys fans:

Jamal Adams only has 2 interceptions? Oh, he's not very good. Plus, we can't pay him $3.5M.

Take a look at the fools who do nothing but rubber stamp and try to justify anything and anyone Cowboys related.

'Zero credibility' is a perfectly apt description of what they're worth on this forum. Reduced to being nothing more than noise.

John813 · May 26, 2020

1. He had double hip surgery to end the year on IR
2. COVID 19 happened and a lot of players have yet to take physicals.
3. The team can't cut Crawford now, if they wanted to, without having him pass a physical.
3a. If he fails one, then they would have to give him an injury settlement
3b. If he passes, then no dead cap hit.
4. His contract isn't guaranteed till after week 1.
5. They may be willing to see how he does in camp before deciding.
6. They can offer a paycut option if he wants to stay
7. Patience. It's still May

Hennessy_King · May 26, 2020

Idgit said:
Ah! And all the defensive coaches have just had his position and ability wrong all this time.

I’d forgotten the real reason, so thanks for reminding me.

he was drafted as a 3-4 end.

cern · May 26, 2020

erod said:
Tyrone Crawford is a very solid player. But this is the Cowboys fanbase, so..........LOL.

He's similar to Tony Tolbert, Chad Hennings, Jimmie Jones, or a latter day Jim Jeffcoat.

Just because you didn't sack the quarterback or make the tackle doesn't mean you didn't impact a play. I know that makes the stat-freaks heads explode, but that is the game. Crawford is good against the run, gets push up the middle inside. He impacts the game.

No, he's not Warren Sapp or Aaron Donald, but that doesn't mean he's not a good player. Hopefully, he'll return from the surgery and be able to play like before.

Tolbert, hennings, jones and Jeffcoat were all better players than Crawford. jmo, of course.

Stash · May 26, 2020

cern said:
Tolbert, hennings, jones and Jeffcoat were all better players than Crawford. jmo, of course.

At least they had specific roles and weren't shoehorned in wherever.

And none of them cost what Crawford does. Another apples to oranges comparison.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 26, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Like many, I just don't get the deal with Tyrone Crawford:

-We thought that Marinelli loved Crawford, but it appears the front office is very high on the player.

-Coming off of double hip surgery, team could of release him for big savings or ask him to take a pay cut. Neither happened.

-He offers very little as a pass rusher, more of a run stuffing base DE. Some of his positives, has position flex and is considered one of the leaders in the locker room.

-It appears he is the leading candidate to start at Defensive End.

-Perhaps they like his positional flex implementing a defense that will have multiple fronts.

right now, even with all the additions, the DL is a mess, the approach has been to throw bodies and #'s at the problem. the only reliable talent on the line is Lawrence. we added a couple of FA at DT position, but both older and have been pretty bad the past two years...they are throwing #'s at the RDE problem including FAs, and draft picks....the hope is that someone will step up...it wouldn't surprise me if Crawford was cut at the end of the camp, if somebody steps up, then we eat the dead cap money in 2020, and not split it between 2020, 2021......but if nobody steps up and Crawford is still better than some of them, he is on the books and you know what needs to be done next year in FA and draft...yes we drafted Gilmore and Anae, but both rookies and we still need more.

Stash · May 26, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
right now, even with all the additions, the DL is a mess, the approach has been to throw bodies and #'s at the problem. the only reliable talent on the line is Lawrence. we added a couple of FA at DT position, but both older and have been pretty bad the past two years...they are throwing #'s at the RDE problem including FAs, and draft picks....the hope is that someone will step up...it wouldn't surprise me if Crawford was cut at the end of the camp, if somebody steps up, then we eat the dead cap money in 2020, and not split it between 2020, 2021......but if nobody steps up and Crawford is still better than some of them, he is on the books and you know what needs to be done next year in FA and draft...yes we drafted Gilmore and Anae, but both rookies and we still need more.

If Poe and McCoy have been "pretty bad the past two years", then Crawford has been atrocious by comparison.

This is a truly uninformed take.

jterrell · May 26, 2020

Dallas can take Crawford to training camp and see how everyone performs and either restructure him or release him.
You have RDE as a total unknown. Gregory isn't reinstated yet. Aldon hasn't put on even a practice jersey.
The fact they haven't already restructured may well be a sign they want to do just that. Test all these guys.
It'd be kinda crappy to TC as a vet leader but the team paid him well last year after his brawl/injury season.

Fans underrate TC by quite a lot but injuries do mean to me he isn't worth 8m.
All that said if he hits free agency he will get a richer deal than most fans realize. I'm guessing 15m in new money at signing.
He has ACTUAL position flex. He is strong enough and big enough to play 3-4 or 4-3 DE. He has enough technique to handle playing straight up or in gaps.
He can do his job in any system.
But he's not going to wow anyone in any system and he is injury prone of late.
Guess all in all I am on board with Dallas wait and see approach.

jterrell · May 26, 2020

stasheroo said:
If Poe and McCoy have been "pretty bad the past two years", then Crawford has been atrocious by comparison.

This is a truly uninformed take.

As of today TC is your starting RDE.
Ideally, he'd be your starting RDE that moves inside on passing downs.

But his legal issues and injuries mean you are rather guessing so no need to commit right now.
Let them all come in and compete.

Whatever you think of TC he has been 1000% better than Gregory or Aldon then past 2 seasons.

jterrell · May 26, 2020

cern said:
Good players get you 8-8. If we can't upgrade from crawford, all is lost.

Dallas "may have" upgraded but we won't know until we see the guys at least practice.
Why should Dallas cut TC today with Gregory being a total unknown and Aldon Smith being sight unseen?

Any DL that had TC as their 6th best guy will be a top 10 NFL DL.

Hennessy_King · May 26, 2020

jterrell said:
Dallas "may have" upgraded but we won't know until we see the guys at least practice.
Why should Dallas cut TC today with Gregory being a total unknown and Aldon Smith being sight unseen?

Any DL that had TC as their 6th best guy will be a top 10 NFL DL.

Lol what? TC is a rotational piece at best. He's limited all across the line. Too small to play inside and no bend and quickness to put pressure on the qb consistently. I would say any defense that has him starting probably has a bad defense which this team has had for most of his career starting.

kskboys · May 26, 2020

cern said:
Tolbert, hennings, jones and Jeffcoat were all better players than Crawford. jmo, of course.

Jeffcoat shouldn't be in that list. He was a stud starter who played for bad teams most of his career. He had 10 sacks on our 93 super bowl team, but wasn't noticed due to having so much talent. Top 30 all time in career sacks.

Stash · May 26, 2020

jterrell said:
As of today TC is your starting RDE.

Which would be beyond terrible. Do you know how many sacks Crawford has from that position? Few, if any, actually do.

Ideally, he'd be your starting RDE that moves inside on passing downs.

I see nothing "ideal" about that.

But his legal issues and injuries mean you are rather guessing so no need to commit right now.
Let them all come in and compete.

I'm nit letting Crawford 'compete' and risk more injury at the current $9 million contract.

Whatever you think of TC he has been 1000% better than Gregory or Aldon then past 2 seasons.

Gregory and Smith didn't cost me $10 million for next to nothing last year or $9 million this year.

Any way anyone wants to spin this, it's not good.

What's the deal with Tyrone Crawford

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