I was just wondering if it's the older fans who see what I see in Dak

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I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.
 

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I'm 49 and can clearly see how good, talented and valuable Dak is. Dak definitely has among the best leadership skills, definitely makes the team better and most certainly has the "it" factor. I'm not the only one who sees and believes this.

So does Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Mike McCarthy, Will McClay, all of the Cowboys coaches, staff and players, other highly successful/knowledgeable and experienced coaches like Bill Belichick, Sean Payton, Sean McVay, Jason Garrett, Mike Martz, Rob Ryan, Jimmy Johnson, lifelong one of the best scouts ever Gil Brandt, etc and even other ex-players like Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, Deion Sanders, Kurt Warner, LaDainian Tomlinson, etc and many more.

Everyone sees how Dak has gotten so much better every year. In my respectful opinion, maybe you simply don't want to see what the greatest minds in NFL football see?
 
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Seriously, he led a talented team to 8-8 last season and went completely AWOL in 3 of them, losing the division, Seriously

But - but - but - he's 40-24 in 4 seasons. Wait - we're not saying he deserves a big pay raise because of his record. Or was it he deserves a big pay raise because of his mostly meaningless garbage time stats. Or are we still comparing him to Romo? Then there is this gem - last season was all on Garrett.

The argument changes daily.....
 

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Seriously, he led a talented team to 8-8 last season and went completely AWOL in 3 of them, losing the division, Seriously

He was fine during that Philly game too. If he was so bad, that he couldn't throw the ball... then maybe he should have said so. Rush would not have been any worse, and may have been a better choice, if he was in such bad shape.

I dunno... saw Romo win a game with a broken rib, and punctured lung... just sayin lol.
 

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Seriously, he led a talented team to 8-8 last season and went completely AWOL in 3 of them, losing the division, Seriously

I cant agree with this post more. We were led to an 8-8 year. Them is some intangibles.

But , you know, if someone states that they are not sold on Dak ; then he is labeled a hater. I like Dak. Do I wish he was better...YES. And I will state right here that while many of us ( me included) are hesitant to throw 35 or more million at Dak; ..35 will be a bargain in a very short time my friends. In 4 years Qb's will be making that look like chicken feed.

Apologies to OP if I went a little astray on topic
 

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I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.
I am close to your age. I can remember Roger S having bad games now and then. Bad enough that I wanted to see what Danny White could do. I can remember Danny having some games now and then that I was calling for Gary Hogeboom. When Hogeboom got his chance, I was ready to go back to Danny as starting QB. Troy Aikman usually had a game or two each year where it seemed like a wet football messed with his head and he played like crap in said games as a result. My point is, yeah Dak isn't perfect, but none of those other guys were either, and we can win playoff games with him. Is he wanting too much money? YES!, but all NFL players do, especially QB's. jmo.
 

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I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

It's nothing personal it's just business as the Godfather said a long time ago.
The kid tries hard but simply does not have the God-given talent for the Job.
And this is no normal NFL job this is the no 1 position in the entire NFL.....QB of America's team!
We are hungry and desperate (25 Years ain't chop liver hungry) and Dak as much as he means well is not the one....PERIOD!
The sooner management realizes and accepts this fact the better our odds of breaking the hunger and feeding the beast.
That's all for now....
 

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I'm 73 leeblair and don't see it the way you see it so don't generalize regarding age. Too many professional coaches and players have stated that Dak definitely has "it" and is a great leader. Read Aikman's recent comments regarding Dak along with comments from Sean Lee when they ran into each other in California.
 

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I hardly ever post in any Dak threads because I'm exhausted reading the same things said over and over again and refuse to get into this thing where you either love Dak or hate him If you support either side of a debate. I will say, despite certain issues he may have, Dak as leader never was a concern to me.

I think you've seen guys genuinely support him and believe in his ability to get the job done. As for having the "it" factor so to speak, you cant measure that but I would say if it was simply a yes or no in terms of that, then yes he was what it takes in terms of leadership.

My issues/worries with him are simply mechanics at times or missing throws that he physically can make but doesnt. Not leading receivers or over/under throwing passes that could be game changers. He is also the guy who, with his run in a Seattle playoff game, showed you that he isnt afraid to put himself out there to try and do whatever it takes to win. I don't think hes got the strongest arm or is ever going to dissect the field the way Peyton Manning could but that doesnt mean he doesnt have what it takes to win. I'd say age has nothing to do with your feeling but then again I'm younger then you and could be way off.
 

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It's Dak's arm talent that is what he is mainly questioned on. Specifically his accuracy and timing when having to throw down the field.

It used to be that he held onto the ball too long. Which that does not seem to be the case anymore. So he throws more TD's now, an acceptable amount more INT's but fumbles and gets sacked far much less. There is improvement there and evidence of an ascending player which is what you should get by year 4.

Improvisation, Dak has it and you see it more in his legs and when he is throwing it on the run. Improvisation is there but yes Dak plays closer to the system and game plans vest than a Brett Favre or Tony Romo. A Patrick Mahomes. But again, improvisation is there.

If there are 2 things Dak Prescott should not be questioned on is his leadership and toughness. He has top tier values in both those measurable's.

Now that IT thing which is he a guy who can win? Yes, he has shown that. Can he get us past a couple of playoff games? I think so as we saw against Seattle 2 seasons ago.

What is the biggest thing out of everything written in this thread is does he make his teammates better and that has to do with leadership and IT as well and I do believe they all want to play hard for and with the guy. Can he elevate them to be a more productive player? He has to be able to do that within himself before he can be asked to do anymore of that with the others and that's where this contract is a hold up.

Is he that guy who makes every better around him like Russell Wilson or Aaron Rogers? If he is than he deserves to be paid closely to them. As he would be able to eventually bring us a championship like those 2 did.
 

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I'm 49 and can clearly see how good, talented and valuable Dak is. Dak definitely has among the best leadership skills, definitely makes the team better and most certainly has the "it" factor. I'm not the only one who sees and believes this.

So does Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Mike McCarthy, Will McClay, all of the Cowboys coaches, staff and players, other highly successful/knowledgeable and experienced coaches like Bill Belichick, Sean Payton, Sean McVay, Jason Garrett, Mike Martz, Rob Ryan, Jimmy Johnson, lifelong one of the best scouts ever Gil Brandt, etc and even other ex-players like Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, Deion Sanders, Kurt Warner, LaDainian Tomlinson, etc and many more.

Everyone sees how Dak has gotten so much better every year. In my respectful opinion, maybe you simply don't want to see what the greatest minds in NFL football see?
Everyone you just mentioned has been chiming in regularly, yet the Cowboys still haven't been to the Super Bowl since 1995.
With that kind of expertise, you would think they could have righted the ship a long time ago if their opinions were the science of football.
But, since they haven't helped, and the Cowboys franchise continues to spin wildly down a tube, I'll trust my judgement as much as any of theirs.
Sometimes a view from the cheap seats gives a more accurate perspective.
 

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Dak has way Too many questionable or flat out bad games at crucial times . He has to be doubted . Going 1-6 last season against winning teams is a horrendous look .
Last 3 years He had way too many games with no TDs ( New England , eagles , saints etc ) and the zero points against the colts in 2018 . Losses to the jets and bears last season. . He has flows that cannnot be ignored .
Great QBs don’t have the above on their resumes .
 

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I seriously can't take you serious if you say that leadership is Dak's greatest strength.
Well, I take you not taking me seriously as a compliment.

If you want a homework assignment, google Dak leadership and see what is said about his leadership.

I get people having some doubt about his talent. Questioning his leadership is absurd. That is akin to people questioning Zeke’s durability.
 
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