I was just wondering if it's the older fans who see what I see in Dak

CowboyRoy · May 26, 2020

Sandyf said:
Guess at 68 almost 69 that I have seen as much as anyone on the board. Went to my first game and Eddie LeBaron and second game with Don Meredith, so yes been around for awhile. Is Dak as good as Staubach or Aikman or Romo or White? Is he like some of those others mentioned? Really depends on what you are looking at to decide. I see a guy that does command respect in the huddle much like Staubach and Meredith. I see his throws as good as any of them and better than many. Danny White was probably our best deep passer I saw with the Cowboys and I know that will bring a lot of criticism but it is what I saw. He (White) just never commanded the huddle.

Many will only rate a QB by how many Super Bowls or playoff wins he has been anyone who loves football knows that isn't what makes a great QB, great team sure, but not a great QB. Dak has the skills and the athleticism to be one of the greats and one trait is that he is always working to get better. You just do not see that a lot in some of the young QBs coming up nor some of those that have been around for a while. Everything is always subject to debate.

What I see with Dak, is the ability to be productive every year especially with McCarthy as coach so we don't suffer through the 1998 through 2010+ years again. The board is going to always be split on Dak as it always is with any Dallas QB and that's okay, everyone of us has a right to an opinion but all I care about is Dallas winning games and actually having a chance at the playoffs even going into the last regular season game. Sure I want more Super Bowls, tell what team's fan don't. Just like to keep it real. For my money Dak is the Cowboys QB for the next 10 years, I hope. Others will disagree and that's alright.

Well said.

CowboyRoy · May 26, 2020

cern said:
zeke's worth his money. every penny. and his contract was very smartly written by Stephen.

I woudlnt have paid him. He would have been worth more to us as a trade chip.

If we can really get out after two more years, then I agree THAT part is well written.

Rayman70 · May 26, 2020

people often forget Stephen Jones was an attorney first. Not sure he still is..but yeah, the dude is pretty savvy.

Hawkeye19 · May 26, 2020

leeblair said:
I can agree with this premise.
I just don't want to see the Cowboys gut the salary cap and be wrong about him.
It's not that I hate Dak; I think he's a great player. But it takes more than stats to win a Super Bowl.

He and his agent are over-valuing their position and asking for more than they are worth— typical stance to take considering their leverage. I am glad Dallas is standing pat and even if he plays under the tag— I am good.

joshjwp · May 26, 2020

I'm 35 and I'm kinda in the middle on the Dak debate. I think he's a good to great leader. I love his athleticism and he seems to be a winner. The main thing I don't like is his lack of pocket awareness. That is what I miss about Romo the most. Romo could always feel the rush coming and would get away from it with much less athleticism than Dak. Dak rarely seems to feel it coming. So, yeah I would put that under the awareness category.

75boyz · May 26, 2020

leeblair said:
I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

Nice post.
Im 55 with a military, education and athletics background.
Cowboy fanhood similar to yours.
The internet has a large mix of forum posters of diverse backgrounds.
These different message boards do not require specific criteria in order to offer one's opinions on the subject matter at hand.

Who is to say who is more qualified than whom to offer up an opinion.

With that being said, the context of opinions shared does reveal individual behavioral traits that are telling. It is not too difficult to see who may or may not have played coached or otherwise been vested in at least a modicum of football and/or athletics background. In contrast I realize there have also been incredible coaches who never actually played as an example as well.

But back to the OP, I share your opinion on this post.

big dog cowboy · May 26, 2020

basel90 said:
Going 1-6 last season against winning teams is a horrendous look .

So all those losses are on Dak?

Vagabond · May 26, 2020

shabazz said:
Seriously, he led a talented team to 8-8 last season and went completely AWOL in 3 of them, losing the division, Seriously

Our Savior has risen from the dead and is now a Cowboy.

cern · May 26, 2020

Rayman70 said:
people often forget Stephen Jones was an attorney first. Not sure he still is..but yeah, the dude is pretty savvy.

never heard that. he degree was in chemical engineering.

Rayman70 · May 26, 2020

cern said:
never heard that. he degree was in chemical engineering.

maybe I have him mixed up with the other brother

mcmvp · May 26, 2020

Bobhaze said:
I’m 62 and have been a Cowboys fan for 56 years. I have seen every Cowboys starting QB since Don Meredith. I believe Dak Prescott is a really good QB who is in my opinion, too often inaccurately criticized by some Cowboys fans. Dak is as good or better than dozens of NFL QBs who have led their teams to SB victories.

There have only been 33 SB winning QBs...so this statement is more than a stretch

cowboygo · May 26, 2020

Nav22 said:
What a terrible response. Embarrassing.

Drew Brees went 7-9 for 3 straight years with the Saints. Did that have you questioning his “leadership”? Or is football a TEAM sport?

And this is why I'm glad lots of people on this board aren't running the team. Lots of years watching football, without knowing whats going on. Cherry picks one year lol.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 26, 2020

leeblair said:
I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

another nonsense, looking for attention troll post from the resident alcoholic, former jailbird of the cowboys forum...

a whhore looking for attention....

you notice, he questioned Dak's leadership, the one thing everyone agrees he has and is far and above better than most...funny, before you questioned his ability, but couldn't find an answer to the Garrett dilemma (whom you hated with a passion)…..now you question Dak's leadership because you got nothing else...how long did it take you to come up with this one...

like I said, you are a two time divorced, former criminial and alcoholic who is pretending to be a cowboys fan, with all you doing is looking for attention....

we needed another one of your drivel ridden posts...which is exactly like the previous one...

you are so predictable.

btw, wasn't it your opinion that Tashard Choice was as good as Emmitt Smith

you are a pathetic LOSER in life...you have NOTHING. you are NOTHING. your kids won't even talk to you...pathetic pathetic pathetic

OmerV · May 26, 2020

leeblair said:
I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

Pat Haden? lol Are you actually trying to be serious?

And no, he's not Joe Montana, Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, John Elway or Brett Favre. Do you really think those kinds of at or very close to the best of the best in NFL history QB's grow on trees in the vacant lot down the street? Those kinds of QBs are very rare and very much a luxury, and far and away most teams have to try and win without one.

It's nonsensical to name NFL royalty and complain because Dak isn't that level. Should we dump Zack Martin because he isn't as good as Larry Allen?

But Dak certainly is as good as guys like Doug Williams, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Danny White and yes, even Pat Haden. :facepalm:

Rockport · May 26, 2020

leeblair said:
I seriously can't take you serious if you say that leadership is Dak's greatest strength.

I’m with the Italian. Anyone who doesn’t think Dak is a leader, well they just have no clue and are just d sad peeing non sense to troll the board.

Qcard · May 26, 2020

“I think Dak is a really good quarterback,” Hall of Famer and two-time Super Bow champion Roger Staubach said on Tiki & Tierney. “His own teammates, they really respect him. First of all, he’s a good athlete and he’s confident, but you got to transfer your confidence to your teammates, and he’s got that team behind him because he’s made big plays.”

leeblair said:
I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

I respect the honest question. There is always a generational gap and my best hope is that the Great players bridge the gap.

Here is a podcast. Roger Staubach interview after Jets loss. The quotes are undeniable. "Dak is Special"...."Dak will be one of the best in the League"...."I earned $25k as a rookie"

https://omny.fm/shows/tiki-and-tierney/roger-staubach-former-dallas-cowboys-quarterback-v?t=5m49s

Give the.kid a chance..Dak has earned it. If Dak era fails all Hail Fields or Lawrence or whichever next QB takes the mantle

DanA · May 26, 2020

Dak has some weaknesses:

He IMO is still below average on the back shoulder fade and other finesse type passes
He's still got improvement left commanding the LOS
He can do more to make team mates accountable as a leader rather than good guy
He's got good but not great arm talent

I think what frustrates people is that everybody wants Brett Favre like arm talent and Drew Brees type finesse. Dak doesn't have that but he's still a franchise QB who is gonna be a hell of a good player and IMO when all is said and done he will be better than the vast majority of starting QB's. Maybe not Brees, Rodgers or Brady but I bet he finishes his career recognized as better than Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, and Carson Wentz.

DandyDon52 · May 26, 2020

acr731 said:
But - but - but - he's 40-24 in 4 seasons

leave off the 1st wonder season, and he is 27-21 the last 3 seasons!
that breaks down to 9-7 avg last 3 seasons.

sean10mm · May 26, 2020

Dak's physical talent is actually perfectly fine. He's not as good as 1996 Brett Favre, but he's far from the Alex Smith flabby arm type either. Being durable as hell so far is part of his physical talent, of course.

By all firsthand accounts his leadership ability is fine. He's not a guy who is not-so-secretly hated by his teammates like Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger. Of course that's a hint that "leadership" is overrated provided you can play.

His actual limitations are basically all matters of technique and timing. If he shaves fractions of a second off his reads and hones his mechanics he's easily among the better QBs in the league. The gap between where he is and the top of the league is actually quite narrow on paper, because the gap between OK and elite in the NFL is measured in inches and tenths of seconds. It's here that McCarthy's value might be the most pronounced, because Aaron Rodgers need to massively retool his mechanics coming out of college, a process that McCarthy oversaw a large part of.

DandyDon52 said:
leave off the 1st wonder season, and he is 27-21 the last 3 seasons!
that breaks down to 9-7 avg last 3 seasons.

Why not leave out all his good plays, then he will look really bad!

conner01 · May 26, 2020

leeblair said:
I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

No
It’s just you

I was just wondering if it's the older fans who see what I see in Dak

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