I was just wondering if it's the older fans who see what I see in Dak

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u are right, but that was the only way to get a new HC.
Yea, I get that.

If I were the GM I'd blow up the whole thing and start over if I thought that happened. You will never win a thing with a team that would pull that crap with a division title on the line.

I am glad Garrett is gone though.
 

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Thats fair. If I were Dak, I'd bet on myself and play on the tag, I bet its what his agent has suggested is a favorable option to maximize earnings.The more he waits, the more chances the price goes higher if/when Watson or Mahomes get extensions. Thats the main concern in reaching a long-term contract ASAP. I don't see much urgency on Dak's camp. He's gonna have the best weapons he's had so far in his career, hes gonna put gaudy numbers.Will be hard to attribute it all to the supporting cast if he becomes an MVP candidate. and if the wins come with it, hes gonna be paid soso much. Agree its a gamble, I'd rather gamble for the next 3 years with our aging O-Line who won't be playing at a high level forever, than to nurse a rookie and watch him develop while having the available weapons.
Yeah playing on the tag is what I think he is going to do and wants to do, all that money is G and like u say
next year rate on contract could go up. and the offense is looking good for this season.
I think it works out for both sides, cowboys dont have to commit and dak can prove himself in the better
situation.
Jones boys should have offered a short contract, just so they could restructure if needed.
Yea, I get that.

If I were the GM I'd blow up the whole thing and start over if I thought that happened. You will never win a thing with a team that would pull that crap with a division title on the line.

I am glad Garrett is gone though.
well if you were gm , JG probably would have already been gone so it would not have happened.
 

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I woudlnt have paid him. He would have been worth more to us as a trade chip.

If we can really get out after two more years, then I agree THAT part is well written.
Zeke is a happy go lucky, big kid at heart. He's not a dummy or bad person in any way imo. I like those kinds of personalities. Is he a bit immature on occassion? Surely. But he's growing up. Can't deny his abilities.
 
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I an on the fence with Dak, there is something there that doesn't get my full confidence. Seen some good, seen some bad. I know the FO is all in on him and he gets my support but if we go a different direction I'm OK with that too.
 

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Zeke is a happy go lucky, big kid at heart. He's not a dummy or bad person in any way imo. I like those kinds of personalities. Is he a bit immature on occassion? Surely. But he's growing up. Can't deny his abilities.
Give me his talent and money when I was his age and stand back. I would have made Manziel look like a choirboy.

However, I would not have paid that much money to a RB or acquiesced with 2 years left on his rookie deal. That was just one more example of the tail wagging the dog.
 
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We have a QB who’s put himself in a position to make $35 million a year and we have a fan complaining that he lacks the instincts of Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, Dan Pastorini, Ron Jaworski and Pat Haden. Some of you need to get out of the house and get some fresh air. :laugh:
 

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Give me his talent and money when I was his age and stand back. I would have made Manziel look like a choirboy.

However, I would not have paid that much money to a RB or acquiesced with 2 years left on his rookie deal. That was just one more example of the tail wagging the dog.
Given the shortness of a rb career, i fully understand zeke and his agent's position. I doubt it was zeke's idea. As for the front office, i saw it as another of "cheap" stephen doing what's best for the team. Had we known how good pollard would become, the outcome might have been different.
 

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I'm 49 and can clearly see how good, talented and valuable Dak is. Dak definitely has among the best leadership skills, definitely makes the team better and most certainly has the "it" factor. I'm not the only one who sees and believes this.

So does Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Mike McCarthy, Will McClay, all of the Cowboys coaches, staff and players, other highly successful/knowledgeable and experienced coaches like Bill Belichick, Sean Payton, Sean McVay, Jason Garrett, Mike Martz, Rob Ryan, Jimmy Johnson, lifelong one of the best scouts ever Gil Brandt, etc and even other ex-players like Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, Deion Sanders, Kurt Warner, LaDainian Tomlinson, etc and many more.

Everyone sees how Dak has gotten so much better every year. In my respectful opinion, maybe you simply don't want to see what the greatest minds in NFL football see?
This! Respectfully speaking, I strongly disagree with the OP
 

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Pat Haden? lol Are you actually trying to be serious?

And no, he's not Joe Montana, Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, John Elway or Brett Favre. Do you really think those kinds of at or very close to the best of the best in NFL history QB's grow on trees in the vacant lot down the street? Those kinds of QBs are very rare and very much a luxury, and far and away most teams have to try and win without one.

It's nonsensical to name NFL royalty and complain because Dak isn't that level. Should we dump Zack Martin because he isn't as good as Larry Allen?

But Dak certainly is as good as guys like Doug Williams, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Danny White and yes, even Pat Haden. :facepalm:
If you had to watch Pat Haden beat the Cowboys in the 70's like I did, you'd never forget him and have respect for him. The little guy could play, and he made the Rams better in Ray Malavasi's system.
 

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If you had to watch Pat Haden beat the Cowboys in the 70's like I did, you'd never forget him and have respect for him. The little guy could play, and he made the Rams better in Ray Malavasi's system.
In 5 games against the Cowboys Haden had 12 INTs and only 3 TDs, had a 2-3 record and completed less than 50% of his passes in 4 of the 5 games.
 
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I see Dak just needing a competent HC. We have that now. Lets see what happens.
And a one year deal can be justified to see how Dak responds. But I hope they don't commit long term and gut the salary cap.
Dak does all of the mechanically correct moves on the field. It's instinct and his determination to get the team moving when they are floundering that I see a problem with.
I would be in his corner if I hadn't seen his tendency to fold under pressure.
 

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I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.
I’m 58, and on the fence. I love what I’ve seen so far in the area of leadership, maturity, determination, dignity, etc. I also think he’s improved as a QB, and am intrigued by his potential. I truly think we can win with him at QB.

That said, I don’t have the same level of confidence I did with Roger or Troy when it’s the 4th quarter against a good team. Before we give away too much of our cap space away, I wanna see it. I know there are no guarantees, but...
 

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Who was sitting on the sidelines instead of in the game at the end?

You're ok with a team needing one win to clinch the division quiting on the coaches in that very game?

How does an exceptional leader like Dak allow HIS team to quit on the coaches, especially while they are still very much in contention?

There is some stretching going on here but not by me.
this wasn't the first time these coaches were put in position to win the division and came up short. in fact it was the 3rd time....against the same opponent...and every time the coaches came up short. very short.....this coaching staff cost us quite a number of games last year and we should have never been in that position to have to beat philly to win it....they cost us the minn, NE and Saints game.....I am not willing to dismiss the coaches who should carry most of the fault here, given we are now hearing about the coaching divisions in the locker room and on the team...

you want to blame Dak, because it supports your view, in lieu of the contract discussions...then by all means do. you want to excuse the coaches. please, by all means do. but facts don't change that this coaching staff failed, failed misreably and has been failing for a very long time, given players had to over come a lot of bad coaching.
 

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Given the shortness of a rb career, i fully understand zeke and his agent's position. I doubt it was zeke's idea. As for the front office, i saw it as another of "cheap" stephen doing what's best for the team. Had we known how good pollard would become, the outcome might have been different.
Most RB's have short careers, they didn't have to give in but Pollard is not the same back as Elliott. What I do wonder is if they'd known they were changing HC's to one that does not use the power game, would they have paid that much?
 

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I’m 58, and on the fence. I love what I’ve seen so far in the area of leadership, maturity, determination, dignity, etc. I also think he’s improved as a QB, and am intrigued by his potential. I truly think we can win with him at QB.

That said, I don’t have the same level of confidence I did with Roger or Troy when it’s the 4th quarter against a good team. Before we give away too much of our cap space away, I wanna see it. I know there are no guarantees, but...
Part of that confidence I had with those two QB's was their team, not necessarily them.

I never felt either had to overcome the weakness of the D like Romo and Prescott have had to do. Romo's mindset made him press too much, make each play count. It was new meaning to "situational" football. Every situation meant they had to score.
 

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I am 48 and I respectively disagree with the OP on this. Leadership skills is something Dak has an abundance of.
 

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We have a QB who’s put himself in a position to make $35 million a year and we have a fan complaining that he lacks the instincts of Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, Dan Pastorini, Ron Jaworski and Pat Haden. Some of you need to get out of the house and get some fresh air. :laugh:
No.
We have a quarterback that Jason Garrett put in a position to make $35 million per year. Garrett chose a "yes man" and he gifted him the position, never making him earn it.
Dak never has had to play behind the second string O-line- that is a fact.
He was coddled and protected, and the result is that he chokes when he gets under pressure.
I can't believe you guys haven't seen this.
It's not necessarily his fault, but it happened that way.
He was taught in the scheme and incompetence of Garrett's coaching.
And it's showed up in his playing.
 

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I seriously question the thought process when someone states that leadership is one of Daks' strengths. Please show me the times in big games against solid competition that Dak has exhibited this leadership. Those seem to be the times where he hasnt taken on the mantel of leadership. Leadership...bahhh.
 

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Well, I take you not taking me seriously as a compliment.

If you want a homework assignment, google Dak leadership and see what is said about his leadership.

I get people having some doubt about his talent. Questioning his leadership is absurd. That is akin to people questioning Zeke’s durability.
Dak literally has a master's degree in leadership from Mississippi State. Anyone that questions his leadership I automatically label a person with an agenda or poor judgment skills.

Anyone that's been reading this board for a while knows the OP is full of crap just about every time he posts. At this point I try to ignore everything he posts.

Age is clearly not a component in how posters see Dak. Football fans of all ages are still going to have their own opinion about players.
 
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