Video: Dak doesn’t deserve long term deal until SB win

Jstopper said:

sir you do realize the cba doesn’t allow you to renegotiate after a players rookie season right?

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That's not true. It mandates what you can pay on the rookie scale but it does not prevent a rookie not already making maxed rookie money from getting a raise to that maxed rookie money. After his third season, he was eligible for an extension and they still failed to act. You can stop making excuses for the Jones boy's abuse of Dak. It's about damn time Dak dished out some abuse of his own to the Jones pocketbook.

JoeKing said:

Pay attention, I didn't say extension. I said "better contract" as in rip up his rookie deal and pay him better. It's not about what he was eligible for, it's about doing what's right. The league mandates what you can pay on the rookie scale but Dak's rookie contract was hardly maxed rookie money. That's what he deserved.

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Rookie contracts are set in stone for 3 years. You can't do anything to them until after the third season except for cutting.

ksg811 said:

Rookie contracts are set in stone for 3 years. You can't do anything to them until after the third season except for cutting.

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You're not getting it. Call it a bonus but they could have found a way to show their appreciation by paying him more.

Dak_Attack_09 said:

Jerry and McClay should make Dak play under the franchise tag and make him prove that he is worth big contract by winning a SB. No excuses. DO NOT CAVE IN.

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THE CENTER CANNOT HOLD.

JoeKing said:

You're not getting it. Call it a bonus but they could have found a way to show their appreciation by paying him more.

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It's not about appreciation, it's about performance. They could have extended him earlier, but decided to not offer him a competitive contract and further evaluate. Now they have laid their bed. If he plays on the tag this year, it will be the same convo next year, but talking even more money.

Jake said:

He tried that in his very first playoff game. Brought the team back from down 18 to tie it late and we know what happened next. I guess he couldn't "will" the defense.

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Perhaps there just wasn't enough cap available to go out and get guys on the Defensive side of the ball because we were paying Tony to much because we had signed him to a terrible deal?

JoeKing said:

You're not getting it. Call it a bonus but they could have found a way to show their appreciation by paying him more.

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Article 7, Section 3, Subsection k, paragraph i of the CBA:

"A Rookie Contract for a Drafted Rookie may not be renegotiated, amended or altered in any way until after the final regular season game of the player’s third contract year."

JoeKing said:

You're not getting it. Call it a bonus but they could have found a way to show their appreciation by paying him more.

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Until after the third year, that could/would be construed as circumventing the cba. Ergo, it is not allowed.

JoeKing said:

Dak deserved a better contract after his rookie season. The Jones boys messed up when that did not happen. Making him stick to that 4th rounder deal for 4 years sent a message to Dak that has him squeezing every penny he can get out of his current negotiations. The Jones boys created this mess.

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True, but under the CBA rules Dak wasn’t eligible to get a new contract until after his 3rd season. That was the huge blunder the team made, not signing him immediately to a long term deal at that point.

Denim Chicken said:

It's not about appreciation, it's about performance. They could have extended him earlier, but decided to not offer him a competitive contract and further evaluate. Now they have laid their bed. If he plays on the tag this year, it will be the same convo next year, but talking even more money.

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If it's about performance then they should have appreciated it by finding a way to pay him more. You are right about them making their bed, which is just another way of saying they created the situation, which is my point, to begin with.

ksg811 said:

Article 7, Section 3, Subsection k, paragraph i of the CBA:

"A Rookie Contract for a Drafted Rookie may not be renegotiated, amended or altered in any way until after the final regular season game of the player’s third contract year."

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That doesn't have anything to do with giving him a bonus, it's just base pay.

Dak_Attack_09 said:

Jerry and McClay should make Dak play under the franchise tag and make him prove that he is worth big contract by winning a SB. No excuses. DO NOT CAVE IN.

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You don’t even know if you are coming or going…

JoeKing said:

That doesn't have anything to do with giving him a bonus, it's just base pay.

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It has to do with everything. You can't arbitrarily assign players bonuses. If that's the case, why not just sign Dak to a 5 year vet minimum deal and just give him a $35 million bonus every year just to be nice and show him your appreciation? Anything and everything to do with player compensation has to be stipulated within a contract, of which rookie deals can not be altered in any way until after the player's third season.

JJHLH1 said:

True, but under the CBA rules Dak wasn’t eligible to get a new contract until after his 3rd season. That was the huge blunder the team made, not signing him immediately to a long term deal at that point.

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Why was it a blunder? They tried to sign him. He didn't want to sign an extension.

cern said:

Until after the third year, that could/would be construed as circumventing the cba. Ergo, it is not allowed.

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Paying an offset to a player on rookie deal is done all the time.

JJHLH1 said:

True, but under the CBA rules Dak wasn’t eligible to get a new contract until after his 3rd season. That was the huge blunder the team made, not signing him immediately to a long term deal at that point.

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They could have still paid him a bonus after his third season.

Yoshimitsu said:

Most other lol. Who? 5 guys outta 32 lol.
You just be talking out your ***. Didnt even take the time to actually name them. Prolly because you really dont know.

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are you simple?
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/

Top Paid in 2020:
Wilson - 2 SB appearances - 1 win
BigBen - 3 SB appearances - 2 wins
Aaron Rodgers - 1 SB appearance - 1 win
Bad Goff - 1 SB appearance
Kirk Cousins - 0 appearances
Carson Wentz - 1 SB appearance - 1 win (we all know the story)
Dak - LOL

Everyone below is making less than $30m this season

Matt Ryan - 1 appearance
Ryan Tannehill - LOL (I'll state again, just because some team was dumb enough to pay him doesn't mean we have to fall in line)
Jacoby Brissett - LOL
Jimmy Garoppolo - 1 SB appearance
Stafford - 0 appearances
Derek Carr - 0 apperances
Drew Brees - 1 SB appearance
Tom Brady - don't need to say anything

I don't know where you want to draw the line for "top paid QBs" but it's clear most of the top paid are at least making it to the Super Bowl. Excluding Dak 5 of the top 6 appeared in one. Buy yeah, let's pay Dak because it means we'll have more success with him than ever before...dude is never going to have a better opportunity with so many 1st round picks surrounding him, but the excuses will roll for him if the offense can't steamroll their way to a championship.

Some of you would rather just argue just to be on Daks side, it's pathetic.

Dak_Attack_09 said:

Jerry and McClay should make Dak play under the franchise tag and make him prove that he is worth big contract by winning a SB. No excuses. DO NOT CAVE IN.

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Troll

ksg811 said:

It has to do with everything. You can't arbitrarily assign players bonuses. If that's the case, why not just sign Dak to a 5 year vet minimum deal and just give him a $35 million bonus every year just to be nice and show him your appreciation? Anything and everything to do with player compensation has to be stipulated within a contract, of which rookie deals can not be altered in any way until after the player's third season.

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You can't do as you suggest because Dak would never accept vet minimum deal, not because it's prohibited.

ABQCOWBOY said:

Why was it a blunder? They tried to sign him. He didn't want to sign an extension.

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Jerry should have tried harder, even it it meant overpaying Dak. They would still be in a better position now if they had done that, particularly salary cap wise which is what matters most. Plus it would have avoided the never-ending distraction.

Dak also had an incentive to sign after year 3 since he wouldn’t be taking the risk of playing out his cheap rookie contract. He also had a more reasonable agent back then.

Well-managed teams almost never let their QB’s play out their contract if they intend to keep them.

But it’s too late for that now.