I was just wondering if it's the older fans who see what I see in Dak

leeblair said:

No.
We have a quarterback that Jason Garrett put in a position to make $35 million per year. Garrett chose a "yes man" and he gifted him the position, never making him earn it.
Dak never has had to play behind the second string O-line- that is a fact.
He was coddled and protected, and the result is that he chokes when he gets under pressure.
I can't believe you guys haven't seen this.
It's not necessarily his fault, but it happened that way.
He was taught in the scheme and incompetence of Garrett's coaching.
And it's showed up in his playing.

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cowboygo said:

its what happens when the gameplan is to play not to lose. Hopefully MM has a killer instinct.

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starfan1 said:

There’s some value in being smart and still taking risks

Jamis Winston comes to mind about bn to much of a risk taker . Early on Romo and Favre all poor examples imo

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zerofill said:

He was fine during that Philly game too. If he was so bad, that he couldn't throw the ball... then maybe he should have said so. Rush would not have been any worse, and may have been a better choice, if he was in such bad shape.

I dunno... saw Romo win a game with a broken rib, and punctured lung... just sayin lol.

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CouchCoach said:

Part of that confidence I had with those two QB's was their team, not necessarily them.

I never felt either had to overcome the weakness of the D like Romo and Prescott have had to do. Romo's mindset made him press too much, make each play count. It was new meaning to "situational" football. Every situation meant they had to score.

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leeblair said:

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

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superonyx said:

I find it hard to criticize a guy for his throwing mechanics right after he threw for 4900 yards, 65% completion percentage and a qb rating of 99.7.
He also has 21 rushing TD's in 4 years.

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

this wasn't the first time these coaches were put in position to win the division and came up short. in fact it was the 3rd time....against the same opponent...and every time the coaches came up short. very short.....this coaching staff cost us quite a number of games last year and we should have never been in that position to have to beat philly to win it....they cost us the minn, NE and Saints game.....I am not willing to dismiss the coaches who should carry most of the fault here, given we are now hearing about the coaching divisions in the locker room and on the team...

you want to blame Dak, because it supports your view, in lieu of the contract discussions...then by all means do. you want to excuse the coaches. please, by all means do. but facts don't change that this coaching staff failed, failed misreably and has been failing for a very long time, given players had to over come a lot of bad coaching.

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superonyx said:

I find it hard to criticize a guy for his throwing mechanics right after he threw for 4900 yards, 65% completion percentage and a qb rating of 99.7.
He also has 21 rushing TD's in 4 years.

I think people question Dak due to him not looking smooth in his release. I get it. We have been watching his style for 4 years now. He is a guy that performs better than he looks performing. At some point you just have to accept it. He may never be Mahommes or even Rodgers with his arm. However I don't believe thats the only part of this team sport that matters. QB's with great arms fail every year (take Weeden). Of all positions the QB is the guy who will mentally succeed or fail.

I rarely chime in on a Dak thread. These things are toxic. Same people saying the same thing over and over. No objectivity left. Just a bunch of people repeating themselves.

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Cowboy Lover said:

I also have a little bit of an issue with his ability to change plays. Did he get better in 2019? Not sure.

I know....I just risked Dak hater label by saying something I am critical of. As someone mentioned earlier....haven't we done this for pretty much all our QB's at one time or another. Sure SB's can alleviate that but we got none.
And I think that's okay....When the star helmet goes on the head, when the cleats hit the turf those are OUR guys out there.

I think when you call players names, and call fans of the players names...and try to incessantly convince fans they need to hate players as much as you do....there's a problem.

(not you ejk, you in general)

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leeblair said:

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

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Williamsboys said:

Signing Dak for the big money then if he flops is going to set this team back years. We're already like 27 years not only from a Super Bowl win but also a Super Bowl appearance. I almost wish we give him a Two Year contract , like a bridge deal, see how far he can take this very improved team with new coaches, players and hopefully a new attitude. Let him prove himself, then he gets the big money long term deal.

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leeblair said:

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

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leeblair said:

No.
We have a quarterback that Jason Garrett put in a position to make $35 million per year. Garrett chose a "yes man" and he gifted him the position, never making him earn it.
Dak never has had to play behind the second string O-line- that is a fact.
He was coddled and protected, and the result is that he chokes when he gets under pressure.
I can't believe you guys haven't seen this.
It's not necessarily his fault, but it happened that way.
He was taught in the scheme and incompetence of Garrett's coaching.
And it's showed up in his playing.

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CouchCoach said:

I am not sure what age has to do with this because as I've aged, I haven't necessarily become more astute in evaluating QB's. I have watched him play most of his games, starting in his junior year at Miss St.

I also don't get any dig at Prescott's leadership, even the Dakaters give him that.

Do I wish he was more consistently accurate and maybe not as careful with the ball? Yep, but that's his game. I think the main reason he is careful with the ball is because how he got his starting job in high school, college and the NFL. Never good enough to beat the other guys out but good enough to keep those guys on the bench when they did come back. I tell ya, if there is a grade for instilling confidence in your child, Prescott's Mom gets an A+.

There are two things about Dak Prescott that really got my attention and the second one is really hard to explain. One, he understands the QB role as well as any NFL QB, and better than most. He understands it is to win the game, it's not about stats, it's about leading his team and executing the offense and utilizing the weapons. And he wasn't weapon rich in college.

Two, the intangibles. How in the hell does a guy get the QB1 job in high school, college and pros the same exact way and not lose it back? I saw an interview with Dan Mullen, his Miss St. HC, and he was at a loss for words and said that if Prescott had played that way to get the job, he might have won it outright. His high school coach said the same thing. When he got the call to take over, he shifted into this other QB.

Has he got flaws? Sure. Is he the worst starting QB? No, not by a long shot.

When in the hell did Cowboys fans become so entitled that they feel they have to have some stud QB? Like Staubach and Aikman didn't need players around them and both had a hell of a lot more HOFers than Prescott is going to see with his teams. They also had top level D's, the QB's best friend.

Back to that first para up there. I subrogate my opinion about QB's to the ones that have played the position or coached it. I've seen damned few not say he can play the position and the latest is a HC trying to make a come back and prove himself and he's willing to ride with this QB. Good enough for me.

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leeblair said:

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

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Vtwin said:

Oh boy.

You're the only one here trying to lay all responsibility on one party.

The coaching was not good. The team quit with a division tile in reach. Both of those things can be true. I never dismissed the responsibility of the coaching. I stated in this very thread I am glad Garrett is gone. You are the only one dismissing anything here.

Comparing last years team to those teams that lost previous win and in games is ludicrous. I do find it fascinating that in those days the QB took all the heat for those losses. The whole "win and your in" stat was created during that time just to rag on the QB.

The coaching was bad. Does not excuse in any way the Dak "lead" team quitting with all their goals still in reach.

Blaming the coaches for everything helps you support your position on Dak but it doesn't change the other very relevant facts.

Leaders don't quit nor do they tolerate quitters. Leadership 101.

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

rush would not have been any worse

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