Week 16 Loss at Eagles May Turn Out To Be Incredibly Fortuitous

Big_D

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actually Dallas was in the playoff hunt and would have been a tough out that year. Roy Williams caught a slant and went about 40 yards with it before having the ball punched out from behind and recovered by New Orleans. All he needed was the first down and to fall down in bounds and the game was over and he got the ball knocked loose trying to score. New orleans of course went down and scored and then dez screwed up two straight plays and we lost.

Had they beat New Orleans they would have been on their way to the wild card. They would have been 5-7 and in good shape ironically. When wade was fired Pasqualoni played a lot of zone and the defense got better over night. Ratliff and some of the other guys up front really played better under pasqualoni calling plays.

They lost a game at arizona they should not have lost and kitna threw two terrible interceptions before being injured and mcgee having to play. The defense gave up a late score and they lost.

had they beat new orleans though I think they would have had a momentum that might have got them to 8 wins or 9 wins and snuck in the wild card round. That saints team was one of the worst playoff teams ever and they lost to a 7-9 seahawks team.

of course then they would have never drafted Tyron Smith so it all worked out for the best.


They were 1-7 and had zero shot at the playoffs. none at all. Tyron.. another wasted player!! What would've worked out for the best was firing them both on the same day. Instead 9 more years of garbage coaching!
 

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They were 1-7 and had zero shot at the playoffs. none at all. Tyron.. another wasted player!! What would've worked out for the best was firing them both on the same day. Instead 9 more years of garbage coaching!

If williams hung onto the ball on turkey day they would have been 5-7 going into philly in december. They would have had momentum. The saints loss was deflating to the energy they created with the wins over ny and detroit.

100% false they had zero shot at the playoffs.

and if you want to make this post then the correct way to do was firing them after the loss to the eagles in 08. Neither wade phillips nor jason garrett could handle the locker room. They let that stuff creep into the play on the field and they provided one of the worst losses in franchise history vs baltimore.

Mike shanahan could have been hired in 09. Who knows how good they would have been with the talent they had and a coach like that.
 

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Then maybe we should pay Dak for leaving those 14 points on the field. He clearly underthrew Gallup which would have been six and he clearly overthrew Austin which would have been another touchdown. Thank you Dak for all you've done for us:laugh:
 
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If williams hung onto the ball on turkey day they would have been 5-7 going into philly in december. They would have had momentum. The saints loss was deflating to the energy they created with the wins over ny and detroit.

100% false they had zero shot at the playoffs.

and if you want to make this post then the correct way to do was firing them after the loss to the eagles in 08. Neither wade phillips nor jason garrett could handle the locker room. They let that stuff creep into the play on the field and they provided one of the worst losses in franchise history vs baltimore.

Mike shanahan could have been hired in 09. Who knows how good they would have been with the talent they had and a coach like that.


So you expected them to run the table? Even without being mathematically eliminated they had no shot. How often does a team lose 7 of their first 8 and make the playoffs? Neither of them should've been hired in the first place. But the fact that Jerry tried to pin it on Phillips and name Garrett the next HC. Truly pathetic. You knew right there and then this team was in trouble.
 

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The Commanders were trying to lose in week 17. There was no question, all the talk of Bill Callahan wanting revenge was nonsense in the end. They were going to lose the game on purpose if they had to.

Agree, like I have said 100 times before, the skins were not losing that game period to give up the 2nd slot. They were going to do whatever it took to see that happened.
 

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Not according to Bob Sturm's inside sources.

It was far closer to Jerry finding an excuse to keep him than you think. And far, far, scarier.
What were they saying? Jason could've retained his job even if he didn't get to a NFC championship game?
 

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Takes the pressure off.
:laugh:

My favorite was that 'hard fought' 6-0 'victory' over the Eagles 3rd stringers in 2017 that got Garrett another undeserved 'winning season'. We sure showed them!
That is the most embarrassing "win" in Cowboy history.
 

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We'll know if this was fortuitous in a year or three.
Because Lamb was available, we junked our dream plans of taking Chaisson if he somehow fell to us.
No one can blame us...you take the guy at the top of your board... but still, there's no way in hell that WR was the bigger need and we know they really liked Chaisson, who played a position universally considered more valuable.

Time will tell. Hopefully Lamb is a monster for the next 8-10 years.
 

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yup only pone positive comes from a loss that ends your season and it was a new Coaching staff..drafts tend to work out so ceedee or no ceedee IDC its the new staff been long time coming..
 

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We'll know if this was fortuitous in a year or three.
Because Lamb was available, we junked our dream plans of taking Chaisson if he somehow fell to us.
No one can blame us...you take the guy at the top of your board... but still, there's no way in hell that WR was the bigger need and we know they really liked Chaisson at huge need position.

Time will tell. Hopefully Lamb is a monster for the next 8-10 years.

The past decade has proven that WR has almost no correlation to winning a championship. Dallas is talent heavy at WR and in a few years it will be maybe their most expensive position group if cooper is kept on when lamb is extended and of course if gallup is extended also.
 

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The past decade has proven that WR has almost no correlation to winning a championship. Dallas is talent heavy at WR and in a few years it will be maybe their most expensive position group if cooper is kept on when lamb is extended and of course if gallup is extended also.
Yeah. I get why we took him but at the time honestly was not thrilled about it.
I was thinking that we were taking sand to the beach. That possibly, it actually hurt us that he fell. Very , very deep WR class to easily find a WR3.
Lamb is a helluva prospect though. Could be a star
Who knows, maybe Chaisson busts anyway.
 

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What were they saying? Jason could've retained his job even if he didn't get to a NFC championship game?
I dont know what was being said, but I completely but that Jerry would have done anything to keep Garrett around.

He certainly knows the difference between what Garrett tolerated and that of when a real coach is in town.

That's why I cant stand Jerry. He thinks more of his nonsense stories of his credit card getting declined at Love Field is helping the situation. It isnt.
 

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I dont know what was being said, but I completely but that Jerry would have done anything to keep Garrett around.

He certainly knows the difference between what Garrett tolerated and that of when a real coach is in town.

That's why I cant stand Jerry. He thinks more of his nonsense stories of his credit card getting declined at Love Field is helping the situation. It isnt.
Why don't think you think he did this time?
 

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Yeah. I get why we took him but at the time honestly was not thrilled about it.
I was thinking that we were taking sand to the beach. That possibly, it actually hurt us that he fell. Very , very deep WR class to easily find a WR3.
Lamb is a helluva prospect though. Could be a star
Who knows, maybe Chaisson busts anyway.

Lamb looks like a great player without question.

My issue is just Being physical, playing tough smart defense is what wins in the end.

Lamb will sell a ton of jerseys having played at OU, he will bring the cowboys tons of attention off the field on the radio and tv which will hype the team up nationally and he will help them score points. Will he help them win a championship? I don't know but history says no.

I actually think he like so many other cowboys high profile players will be a national villain within two or three seasons. Fans around the country get sick of hearing about the same people over and over but sports radio and tv talk about the same things everyday and one of those things is the cowboys and Lamb is the new shiny object.
 

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Here’s a list of all the pro’s and con’s of that loss:

Pros:
- Jason Garrett’s fate was sealed. ‘Nuff said.

- Winning that week would have prolonged the inevitable, this team and coaching staff had reached the end of the road. Losing 2 weeks later in the Wild Card or in the Divisional could have extended the Garrett tenure. Ew.

- Pick 17 in the 2020 draft. This is a sans Ceedee pro before I get to the obvious. Had we simply lost in the WC round like Philly, we would have been picking at 21 and them at 17. With 15ish real first round graded players every year, the chances at one of those players being available at 17 is high. Trading down or having a player fall in your lap both become very viable options in picks 16-18. At 21, you rarely get as lucky.

-That being said, Ceedee freakin Lamb. Imagine how we would feel if the Eagles got him? I’m glad we lost that game for this reason alone lol.

-This team was a wounded duck on its way down, winning this week would’ve been pointless as we certainly weren’t winning the Super Bowl.

-A culture of coaching ineptitude and a disorganized mess of responsibilities might have finally moved JJ to act like a normal owner. He’s already backed off as GM, and the leash he’s given Mike (a real HC btw) to go out and pick his own staff and impart his philosophy on the draft has been great. If he truly has learned, all the obstacles to deep playoff runs have theoretically been removed.

Cons:
-The way some players are judged after a year that was clearly one in which the coaching staff hit their limit, is severely lacking context. Especially since that week 16 game seems to be the favorite example.

-Never been one to care too much about pundits and fans, but the whole “8-8” Cowboys thing gets old especially when it’s been some time since we’ve been 8-8. How many guys on the roster now were here in ‘13? Now all of a sudden these are all 8-8 guys when the only common denominator between 8-8 and Dallas was Garrett? Gets annoying.

-Finally, acting like Philly is an annual SB lock because they beat us and made the playoffs is such a weird take. Don’t get me wrong they’ve definitely done more recently than us in terms of success, but this is getting laughable. I know they had injuries, but they were 5-7 coming off a loss to Miami. Everyone touts that they made some heroic late season comeback to make the playoffs when they literally beat two of the worst teams in the league and the lame duck Jason Garrett’s, followed by a Wentz injury and WC loss. Yet they are SB favorites by many again and some act like there is a huge gap between us both (Cowherd is the poster boy for this). I’ll take being the underdog but sheesh Philly hasn’t been a juggernaut since 2017 and wasn’t one before that. Solid team, solid FO, not a top SB pick.


In conclusion, that loss might have a huge impact on the future of this division. And to me, is just ahead of the Skins loss in October 2018 that netted us Amari Cooper. Losses that truly became wins.

Whatever was required to get rid of Garrett was worth it. Ceedee was a big bonus on top of that...
 

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Not according to Bob Sturm's inside sources.

It was far closer to Jerry finding an excuse to keep him than you think. And far, far, scarier.

Stephen Jones interrupted a meeting between Jerry and Garrett. SJ showed Jerry the contract McCarthy had just signed. He told Jerry how much it would cost to void the contract and pay Garrett. SJ said that they had not budgeted enough to cover it and it would have to come out of the liquor funds.

Jerry immediately told Garrett to close the door on the way out...(No possibility of Garrett winning vs Johnnie Walker Blue)...
 
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