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Good thought Depth List .
Though i notice that you left out both Brandon Knight and Andy Redmon. (and Knight came in handy when swung out to OT vs Jets)
I guess maybe you're not much of a fan of them as maybe the organization seem to be ?
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I didn't list all players just like at WR or LB.

Brandon Knight managed ok at with 1 start at RT. That's much different than having to play LT as the Swing Tackle.
- He played OG for most of the preseason.

Redmond is unlikely to be a legit contender to start or to be the top game day interior backup.
 

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We have three starting Linebackers and all three have been to a Pro Bowl. Do we need a Pro Bowl backup or something?
All three have injury issues as well. PS I notice you seem to discredit alot of fans comments instead of creating your own once in awhile, you seem to be a very unhappy person..I will pray for you. Get well my friend.
 

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Redmond is unlikely to be a legit contender to start or to be the top game day interior backup.

Mike McCarthy meets Adam Redmond for the first time:

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OFFENSE
- RBs "does " matter . Zeke was clearly worn and beaten down without sufficient help off the bench from backup RB ala Rod Smith
With Pollard in, i never have to worry about that now. i think he's an instinctive natural play maker.

- QB; Should Dak bum his shoulder or gain a concussion, i think Dalton is the best vet backup bus driver in NFL., Gives us a legit chance to still win.

- Swing OT; Cam is better than Fleming, Knight has utility-swing flex to play OT too, and if Williams becomes backup,i'd flex him to at OT.

- TE; who becomes a receiving threat TE if Jarwin gets hurt ? Bell could become a James Hanna type. McKeon/Taumoepeau dark horses ?

- WR; should Lamb get dinged, who capable of subbing for the 3rd WR spot ? Devin Smith ? We need more assurance/reinforcement than that.

- Interior depth- is one of the deepest of quality that i can remember. Either Conner is gonna be a big asset. Knight is promising, Looney is a quality reserve
and even Cam can slip inside
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DEFENSE
- LB depth is still a concern, imo. Why ? we have 2 LBs that have durability questions in Thomas/Gifford whose still very inexperience, Lillard is useless.
(Anaes can a 3-4 OLB edge rusher; he's not a 4-3 coverage LB)

Safety - Wilson unproven but showed promise, Worley/Awuzie to flex adds instant depth and keeps Darian exclusively at SP only.

-DE; Big ? at starting RDE; but i feel great with Gregory/Alden as depth guys; Dorace is JAG as of yet. Anaes needs experience

DT- i like having Gallimore as grooming depth at 3 tech, but as a backup, we need both he and Hill to be able to flex at 1 tech. Why ? Woods durability history
isn't that encouraging. he's gonna get dinged and miss time.

CB - With Diggs, Worley on board, Brown as a slot and Awuzie as a backup i can on board with the depth; but it gets scary if either Brown or Lewis has to
start outside. Robinson just may not developed enough to take a front line task in a pinch year 1
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Punt Returner - i strongly assume Lamb will be primary punt returner. Pollard has zero experience as a PR. Should Lamb get injued who takes over
as the PR ?
Maybe Jordan Lewis? though he has ball security issues and hasn't done so in quite awhile.

IIRC CB Robinson returned some punts in college.

CB: More depth than previously. Not as good at the top spot (maybe) but more depth of players that can legitimately play CB in the NFL.

WR: When have they had more assurances at WR? They didn't really have backups on the outside last season. It's easier to do a "by committee" approach for slot WR than outside including Pollard and more targets for the TE.

DE: Nolan's scheme makes this a bit of an unknown to us as fans. He likes hybrid DE/LB types on one side.

LB: In a standard 4-3 the 3rd LB only plays about 30% of the snaps. They have 4 options for 2.3 positions plus possibilities with young players like Gifford.

DT: Poe and Woods are the 1tech DTs. That's more depth at 1tech than they had since going back to the 4-3 in 2013.

Safety: Playing a base 2-deep Safety scheme makes it more feasible to play big CBs at Safety. There is less "see the entire field" requirements than a single high FS and less in the box physicality than a box SS.

TE: How often did they have a legit receiving option behind Witten during his prime?

OT: Coming back from injury and being the incumbent LG might limit the chances of CW at OT. Signing Erving kept it from being a critical issue. I would have been OK with Knight if the swing tackle only had to play RT, but it more likely that Tyron will miss games than La'el. Mitch Hyatt has better "feet" to play LT than Knight but Hyatt was physically very weak in the preseason.

QB: Dalton would likely have started game 16 last season with Dak's shoulder problem being an obvious problem.
 

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The Cowboys have managed to obtain impressive depth on the roster.

CB (not wow at the top but might hard to cut down to 5)
Awuzie
Brown
Diggs
Worley
Robinson
Westry
Burton
Canady
Goodwin
S.Smith
Lewis

DT:
McCoy
Poe
Woods
Gallimore
Hill
Bonus: Crawford can play DT if needed.

LB:
Jaylon
LVE
Lee
Joe Thomas (solid 4th LB. Reminds me of Hitchens)
Gifford (A standout in the preseason last year)
Bonus: Anae can play LB or DE.

DE (maybe the most questions marks)
DLaw
Crawford: Many games started at DE.
Aldon Smith: Good if he is the 4th DE. Might be a problem if they expect him to be the starter and play 70% of snaps.
Gregory: Solid player if available.
Anae: Great fit in Nolan's scheme where he likes to use hybrid DE/LB types.
Armstrong: Solid depth.
Joe Jackson: Flashed physical ability as a rookie. Could challenge for spot if he is consistent.
UDFAs: Multiple players that were very good in college.

Safety (not wow at the top but 3 have 1 or more complete seasons as starters)
HaHa
Woods
Wilson: His college position coach is now is position coach in the NFL.
Thompson
Bonus: Awuzie & Worley are options.

OL - Interior:
Martin
They have 4 legit options competing for 2 spots (OC & LG).
Connor Williams
McGovern
Looney
Biadasz
Bonus: Cam Erving has more starting experience than all of them.
- Erving has started at OC, LG, LT and a few games at RG and RT.

OL - OT:
Tyron
La'el
Cam Erving: Upgrade from Fleming. Started 8 games at LT for the Super Bowl champion Chiefs.

WR:
Cooper
Gallup
Ceedee
If there is an injury then 2 of the 3 play outside and other players compete to play slot WR.
Bonus: Tony Pollard can play snaps as a WR.

TE (not really deep, but TE might be the 4th or 5th option in the passing game):
Jarwin
Blake Bell: Played in the Super Bowl. Solid blocker.
Schultz: Was a solid blocker the 2nd half of 2018. Witten/Jarwin got the bulk of all snaps in 2019.
Cole Hikutini: Might challenge for the 3rd spot.

RB:
Zeke
Tony Pollard: Might be a starter on some teams.

QB:
Dak
Dalton: Might be the best backup QB in the Jerry era.
Ben DiNucci: Might be that legit developmental QB that teams like to have on the roster.
You forgot to add DE Jalen Jelks.
 

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IIRC CB Robinson returned some punts in college.

CB: More depth than previously. Not as good at the top spot (maybe) but more depth of players that can legitimately play CB in the NFL.

WR: When have they had more assurances at WR? They didn't really have backups on the outside last season. It's easier to do a "by committee" approach for slot WR than outside including Pollard and more targets for the TE.

DE: Nolan's scheme makes this a bit of an unknown to us as fans. He likes hybrid DE/LB types on one side.

LB: In a standard 4-3 the 3rd LB only plays about 30% of the snaps. They have 4 options for 2.3 positions plus possibilities with young players like Gifford.

DT: Poe and Woods are the 1tech DTs. That's more depth at 1tech than they had since going back to the 4-3 in 2013.

Safety: Playing a base 2-deep Safety scheme makes it more feasible to play big CBs at Safety. There is less "see the entire field" requirements than a single high FS and less in the box physicality than a box SS.

TE: How often did they have a legit receiving option behind Witten during his prime?

OT: Coming back from injury and being the incumbent LG might limit the chances of CW at OT. Signing Erving kept it from being a critical issue. I would have been OK with Knight if the swing tackle only had to play RT, but it more likely that Tyron will miss games than La'el. Mitch Hyatt has better "feet" to play LT than Knight but Hyatt was physically very weak in the preseason.

QB: Dalton would likely have started game 16 last season with Dak's shoulder problem being an obvious problem.

TE - Martelius Bennett - but the Cowboys always took Witten's incredible durability record for granted and aside from drafting Bennett in the 2nd round
(probably trying to mimic the Pats 2 TE tale when they had Gonk/Hernandez duo. But all due respect, Jarwin is not Witten. Very few TEs in NFL history
can come close to comparing to Witten's durability, It will either be about the 2nd TE behind Jarwin (Bell) ...or the Cowboys ability to operate without
an operating receiving TE.
But yet we were not talking about legendary iron man Witten ...but more so Blake Jarwin.

DT - i understand Poe and Woods are the 1 techs, but i also understand the dilenma if Poe and Woods get dinged,
and again Woods has shown a penchant for getting dinged and missing games. So what's the " next man up " contingency plan if (When?) they do.
its gonna come down to the bottom depth guys and that seems to spell Hill and Gallimore in a pinch, despite the fit-suit of more 3 techs than 1 techs.

LB - understand we are not talking about starter role of the 3rd LB in our 4-3 scheme, but more so talking depth guys- backups -and if and who will be
available and capable if the starters (ala LVE, Jaylon) go down with injury. i think Thomas has great speed, coverage skills and solid knack for the game.
In the right scheme, with the right durability, he could probably start for teams using the 4-3 scheme.
But injuries has been an issue with him since he's been here. Gifford showed promise but struggled with injuries

WR - Last year the hope was former 2nd pick Devin Smith would emerge- Once highly regarded WR prospect and finally healthy.
the saints and Jets games becomes a more likely win if we had that 4th guy Smith could have stepped up.
It's the challenge for the personnel group to achieve bringing in that key depth - depth that could be the decisive factor in games won or lost

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The Cowboys have managed to obtain impressive depth on the roster.

CB (not wow at the top but might hard to cut down to 5)
Awuzie
Brown
Diggs
Worley
Robinson
Westry
Burton
Canady
Goodwin
S.Smith
Lewis

DT:
McCoy
Poe
Woods
Gallimore
Hill
Bonus: Crawford can play DT if needed.

LB:
Jaylon
LVE
Lee
Joe Thomas (solid 4th LB. Reminds me of Hitchens)
Gifford (A standout in the preseason last year)
Bonus: Anae can play LB or DE.

DE (maybe the most questions marks)
DLaw
Crawford: Many games started at DE.
Aldon Smith: Good if he is the 4th DE. Might be a problem if they expect him to be the starter and play 70% of snaps.
Gregory: Solid player if available.
Anae: Great fit in Nolan's scheme where he likes to use hybrid DE/LB types.
Armstrong: Solid depth.
Joe Jackson: Flashed physical ability as a rookie. Could challenge for spot if he is consistent.
UDFAs: Multiple players that were very good in college.

Safety (not wow at the top but 3 have 1 or more complete seasons as starters)
HaHa
Woods
Wilson: His college position coach is now is position coach in the NFL.
Thompson
Bonus: Awuzie & Worley are options.

OL - Interior:
Martin
They have 4 legit options competing for 2 spots (OC & LG).
Connor Williams
McGovern
Looney
Biadasz
Bonus: Cam Erving has more starting experience than all of them.
- Erving has started at OC, LG, LT and a few games at RG and RT.

OL - OT:
Tyron
La'el
Cam Erving: Upgrade from Fleming. Started 8 games at LT for the Super Bowl champion Chiefs.

WR:
Cooper
Gallup
Ceedee
If there is an injury then 2 of the 3 play outside and other players compete to play slot WR.
Bonus: Tony Pollard can play snaps as a WR.

TE (not really deep, but TE might be the 4th or 5th option in the passing game):
Jarwin
Blake Bell: Played in the Super Bowl. Solid blocker.
Schultz: Was a solid blocker the 2nd half of 2018. Witten/Jarwin got the bulk of all snaps in 2019.
Cole Hikutini: Might challenge for the 3rd spot.

RB:
Zeke
Tony Pollard: Might be a starter on some teams.

QB:
Dak
Dalton: Might be the best backup QB in the Jerry era.
Ben DiNucci: Might be that legit developmental QB that teams like to have on the roster.
Think Awuzie is going to compete with Woods for the start at S

When its said and done i think its Diggs and Lewis starting with Brown in the slot. Worley and Robinson backups.
 

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- Swing OT; Cam is better than Fleming, Knight has utility-swing flex to play OT too, and if Williams becomes backup,i'd flex him to at OT.

Knight seemed fine at RT last year. If Williams is a backup, and limited team work, it's probably better that he just adds LT to his G backup spots, and leaves RT to Knight.
The Hyatt dude might push. Supposedly good player without the beef to compete at the NFL level last year. He has probably made progress on that score in the last year.

If they're expecting Williams to start at LG, I'm not liking how this looks.

Erving's PFF scores have been in the 40s his entire career. He doesn't look like anything more than insulation we're hoping won't be on the team come the season.
 

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PFF is garbage and most people here understand that by now.

One year they had Doug Free as better than Tyron Smith.
It's better than whatever you're using for your basis of Erving being better than Fleming.

PFF didn't have Free graded higher than Smith from 2013-2016.
2012 nothing is popping up
And in 2011 the only thing said is that "after the success both had in 2011, Dallas opted to switch the sides on the offensive line"

So if you're really nitpicking Free grading over rookie Tyron Smith(who knows if that's true), even when they said Tyron also played well as your basis for being garbage that'a pretty damn weak. Lol.
 

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TE - Martelius Bennett - but the Cowboys always took Witten's incredible durability record for granted and aside from drafting Bennett in the 2nd round
(probably trying to mimic the Pats 2 TE tale when they had Gonk/Hernandez duo. But all due respect, Jarwin is not Witten. Very few TEs in NFL history
can come close to comparing to Witten's durability, It will either be about the 2nd TE behind Jarwin (Bell) ...or the Cowboys ability to operate without
an operating receiving TE.
But yet we were not talking about legendary iron man Witten ...but more so Blake Jarwin.

DT - i understand Poe and Woods are the 1 techs, but i also understand the dilenma if Poe and Woods get dinged,
and again Woods has shown a penchant for getting dinged and missing games. So what's the " next man up " contingency plan if (When?) they do.
its gonna come down to the bottom depth guys and that seems to spell Hill and Gallimore in a pinch, despite the fit-suit of more 3 techs than 1 techs.

LB - understand we are not talking about starter role of the 3rd LB in our 4-3 scheme, but more so talking depth guys- backups -and if and who will be
available and capable if the starters (ala LVE, Jaylon) go down with injury. i think Thomas has great speed, coverage skills and solid knack for the game.
In the right scheme, with the right durability, he could probably start for teams using the 4-3 scheme.
But injuries has been an issue with him since he's been here. Gifford showed promise but struggled with injuries

WR - Last year the hope was former 2nd pick Devin Smith would emerge- Once highly regarded WR prospect and finally healthy.
the saints and Jets games becomes a more likely win if we had that 4th guy Smith could have stepped up.
It's the challenge for the personnel group to achieve bringing in that key depth - depth that could be the decisive factor in games won or lost

:clap:

TE: MartyB was never ready to start while he was in Dallas. He didn't know the plays.

DT: The most depth they've had at 1tech with Poe/Woods. Also Hill played as a 3-4 NT in college until his final season when they changed coaching staffs.

LB: Lee and Thomas are the best 3rd and 4th LBs they had in the Marinelli era. Gifford has better potential than any 5th LB I can remember in the Marinelli era.

WR: They basically replaced Cobb (and previously Beasley) with Lamb. That's more depth at outside WR because Cobb/Beasley were not really options there. I see Pollard as possibly the backup slot WR option or he takes some of those snaps even if he does not line up in the slot. I would be good if Devin Smith or one of the other WRs steps up to claim some playing time (Most teams like to limit the starting WRs to about 90% of the snaps).
 

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It's better than whatever you're using for your basis of Erving being better than Fleming.

PFF didn't have Free graded higher than Smith from 2013-2016.
2012 nothing is popping up
And in 2011 the only thing said is that "after the success both had in 2011, Dallas opted to switch the sides on the offensive line"

So if you're really nitpicking Free grading over rookie Tyron Smith(who knows if that's true), even when they said Tyron also played well as your basis for being garbage that'a pretty damn weak. Lol.

PFF publishes "grades" within about 24 hours.

That's 46 players and 16 games per week.

There are about 70 snaps on offense and 70 snap on defense per game. That's 140 x 22 x 16 = 49,280 snaps to "grade" within 24 hours.

It would require a minimum of 5 minutes per snap per player to get a quality evaluation.

That's 246,400 minutes or 4107 hours per week.

If one "grader" works 8 hours, that's 513 "graders" required.

Getting consistent results from 513 "graders" is basically impossible.

Then consider that they hire people with zero experience to "grade film" and it becomes impossible to obtain quality results.

Below is a job opening posted by PFF for a "grader". The next image is a resume from a person that worked as a "grader" for PFF. Notice his experience prior to PFF was selling paint.


 

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PFF publishes "grades" within about 24 hours.

That's 46 players and 16 games per week.

There are about 70 snaps on offense and 70 snap on defense per game. That's 140 x 22 x 16 = 49,280 snaps to "grade" within 24 hours.

It would require a minimum of 5 minutes per snap per player to get a quality evaluation.

That's 246,400 minutes or 4107 hours per week.

If one "grader" works 8 hours, that's 513 "graders" required.

Getting consistent results from 513 "graders" is basically impossible.

Then consider that they hire people with zero experience to "grade film" and it becomes impossible to obtain quality results.

Below is a job opening posted by PFF for a "grader". The next image is a resume from a person that worked as a "grader" for PFF. Notice his experience prior to PFF was selling paint.



So did you just make up the Free over Smith grading to try and make a point?

Also those 24 hour grades get changed frequently, after further grading. And the 24 hour after grade of a game wasn't even what you were referring to in your post. This was an odd response.
 

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So did you just make up the Free over Smith grading to try and make a point?

Also those 24 hour grades get changed frequently, after further grading. And the 24 hour after grade of a game wasn't even what you were referring to in your post. This was an odd response.

I notice that you ignored the images that I posted and how I showed that the numbers of snaps to be grades and the time to grade them are basically impossible.

I'm referring to weekly grades. They had Doug Free with a better grade than Tyron Smith.

I've watched every snap that both Free and Tyron have played in the NFL at least 10 times each.

In reality Tyron's worst game in his career was better than Free's best game. They are not remotely comparable.

The fact that they go back and change grades is comical.

It was a great concept to have a number for every players performance; however, PFF's execution of obtaining the grades is a fail.
 

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The Cowboys have managed to obtain impressive depth on the roster.

CB (not wow at the top but might hard to cut down to 5)
Awuzie
Brown
Diggs
Worley
Robinson
Westry
Burton
Canady
Goodwin
S.Smith
Lewis

DT:
McCoy
Poe
Woods
Gallimore
Hill
Bonus: Crawford can play DT if needed.

LB:
Jaylon
LVE
Lee
Joe Thomas (solid 4th LB. Reminds me of Hitchens)
Gifford (A standout in the preseason last year)
Bonus: Anae can play LB or DE.

DE (maybe the most questions marks)
DLaw
Crawford: Many games started at DE.
Aldon Smith: Good if he is the 4th DE. Might be a problem if they expect him to be the starter and play 70% of snaps.
Gregory: Solid player if available.
Anae: Great fit in Nolan's scheme where he likes to use hybrid DE/LB types.
Armstrong: Solid depth.
Joe Jackson: Flashed physical ability as a rookie. Could challenge for spot if he is consistent.
UDFAs: Multiple players that were very good in college.

Safety (not wow at the top but 3 have 1 or more complete seasons as starters)
HaHa
Woods
Wilson: His college position coach is now is position coach in the NFL.
Thompson
Bonus: Awuzie & Worley are options.

OL - Interior:
Martin
They have 4 legit options competing for 2 spots (OC & LG).
Connor Williams
McGovern
Looney
Biadasz
Bonus: Cam Erving has more starting experience than all of them.
- Erving has started at OC, LG, LT and a few games at RG and RT.

OL - OT:
Tyron
La'el
Cam Erving: Upgrade from Fleming. Started 8 games at LT for the Super Bowl champion Chiefs.

WR:
Cooper
Gallup
Ceedee
If there is an injury then 2 of the 3 play outside and other players compete to play slot WR.
Bonus: Tony Pollard can play snaps as a WR.

TE (not really deep, but TE might be the 4th or 5th option in the passing game):
Jarwin
Blake Bell: Played in the Super Bowl. Solid blocker.
Schultz: Was a solid blocker the 2nd half of 2018. Witten/Jarwin got the bulk of all snaps in 2019.
Cole Hikutini: Might challenge for the 3rd spot.

RB:
Zeke
Tony Pollard: Might be a starter on some teams.

QB:
Dak
Dalton: Might be the best backup QB in the Jerry era.
Ben DiNucci: Might be that legit developmental QB that teams like to have on the roster.

You lost me at Ben DiNucci being a legit developmental QB
 

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You lost me at Ben DiNucci being a legit developmental QB

You've studied the college game footage of Dinucci, Cooper Rush and Mike White?

Since I know that you have not, I can tell you that Dinucci is the only one that showed NFL potential.
 
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