Who are you rooting for to become starters on the interior OL

buybuydandavis · May 27, 2020

xwalker said:
I prefer that the best player play.

The exception is playing both Biadasz and McGovern.
- Even if each won a spot, playing 2 OLinemen with zero NFL experience side-by-side is not a good idea to start the season.

My prediction:
Connor Williams at LG (if healthy)
McGovern at OC (unless they don't like his snaps)

That's probably the best combo now for NFL strength and athleticism.

McGovern did play center for a year for Pitt. That's not nothing, but it doesn't compare to Biadasz's experience at C.

They could go Biadasz and Williams. I found it weird that Biadasz dropped so far. I expect him to be our long term solution at C.

If you go with the young guys, they're playing what they have their experience at, where they likely end up for the following couple of years anyway, and Williams gets freed up to backup LT/G, which really improves our OT depth.

Cowboyny · May 27, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
If they win the job as rookies that would be an indication of how good they are.

No one is just going to hand them the job. They have to win it.

Very rarely do you see multiple rookies starting along an offensive line. Some growing pains are expected and would put the QB in some danger. Now, they can force team's hand showing they are the best option.

Stash · May 27, 2020

darthseinfeld said:
Going to be one the more interesting sets of battles we have had in some time. You have Looney, Williams, McGovern and Baidasz all fighting for two starting. Add to that, you have a guy in McGovern that could possibly end up starting at either spot.

Who are you rooting for to come out on top

I'm not actively rooting against anyone as may the best man win, but ideally I would prefer it to be McGovern at left guard and Biadasz at center.

Here's my reasoning:

I think McGovern and Biadasz bring more strength and power than either Williams or Looney
I still think Williams is a tackle being done a disservice trying to make him a guard
Looney is solid but doesn't have the strength to move people off the ball. See 2018's issues in short yardage and goal line and redzone scoring
I'd rather Williams focus on backup up on the left side in case something happened with Tyron Smith (as has all too often lately)
If Biadasz wins the center job, McGovern can compete for and potentially win the left guard spot
I'd love to see the line's two question marks filled by good, young players and stabilized for a while

fivetwos · May 27, 2020

The best two players after camp will be McGovern and Looney.

I do not at all want rookies next to each other on the line, plus I dont think Biadasz is ready yet, neither strength wise or in pass protection. We will see that in the preseason.

So I think we see McGovern at LG and Looney at C.

Biadasz will be ready to start for next year. Too many people want to think he is Frederick. He isnt.

As far as the OP...heres what we need to root against....the best guys being Williams at LG and Looney at C.

That would speak volumes against McGovern, and/or creating the double rookie problem in 2021 if I'm right about Biadasz.

CowboyRoy · May 27, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Very rarely do you see multiple rookies starting along an offensive line. Some growing pains are expected and would put the QB in some danger. Now, they can force team's hand showing they are the best option.

The point of the thread was to say who you are rooting to win the job, not who you predict to win the job. It would be best for the cowboys if the rookies won.

CowboyRoy · May 27, 2020

fivetwos said:
The best two players after camp will be McGovern and Looney.

I do not at all want rookies next to each other on the line, plus I dont think Biadasz is ready yet, neither strength wise or in pass protection. We will see that in the preseason.

So I think we see McGovern at LG and Looney at C.

Biadasz will be ready to start for next year. Too many people want to think he is Frederick. He isnt.

As far as the OP...heres what we need to root against....the best guys being Williams at LG and Looney at C.

That would speak volumes against McGovern, and/or creating the double rookie problem in 2021 if I'm right about Biadasz.

If there is one thing that is certain, its that Looney isn't Frederick. The team is better off if Biadasz wins the job outright his rookie year.

Future · May 27, 2020

We should really hope that Looney doesn't win a starting job. Would be a bad look for our scouting/drafting if he beats out two of Baidasz, Williams, and Mcgovern.

fivetwos · May 27, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
The point of the thread was to say who you are rooting to win the job, not who you predict to win the job. It would be best for the cowboys if the rookies won.

Sure, until teams that played vanilla all preseason start stunting, then the 35M man is on IR.

Two rookies next to each other is a bad idea.

On the other hand of course we want the rookies to do well, but I think we need Looney or Erving to be at C to at last start the year.

I discount McGovern at C because that's eventually going to Biadasz. McGovern needs to compete at LG and stay there.

Williams needs to be a tackle and forget LG.

I'm confident the staff will get it right, but unfortunately its injury that settles most of these debates.

jterrell · May 27, 2020

For the team's cap I guess if you get to magically enhance guys you'd "create":
LG: McGovern
OC: Baddie

... move CWill to Swing OT and have him ready to start at LT if Tyron gets tweaked.

Irvin88_4life · May 27, 2020

xwalker said:
I prefer that the best player play.

The exception is playing both Biadasz and McGovern.
- Even if each won a spot, playing 2 OLinemen with zero NFL experience side-by-side is not a good idea to start the season.

My prediction:
Connor Williams at LG (if healthy)
McGovern at OC (unless they don't like his snaps)

If CW is not 100%, then:
McGovern at LG.
Looney at OC.

They also have the backup backup plan of Cam Erving.
- He has literally started NFL games at all 5 positions. He's probably as good or better than Xavier Sua-Filo.
- He might be better at OC than Looney but they'll want him primarily practicing at OT.

While I agree you typically don't want 2 first year guys on OL starting beside each other I'm ok if they win that position. You have to remember Garrett is no longer here and McCarthy will have a more plays to get the ball out quicker. He will teach Dak 3-5 steps and throw the ball. By week 5 I expect, if McGovern and Biadasz are starters, to be fully up to speed.

CowboyRoy · May 27, 2020

fivetwos said:
Sure, until teams that played vanilla all preseason start stunting, then the 35M man is on IR.

Two rookies next to each other is a bad idea.

On the other hand of course we want the rookies to do well, but I think we need Looney or Erving to be at C to at last start the year.

I discount McGovern at C because that's eventually going to Biadasz. McGovern needs to compete at LG and stay there.

Williams needs to be a tackle and forget LG.

I'm confident the staff will get it right, but unfortunately its injury that settles most of these debates.

If both Biadasz and McGovern are so good as rookies that they are better then the other two guys then its an incredible situation. That would mean that they have to be incredibly talented and ready to start now.

I do agree that this is highly unlikely that both would be.

Jumbo075 · May 27, 2020

Honestly, I don't have a rooting interest for which players emerge in the battles at Left Guard and Center. I just want the best players on the field.

fivetwos · May 27, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
If both Biadasz and McGovern are so good as rookies that they are better then the other two guys then its an incredible situation. That would mean that they have to be incredibly talented and ready to start now.

I do agree that this is highly unlikely that both would be.

Yep.

The OP suggests "rooting." I suppose that definitely includes getting into camp and Biadasz and McGovern showing they are ready right now.

In that case maybe they see about getting a 4th or 5th in return for Williams, but Jerry doesn't typically operate that way.

CowboyRoy · May 27, 2020

fivetwos said:
Yep.

The OP suggests "rooting." I suppose that definitely includes getting into camp and Biadasz and McGovern showing they are ready right now.

In that case maybe they see about getting a 4th or 5th in return for Williams, but Jerry doesn't typically operate that way.

I think at that point having Williams as the backup all along the line would be incredible. The way some of these guys go anyway he will be playing in at least half the games. And we can also let the guys rest that need it instead of having to play.

fivetwos · May 27, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
I think at that point having Williams as the backup all along the line would be incredible. The way some of these guys go anyway he will be playing in at least half the games. And we can also let the guys rest that need it instead of having to play.

Certainly true, but if he isnt a starter and isnt the swing tackle, it may be tough to dress him on game day since he doesnt play center.

If that's the case and you can salvage a pick for the guy, it should be done.

All of this assumes no injuries, which never happens, and decides issues like this unfortunately.

CowboyStar88 · May 27, 2020

I’m looking for Williams to claim that OG spot and McGovern the C.

I do like the depth we have with guys Iike Looney, Biadasz.

fivetwos · May 27, 2020

CowboyStar88 said:
I’m looking for Williams to claim that OG spot and McGovern the C.

I do like the depth we have with guys Iike Looney, Biadasz.

The thing with McGovern being the center is either Biadasz never gets into the lineup, or McGovern will need to move to LG eventually anyway.

I'm hoping the drafting of Biadasz makes McGovern a LG only, and backup center on game day. Looney can be the center until Biadasz is ready, assuming he isnt already, which I dont think he is....and we eventually have our two reasonably high picks in the lineup.

CowboyRoy · May 27, 2020

fivetwos said:
Certainly true, but if he isnt a starter and isnt the swing tackle, it may be tough to dress him on game day since he doesnt play center.

If that's the case and you can salvage a pick for the guy, it should be done.

All of this assumes no injuries, which never happens, and decides issues like this unfortunately.

I would happily trade a 3rd or 4th for him.

Dalmations202 · May 27, 2020

Ideally for the Cowboys.....
Biadasz wins the C position outright because he is that good.
McGovern wins the LG position because he is that good.
Collins is the starting RT and first backup LT.
CWilliams is the backup RT, and spends most his time working there. (ie swing tackle)
Martin never goes down.

So you have Smith, McGovern, Biadasz, Martin, Collins with Looney, Cam E, and CWill as backups that would start for many teams.

When Smith's back forces him to hang them up, Collins moves to LT, Williams to RT, and the continuity continues. This could get you 5 more years of a very talented line.

You have several others who should be good enough to step in when needed Knight, Redmond, Hyatt, Wichmann, Steele, Miller, Henry -- not shabby if any of these guys develop. Dallas starts looking to the draft for a backup at RG for the future.

fivetwos · May 27, 2020

Dalmations202 said:
Ideally for the Cowboys.....
Biadasz wins the C position outright because he is that good.
McGovern wins the LG position because he is that good.
Collins is the starting RT and first backup LT.
CWilliams is the backup RT, and spends most his time working there. (ie swing tackle)
Martin never goes down.

So you have Smith, McGovern, Biadasz, Martin, Collins with Looney, Cam E, and CWill as backups that would start for many teams.

When Smith's back forces him to hang them up, Collins moves to LT, Williams to RT, and the continuity continues. This could get you 5 more years of a very talented line.

You have several others who should be good enough to step in when needed Knight, Redmond, Hyatt, Wichmann, Steele, Miller, Henry -- not shabby if any of these guys develop. Dallas starts looking to the draft for a backup at RG for the future.

The flaw there is that Williams will need second contract before Smith is done (most likely).

While I think Williams is probably a LT that couldnt convert to G well, I'd have a very tough time trusting him there on this team.

You can get a good one.....probably a plug and play one....in the late first of the next few drafts. That's gotta be the plan for Tyrons successor, not Williams.

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