Opinion: Dalton chose Dallas because he was told he had a shot to win the job

doomsday9084

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As Romo showed us at the end of his career, it doesn't matter how good a QB is if he isn't playing.

One of the biggest advantages that Dak has over a lot of QB's is durability. How many games does Dallas win if Dalton plays 8 and Nucci plays 8?

I think that if Dalton played a full 16 games, the difference wouldn't be a lot between him and Dak. Dalton has never been on an offense as good as Dallas and they would make him look fine. Dalton has missed 8 games in the past two years though and he hasn't gotten any younger.
 

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Here is my take

Dak and Dalton are very good regular season QBs

Dak is a better post season QB, how much better is unclear

With Dalton we can make the playoffs but really no chance at a SB

With Dak we can make the playoffs but SB chances are unclear though possible

You decide if that is worth 35+ mill/year

Is it worth 35 million to have a QB you can win a SB with as opposed to one you cant?

Is that really your question?
 

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I think Dalton really is an enigma. He clearly has all the physical tools and, at times looks like a high-level starter. Then, he'll have a sequence of plays that are just unacceptable for a veteran starter. I think he can be managed and this team can win 10+ games still, but you might have to tailor your playcalling to his aptitudes a little differently.
 

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Prescott is better than Dalton and I'm not sure its close.

However how is that measured? Stats? Not always.

It's about winning games, taking the team on your back and pulling out a win.

Prescott certain let us down quite a bit last year in that regard.

Can’t remember when Dak let the team down. 3 games ruined the season. Jets, Bills and Bears. Defense ruined the season. They sucked in those games.
 

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Ok here I go...

If we sign Dak to a contract that keeps his cap % above 13% we will not win a Superbowl.

Zoners will also complain that the team around him wasn't good enough.
oh, the myth of the 13%...that's already been debunked multiple times.

you do realize, that just because its 13% today given cap goes up every year, its not going to be 13% in upcoming years, ala Brees, Rodgers, Eli etc. all of whom had large contracts and subsequently won superbowls….including Grapolo who went to one.
 
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He had a shot to win the job if Dak didn't show up.

This got me thinking about that actual scenario. And you have to applaud the FO for getting Dalton to sign by telling him that. Love the sell job. And great insurance job securing Dalton and leverage in the Dak negotiations.

Couple questions:

1. How many games do you think we could win if Dalton was our QB the entire year?

2. How much MORE is Dak better than Dalton, if at all, and how many more wins is Dak better than Dalton?
I said it the day Jerry signed him: this is a great power move by Jerry.

He is still going to have to give up on the years though. Down to a 4 year deal.Asking for a 6-7 year deal was dumb.

To answer your question: I think Dak is about 2 wins better than Dalton
 

doomsday9084

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Can’t remember when Dak let the team down. 3 games ruined the season. Jets, Bills and Bears. Defense ruined the season. They sucked in those games.

The defense gave up:
12 against NO and lost
13 against NE and lost
17 against Phi and lost

I would put all of those games on the offense.

I don't necessarily disagree with your assertion though. There were several games where the D simply didn't show up. Its just really easy to pick apart last season and find things to blame. You could make a case for coaching, bad defense, special teams, a few bad games from Dak, receivers dropping balls, fat Zeke, etc. and be right. Last season was weird. Just fixing one problem out of many could have turned it into a 10 or 11 win season.
 

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new coaches, great wr's, great rb's, good o-line, questionable te, but all the pieces are in place whereby either qb could have the best year of his career on this team. and fyi, andy reid knows qb's.
 

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let me ask you. Where would Dak be signed for what he is asking for if Cowboys pulled the franchise tag?

I would say about 70%-75% of the league in an open market where the offseason has just begun.
 

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I don't think its apples to apples. Dak gives you that ability to go all the way where Dalton really doesn't. Not saying it could never happen. And THAT is what you are paying for with Dak over Dalton.

But if Dalton was starting, he wouldnt be taking 3 million or 6 million. You may get that for one year if you dumped Dak. But no veteran starting QB is going to play for that. Just take a look at what happened with Tannehil.

If Dalton killed it then he would want more money or would sign for bigger money elsewhere.

And you cant have a strategy of going around signing cheap veterans every year.

And lets be honest here...….……….whomever didn't like Dak at 1 million a year for 4 years is being disingenuous panning for Dalton. If Dak wasn't good enough then its laughable to pretend Dalton is.

That would be agenda trolling.

this is what’s most difficult for me to understand In this discussion. Dalton starts for us for one year, and offers a huge discrepancy in salary for that year. What are you doing with the one year savings? Signing clowney? Griffin? Who’s out there that you want and think is worth the money?

but moving forward, either Dalton sucks and you’ve dumped Dak and now have to hope you can draft a sure fire starter at QB or sign someone in FA (don’t think there are any good ones who will be available next year outside of maybe Jameis lol)

or Dalton proves to be capable and now you have to pay him market price which will probably be in the 30 mil territory assuming he’s played well enough to consider keeping, and now you’ve got a guy on the backside of his career and are locking him up for how long? And for what realistic savings over Dak through those years? 5 million?

there’s just not a realistic situation here outside of those who are just ok dumping Dak and starting from scratch altogether. I think that’s foolish, but at least they’re honest about preferring that purgatory
 
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Good post I think Dak is 1 to 2 wins better than Dalton. Dalton could be 9 to 10 wins. Dak gets you 10 to 12 wins. I could probably show this empirically but am too lazy to do so. Hence, this is my gut feeling.

I'm in that ballpark as well.
 

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this is what’s most difficult for me to understand I’m this discussion. Dalton starts for us for one year, and offers a huge discrepancy in salary for that year. What are you doing with the one year savings? Signing clowney? Griffin? Who’s out there that you want and think is worth the money?

but moving forward, either Dalton sucks and you’ve dumped Dak and now have to hope you can draft a sure fire starter at QB or sign someone in FA (don’t think there are any good ones who will be available next year outside of maybe Jameis lol)

or Dalton proves to be capable and now you have to pay him market price which will probably be in the 30 mil territory assuming he’s played well enough to consider keeping, and now you’ve got a guy on the backside of his career and are locking him up for how long? And for what realistic savings over Dak through those years? 5 million?

there’s just not a realistic situation here outside of those who are just ok dumping Dak and starting from scratch altogether. I think that’s foolish, but at least they’re honest about preferring that purgatory

Honestly, its nothing to do with the team. They just cant take being proven wrong about Dak. The more success Dak has and the team has, the worse it gets for them. See how excited they got when the team went 8-8? So they are just trying to end their misery.

When in reality, some other team, possibly a good organization with a good HC would sign Dak and continue to make fools out of them even more.
 
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Does anyone know when the last time the highest paid QB in the league won a SB? I actually laugh at the fact that there is a chance that something will come across the wire saying "Dak Prescott, the highest paid player ever" Ooof that's scary. Dude is a top 15 QB for god sake.
 

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oh, the myth of the 13%...that's already been debunked multiple times.

you do realize, that just because its 13% today given cap goes up every year, its not going to be 13% in upcoming years, ala Brees, Rodgers, Eli etc. all of whom had large contracts and subsequently won superbowls….including Grapolo who went to one.

Garapolo's contract I believe was 10% of the teams cap.

He also plays on a team that is young and doesn't have many veterans taking a ton of space.
 
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