Opinion: Dalton chose Dallas because he was told he had a shot to win the job

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Yes, but it's not as if Dalton didn't know that the contract situation wasn't settled with Dak, or that if the contract situation didn't get settled the backup QB would be next in line.

Not sure I get your point. Those EXACT reasons are why he signed. Because he knew about them.
 

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Dalton signed with Dallas to be able to come home and pick up 3-7M and wait for the QB situation in the NFL to calm down. This wasn't a kind off season to traveling QB's and next season could be better once teams decide on whether these young QB's are the future.

As far as which QB is better, I would go with the one that protects the ball more because this isn't the type D you want to put additional strain on with turnovers. Dalton had a better D for most of his time in CIN and he still put a strain on them. He also had damned good skill position players. Prescott is in the 2nd tier of 10, Dalton is in the 3rd one.

I do not think they signed Dalton to try and exert more pressure on Prescott to sign and if they did, it didn't work. His presence doesn't scare Prescott. If they'd brought in Bridgewater or Winston, then maybe but not Dalton.
 

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Not sure I get your point. Those EXACT reasons are why he signed. Because he knew about them.
How do you know that, they tagged him. Does he think Prescott is not going to show for 31.4M this season?

I think you are reading what you want into this and Dalton needed a soft place to land and this is his home. This was an, uncharacteristically, bad year for QB movement and he needed a soft place to land and wait this out.

The only way he sees the field is if Prescott gets injured. And I think he knows that and is OK with that.
 

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How many teams have a chance of thier starting QB holding out this year?

Thats the part you failed to pick up on. And at the time, Rush was still here and they had just reupped his contract for 2 million per year. So Dalton would have been competing for the #2 QB spot.

ANOTHER part you failed to pick up on. Just sayin.
0, absolutely 0. It has never happened and it's not happening this year with Prescott.

Dalton didn't think there was a chance Prescott would no show once he was tagged at the full 31.4M. If they'd tagged him with the transition, then your theory makes sense but I don't think he was ever told or has ever thought he had the chance to be the DC QB1 except how Prescott got it.

I think he and his agent discussed the possible landing spots and DAL was the easy choice.
 

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now or before the FA? if we never put the franchise tag on him, probably Indy, NE, SD, Miami, Tenn, Chicago, Commanders, Carolina, Raiders, all of those teams would have had interest in Dak. now, after the draft, after FA is pretty much done, the opportunities will be much smaller obviously.....he was rated as the top FA before FA began.....

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it would be the same time Dalton became a free agent.

and how many of those teams mention are paying him 33 million a year or more?
 

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the season is a monumental failure before game 1 if Andy Dalton is named the starter for whatever the reason. He wasn't brought here to play all 16 games.
 

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Not sure I get your point. Those EXACT reasons are why he signed. Because he knew about them.
But you indicated he signed because the Cowboys told him that if Dak didn't get signed he would get a chance to start, and that it was smart for the Cowboys to tell him that to get him to sign.

The point a couple of us were making is that there wasn't anything particularly notable about the Cowboys telling him that because Dalton already knew that Dak's contract wasn't settled, and he already knew that the backup QB gets to start if the starting QB doesn't sign a contract, and he already knew that if the Cowboys signed him that he would be that backup QB that got the chance to start.
 
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Andy Dalton compared to Cooper Rush is like Victoria's Secret lingerie compared to a MuMu.
 

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Yes, the defense was good enough in those 3 games.

The offense had a season low in rushing yards vs the Saints and a season high in fumble-turnovers with 1 each for Witten and Zeke.

The New England game was low scoring due to terrible cold raining conditions. A blocked punt gave the Pats the ball with 12 yards to go for a TD. There was also a missed FG. That's a 10 point swing due to Special Teams.

Dak injured his shoulder the week prior to the Eagles game. He really should not have played that game. If Dalton was the backup I'm certain he would have started that game.

The Jets game was with UDFA Brandon Knight at RT and "not good enough to keep in 2020" Cam Fleming at LT. There was a missed field goal in a game that ended 24-22 Jets-Cowboys.

The Bills and Bears were top 5 defenses. They didn't lose when their offenses scored as many points as they did against the Cowboys.

The Saints game irritated me as much as any game. It was obvious Garrett played scared due to being in New Orleans. In the previous games it was obvious that Kellen Moore had brought fresh concepts to the offense but vs New Orleans it was obviously back on the old Garrett style of staying conservative even when it obviously was not working.


It was worth a wasted season to be rid of Garrett; however, it was indeed a wasted season due to coaching. The Cowboys had way more than 8-8 talent.

I'm not going to disagree with one word of that. I will just say that I could add a bunch of different "what if" scenarios where the team wins several more focusing on other causes.

The thing I will say is that it takes a *team* to win. That's why these huge contracts bother me. Virtually any player screwing up can make it hard for the entire team to win. A few highly paid players plus a bunch of scrubs is a recipe for disaster.
 

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it would be the same time Dalton became a free agent.

and how many of those teams mention are paying him 33 million a year or more?
its not what they are paying. its what they would be willing to pay for what's available and how good they think they are...nobody thinks Newton is worth anything, given he didn't get sniff anywhere.....Indy signed Rivers, given it was either rivers, newton and other garbage.... you asked who would have signed him, I gave you a list of teams that probably would have chased him and would be agreeable to 33M contract.....Cousins got 33M/year....he has accomplished less than Dak….with a pretty loaded roster to support him and heck of a lot better defense.
 

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Is it worth 35 million to have a QB you can win a SB with as opposed to one you cant?

Is that really your question?

nope

The question is:

Is it worth 35 mill/year to have a QB who MIGHT get to a SB vs someone who PROBABLY WONT
 

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He had a shot to win the job if Dak didn't show up.

This got me thinking about that actual scenario. And you have to applaud the FO for getting Dalton to sign by telling him that. Love the sell job. And great insurance job securing Dalton and leverage in the Dak negotiations.

Couple questions:

1. How many games do you think we could win if Dalton was our QB the entire year?

2. How much MORE is Dak better than Dalton, if at all, and how many more wins is Dak better than Dalton?


Very hard to say. We don;t have an equal chalk board to tally anything up. I'm not gonna speculate as it's futile. All I ask...expect...is that we go through camp and preseason...and may the best player start.
 

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I've never seen people so ready to get rid of a starting QB. Sheesh.

Field goals and continuous 3 and outs along with falling behind in 85% of our games and scoring only in Garbage time will produce with vengeance the above!
 

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the season is a monumental failure before game 1 if Andy Dalton is named the starter for whatever the reason. He wasn't brought here to play all 16 games.

Yes after Daks 8-8 maybe we can go 9-7 this coming year.
Thank God Dak is our starting QB!!!!!:banghead:
 

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If I were Dalton, I'd be quietly confident that I'd replace Dak at some stage in the season and when I do, he's not getting it back.

Dalton is more suited to MM's offense than Dak, but is older compared with Dak being in his prime. Not much between them in reality.
 

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Field goals and continuous 3 and outs along with falling behind in 85% of our games and scoring only in Garbage time will produce with vengeance the above!
So, we ONLY scored points in garbage time ….

And had "continuous 3 and outs" despite having the 6th highest 1st down % in the NFL.

But, you've never had the burden of relying on facts.

By the way, 85% of our games is 13.6 games. Which was the 0.6 of a game we fell behind in?
 

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If Dalton were this guy who you think has better field vision than Dak.. he'd be starting on an NFL team, or at least competing for a starting job.

Dalton has been starting in the NFL for most of his career including last season. He IS competing for a starting job in Dallas.
 
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