Opinion: Dalton chose Dallas because he was told he had a shot to win the job

CowboyRoy said:

He had a shot to win the job if Dak didn't show up.

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Has this been reported?


Dalton said this signing is the “next step” for his future as he sees the first nine years with the Bengals as only half of his career. He saw the Cowboys as an opportunity to further his career.

“I wanted to join a high-class organization, a team that’s ready to win. And be with Mike McCarthy, his history with quarterbacks. I think it gives me a chance to come to a new place, a chance to learn, to help Dak out in any way I can and be an asset to this team. I bring a lot of experience and could bring a lot to the table. I’m here to help this team win,” he said.

Another factor that appeared to play a part in Dalton’s decision was the fact that he’s from Texas and has a home in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. He also played college football at Texas Christian University (TCU).

He was asked about having a home in the area while the coronavirus pandemic is still going on and how that affected his decision to return to Texas.

“That was definitely a part of it. Obviously that wasn’t the only deciding factor. But for us to stay close to home, we already have a house here. Not have to move, not have to figure out the whole logistics of that transition, especially during a time like this where there’s a lot of unknown of what’s going to happen, when things are going to start up and stuff,” Dalton said.

PAPPYDOG said:

Yes after Daks 8-8 maybe we can go 9-7 this coming year.
Thank God Dak is our starting QB!!!!!

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Yeah, like Rodgers 6-9 in 2018. One bad year is ALL on the QB and dooms both the QB and team to bad years from that point forward.

Right? History shows that, right?

Or maybe your head is firmly planted between your *** cheeks.

Yep, that's it! I'm certain of it.

csirl said:

Dalton has been starting in the NFL for most of his career including last season. He IS competing for a starting job in Dallas.

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Not if the Cowboys sign Dak to a contract that guarantees him over $100 million dollars. A team doesn't agree to that much money for a guy they only plan to compete for the job.

Jameis Winston also has also been starting in the NFL for most of his career, but do you really think he is competing for the starting job in New Orleans?

csirl said:

Dalton has been starting in the NFL for most of his career including last season. He IS competing for a starting job in Dallas.

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I have no words.

OmerV said:

Not if the Cowboys sign Dak to a contract that guarantees him over $100 million dollars. A team doesn't agree to that much money for a guy they only plan to compete for the job.

Jameis Winston also has also been starting in the NFL for most of his career, but do you really think he is competing for the starting job in New Orleans?

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Dak is unsigned and Cowboys have no reason to sign him without seeing how this season plays out.

Another perspective is Dalton is up against an unsigned player who is under pressure, is not the new HCs chosen QB, does not fit the new offense and who only has a 1 year contract on the table.

cowboygo said:

I have no words.

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Sure you do. I just read 4 of them.

CowboyRoy said:

His plan has major flaws as his plan would be to cut Mahomes in two years once he wants over 13%.

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Mahomes has already won a Super Bowl and has elite skills and he carried his team on his back to win it.
Huge difference when. You compare apples to apples.

CowboyRoy said:

Is it worth 35 million to have a QB you can win a SB with as opposed to one you cant?

Is that really your question?

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The odds and history says you have a better shot at winning a Super Bowl with a cheaper contract.

csirl said:

Dak is unsigned and Cowboys have no reason to sign him without seeing how this season plays out.

Another perspective is Dalton is up against an unsigned player who is under pressure, is not the new HCs chosen QB, does not fit the new offense and who only has a 1 year contract on the table.

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Sure they have a reason to sign him - they want to lock down a young QB they believe in for a number of years. That's always been the reason.

As for the offense, why doesn't Dak fit it, and why does Dalton, and do you really believe McCarthy is incapable of tweaking things to take advantage of whatever skill set a QB has?

Hardline said:

The odds and history says you have a better shot at winning a Super Bowl with a cheaper contract.

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Hmmm, so Babe Laufenberg gave the Cowboys a better chance than Troy Aikman? Who knew?

CowboyRoy said:

In other words...…...this 13% theory is garbage. Agreed.

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Until the trend is broken its not garbage. Facts are stubborn things. Those QBs under 13%,had teams that were heavily invested in defense because they could afford it.

OmerV said:

Hmmm, so Babe Laufenberg gave the Cowboys a better chance than Troy Aikman? Who knew?

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Reaching for the most ridiculous example doesn't make your case.
With that logic let's just sign anyone off the street.

CowboyRoy said:

He had a shot to win the job if Dak didn't show up.

This got me thinking about that actual scenario. And you have to applaud the FO for getting Dalton to sign by telling him that. Love the sell job. And great insurance job securing Dalton and leverage in the Dak negotiations.

Couple questions:

1. How many games do you think we could win if Dalton was our QB the entire year?

2. How much MORE is Dak better than Dalton, if at all, and how many more wins is Dak better than Dalton?

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Well if we use last seasons as a guide Dalton wins the same 8 games and beats the Eagles so 9 games compared with Prescott's 8 wins.

Let's call it a wash between the pair but one would cost $3 million next season the other over $30 million so you do the math...

13-3
9-7 (beat a second string Eagles team)
10-6
8-8

No doubt in my mind that Dalton could get us to 9-7 and 10-6 with the offensive weapons and line we have.

Hardline said:

Reaching for the most ridiculous example doesn't make your case.
With that logic let's just sign anyone off the street.

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And simply saying the cheaper option has proven to be better doesn't make yours. Every situation has to be looked at individually - they are all unique, and there is no history that covers all situations and rolls them up in an all encompassing blanket. Times change, and there are variables that have to be considered, so there is no way to tie the neat bow around it you have.

For example, what cheaper options are available that would make the Packers and Seahawks better than they are with Rodgers and Wilson?

As for history, it doesn't occur over time in exactly the same world and circumstances. For example, you can't compare an era where top QB pay was
$2-3 million/year to one where $30+ million a year is becoming more and more common. They aren't apples to apples conditions.

And there are a lot of other variables that have to be accounted for as well. In the Cowboys situation, going with the cheaper QB may not be unreasonable if making a short term decision, because Dalton is a solid QB, but I think Dak is still the better QB, and a much better long term option because he is younger. If the team is looking for the better QB today that will be an ongoing option for years to come, Dak is the better choice.

CouchCoach said:

How do you know that, they tagged him. Does he think Prescott is not going to show for 31.4M this season?

I think you are reading what you want into this and Dalton needed a soft place to land and this is his home. This was an, uncharacteristically, bad year for QB movement and he needed a soft place to land and wait this out.

The only way he sees the field is if Prescott gets injured. And I think he knows that and is OK with that.

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Bro, it was just a report from ESPN and sparked a question. Answer the question or don't answer the question.

JBS said:

Rush hahahaha

Like I said, there was NOBODY else on the roster

This guy said rush lolol..how's your Devin Smith prediction looking?!? Lololop

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Garrett seemed to think Garrett was his developmental Gem. LOL Tells you all about how good Rush was.

Smith?

He will be the #4 receiver, book it. If he doesn't get injured.

OmerV said:

But you indicated he signed because the Cowboys told him that if Dak didn't get signed he would get a chance to start, and that it was smart for the Cowboys to tell him that to get him to sign.

The point a couple of us were making is that there wasn't anything particularly notable about the Cowboys telling him that because Dalton already knew that Dak's contract wasn't settled, and he already knew that the backup QB gets to start if the starting QB doesn't sign a contract, and he already knew that if the Cowboys signed him that he would be that backup QB that got the chance to start.

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I simply passed on a report about it.

The thread was about the question relating to how many games better Dak was.

visionary said:

nope

The question is:

Is it worth 35 mill/year to have a QB who MIGHT get to a SB vs someone who PROBABLY WONT

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QB's don't get teams to the SB.

Dalton could probably get you to the playoffs.

But he'll choke when he gets there. He's winless in 4 starts with 1 TD/6 INT's. That's who ya'll want dueling it out against Russ Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, etc in January? Lol.

Dak has two playoff losses that were mainly due to the defense's incompetence (Giving up that long completion to Jared Cook, letting Gurley/CJ Anderson run for almost 300 yards)