Opinion: Dalton chose Dallas because he was told he had a shot to win the job

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Mahomes has already won a Super Bowl and has elite skills and he carried his team on his back to win it.
Huge difference when. You compare apples to apples.

Makes no difference at all in the context of paying someone over 13%. According to troll logic its been proven that you cant win paying someone over 13%.

So do you pay Mahomes or let him walk?
 

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The odds and history says you have a better shot at winning a Super Bowl with a cheaper contract.

Are you saying the odds show you have a better chance to win with a worse QB?

Another QB guru.
 

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Makes no difference at all in the context of paying someone over 13%. According to troll logic its been proven that you cant win paying someone over 13%.

So do you pay Mahomes or let him walk?

You pay Mahomes and you throw in your daughter as well.

Base pay on a mix of: what they've achieved, what they are capable of achieving and the market (inc potential suitors - not popular as this isn't the NFL way)

For Dak see signature.
 

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You pay Mahomes and you throw in your daughter as well.

Base pay on a mix of: what they've achieved, what they are capable of achieving and the market (inc potential suitors - not popular as this isn't the NFL way)

For Dak see signature.

Of course you pay Mahomes. But the trolls say you don't. After all, its been proven. :muttley::muttley:
 

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“Dalton chose Dallas because he was told he had a shot to win the job if Dak didn’t show up.”

Do you have a link/source for this?
Do you have a source that says he was told he could be the starter. If Prescott didn’t show up Just got cross-referenced it was meant for the other guy Geno sorry
 

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Of course you pay Mahomes. But the trolls say you don't. After all, its been proven. :muttley::muttley:
I’m not sure if this is sarcasm or not. Yes you pay Mahomes as much as I think he still a media lover boy Hail Mary another Aaron Rodgers wanna be
 

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He had a shot to win the job if Dak didn't show up.

This got me thinking about that actual scenario. And you have to applaud the FO for getting Dalton to sign by telling him that. Love the sell job. And great insurance job securing Dalton and leverage in the Dak negotiations.

Couple questions:

1. How many games do you think we could win if Dalton was our QB the entire year?

2. How much MORE is Dak better than Dalton, if at all, and how many more wins is Dak better than Dalton?

I mean, Dalton has shown the ability to be a middle of the pack QB with a great supporting cast, so I could see him getting the team into the playoffs if the defense can manage to be above average.

As far as your second question, with the same supporting cast, I'd have Dak as a top 8-12-ish QB and Dalton (based on his play in Cincy when they had a good OL, prime Green and a couple of good backs) around top 15-18-ish... maybe a tad higher or lower.
I'm team "pay Dak in the Goff/Wentz range but not Wilson range" because that is his tier, IMO.
I really like Dak and would like to see him as the man for years to come, but if his asking price gets out of hand Dalton is not a bad fallback at all.
 

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Dalton could probably get you to the playoffs.

But he'll choke when he gets there. He's winless in 4 starts with 1 TD/6 INT's. That's who ya'll want dueling it out against Russ Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, etc in January? Lol.

Dak has two playoff losses that were mainly due to the defense's incompetence (Giving up that long completion to Jared Cook, letting Gurley/CJ Anderson run for almost 300 yards)
That's also a good point about Dalton's playoff history and Dak's playoff history.
Dak's worst playoff performance may have actually been the game he won against Seattle, and he did have two TDs in that game.
 

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I mean, Dalton has shown the ability to be a middle of the pack QB with a great supporting cast, so I could see him getting the team into the playoffs if the defense can manage to be above average.

As far as your second question, with the same supporting cast, I'd have Dak as a top 8-12-ish QB and Dalton (based on his play in Cincy when they had a good OL, prime Green and a couple of good backs) around top 15-18-ish... maybe a tad higher or lower.
I'm team "pay Dak in the Goff/Wentz range but not Wilson range" because that is his tier, IMO.
I really like Dak and would like to see him as the man for years to come, but if his asking price gets out of hand Dalton is not a bad fallback at all.

If Dak is 8-12 ish with Garrett as coach and entering his prime then hell yah you pay him. Basically telling me that eventually Dak will be anywhere from 3-6 with a good HC and more maturation.
 

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Sure they have a reason to sign him - they want to lock down a young QB they believe in for a number of years. That's always been the reason.

As for the offense, why doesn't Dak fit it, and why does Dalton, and do you really believe McCarthy is incapable of tweaking things to take advantage of whatever skill set a QB has?

Actions speak louder than words. If the Cowboys believed in Dak, he'd already be signed.
 

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Actions speak louder than words. If the Cowboys believed in Dak, he'd already be signed.
That's a false statement. Believing in a player doesn't mean a team doesn't negotiate and try for the deal it thinks is best for the team.

Besides, from most reports the holdup in the contract is because the Cowboys believe in Dak so much they want to commit him to a 5-6 year deal instead of just 4 years.
 
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I don’t care cowboys gonna be middle of the road good maybe make the playoffs but eventually blow it. Just be good enough to keep the money flowing while a smaller market team wins it all
 

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OMG, not another bash Dak thread disguised..

Dalton didn't have many choices. he got released late after the draft. most teams were set at QB, he lived in texas. yes, contract situation with Dak helped him choose dallas. take a step back and see where things go. Dak is at least 2-3 games better than Dalton. and its not about regular season, its about post season. Dalton, under pressure, when it counts is something like 0-10, too lazy to pull out the games and do the research, except its obvious in the playoffs he choked and choked really bad. he is not very good at come back wins. he needs to be tethered and managed so he doesn't lose you games, as he can't win you games.
Ive started several threads that were non Dak related that went about 2 pages, and gone... lol, just seems that the mob likes to love or hate, that's what is popular.
 

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Great

In that case Dalton should be good enough and much cheaper

Wow, what a relief
We would have wasted all that money on Dak

Since when did money matter? Dak was getting paid like 1 million a year for 4 years?

But I guess Dalton meets those high standards of yours eh?
 

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with Dalton, dallas has a good team, not great. our chances greatly diminish in post season success with him.


We've had no success with dak either. We got humiliated by a team that scored 3 points in the super bowl and then last year the eagles beat us with backups, spare me the dak shoulder injury bs because if it was that bad he woulda had an operation.
 

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its not about winning the money war...its about putting the team in best position to compete in post season....Dalton fold like a cheap Walmart chair in the playoff pressure as he has proven it 5 times....he folds under pressure of big games and under performs every time.....

you must be a finance guy since money is the one thing that matters to you, not winning.

I wouldnt' want Byron Jones.....we could have signed Quinn, we thought he asked for too much...and we had those two and defense wasn't that good......so how would the defense be better bringing them back?

and I find it funny, you are willing to over pay those two, yet not over pay Dak by a little....interesting...seems you are taking it personal with him.


dak folded in the playoffs and win and you're in games as well.
 

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Can’t remember when Dak let the team down. 3 games ruined the season. Jets, Bills and Bears. Defense ruined the season. They sucked in those games.

And if you're a 35+ million guy you overcome a bad defense and just make more plays. What does he think is going to happen when he's the highest paid? Defense will suck even more.
 

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And if you're a 35+ million guy you overcome a bad defense and just make more plays. What does he think is going to happen when he's the highest paid? Defense will suck even more.
You'll get your answer this year. He will atleast play on the tag. If we win games, will you give credit to him? If he performs statistically, will you give credit to him?
 
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