Is Travis Frederick listed as a June 1st cut?

eastsideboy · May 28, 2020

I asked because over the cap still has him listed on the roster and they do a pretty good job of keeping the roster straight. I think even though he retired they have him listed as some kind of June 1st cut to spread out the dead money over two years that would make sense that he still on the roster. Maybe they're listing his retirement as June 1st

OmerV · May 28, 2020

eastsideboy said:
I asked because over the cap still has him listed on the roster and they do a pretty good job of keeping the roster straight

The team can't cut a player that has retired. The reason over the cap still lists him is likely because Frederick's contract still has some lingering salary cap implication.

Aviano90 · May 28, 2020

eastsideboy said:
I asked because over the cap still has him listed on the roster and they do a pretty good job of keeping the roster straight

If I weren’t busy, I’d do a little research so I will go off the top of my head. I believe when a player retires their dead money accelerates and hits the salary cap while all non-guaranteed money is forfeited.

That said, I believe the player can retire after June 1 and the team can split the dead money over 2 seasons instead of all of it hitting in the retirement year, like a June 1 cut. So I wonder if he is waiting to officially retire to give Dallas more flexibility with accounting for the dead money, like what happened with Romo.

Someone would have to verify or I will trying to confirm tomorrow when I have time.

Redball Express · May 28, 2020

Aviano90 said:
If I weren’t busy, I’d do a little research so I will go off the top of my head. I believe when a player retires their dead money accelerates and hits the salary cap while all non-guaranteed money is forfeited.

That said, I believe the player can retire after June 1 and the team can split the dead money over 2 seasons instead of all of it hitting in the retirement year, like a June 1 cut. So I wonder if he is waiting to officially retire to give Dallas more flexibility with accounting for the dead money, like what happened with Romo.

Someone would have to verify or I will trying to confirm tomorrow when I have time.

Believe you are correct.

Check the old threads already posted at the time of his announcement.

It was something about it was going to spread out over next 2 years..

ksg811 · May 28, 2020

The accounting for Travis Frederick’s dead money is dependent upon his official filing with the league. His official retire date is the trigger as to whether or not he is treated as June 1st cut it not. As far as I know, he is yet to officially file his retirement and it seems likely it won’t happen until after June 1st. This will open up $7 million in cap space this season for the Cowboys and push $6.065 million of his dead money into next year’s cap.

eastsideboy · May 28, 2020

I think you're right I think everyone knows he has retired but he just won't make it quote un quote official until after June 1st to help the cowboys with the cap otherwise if he was already officially retired I know over the cap would have already removed him from the roster

eastsideboy · May 28, 2020

ksg811 said:
The accounting for Travis Frederick’s dead money is dependent upon his official filing with the league. His official retire date is the trigger as to whether or not he is treated as June 1st cut it not. As far as I know, he is yet to officially file his retirement and it seems likely it won’t happen until after June 1st. This will open up $7 million in cap space this season for the Cowboys and push $6.065 million of his dead money into next year’s cap.

This is the answer I was looking for. thank you.

big dog cowboy · May 28, 2020

ksg811 said:
The accounting for Travis Frederick’s dead money is dependent upon his official filing with the league. His official retire date is the trigger as to whether or not he is treated as June 1st cut it not. As far as I know, he is yet to officially file his retirement and it seems likely it won’t happen until after June 1st. This will open up $7 million in cap space this season for the Cowboys and push $6.065 million of his dead money into next year’s cap.

I remember reading that exact thing when Fredbeard announced his retirement. Smart move by everybody.

fairviewfarmer · May 29, 2020

ksg811 said:
The accounting for Travis Frederick’s dead money is dependent upon his official filing with the league. His official retire date is the trigger as to whether or not he is treated as June 1st cut it not. As far as I know, he is yet to officially file his retirement and it seems likely it won’t happen until after June 1st. This will open up $7 million in cap space this season for the Cowboys and push $6.065 million of his dead money into next year’s cap.

You nailed it.

jazzcat22 · May 29, 2020

So if Travis files his paper work after June 1st, and the spread the cap hit out over 2 years. Can they still have another player as a June 1st actually cut, such as Crawford?
This could clear up what, about $15 million if both can happen.
And if Dak agrees to a deal, it can clear up what, maybe half of that $31 million on the tag.

Then they can go get a few more players like Griffen without any issues.

Future · May 29, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
Then they can go get a few more players like Griffen without any issues.

They can do that without Frederick. Signing Dak and Releasing Crawford should get you almost all of the required space.

At this point, it doesn't make a lot of sense to push Frederick's cap hit into next year if they aren't planning on making a bunch more moves.

ksg811 · May 29, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
So if Travis files his paper work after June 1st, and the spread the cap hit out over 2 years. Can they still have another player as a June 1st actually cut, such as Crawford?
This could clear up what, about $15 million if both can happen.
And if Dak agrees to a deal, it can clear up what, maybe half of that $31 million on the tag.

Then they can go get a few more players like Griffen without any issues.

Yes, they'd still have their allotment of 2 June 1st cuts. Frederick is a retirement, not a cut. The discussion of June 1st or not is simply cap allocation, not a roster decision.

Crawford is not eligible to be a June 1st cut. He is in the last year of his contract, and final year players are not eligible for the June 1st designation as they have no future years to prorate the dead money.

Flamma · May 29, 2020

Travis is only listed under dead money for 11 million. The Cowboys have such a low dead cap that I don't think they need to spread it out over 2 years. Dallas dead cap doesn't even amount to 3 million without him. Get it over with this year.

Sydla · May 29, 2020

Aviano90 said:
If I weren’t busy, I’d do a little research so I will go off the top of my head. I believe when a player retires their dead money accelerates and hits the salary cap while all non-guaranteed money is forfeited.

That said, I believe the player can retire after June 1 and the team can split the dead money over 2 seasons instead of all of it hitting in the retirement year, like a June 1 cut. So I wonder if he is waiting to officially retire to give Dallas more flexibility with accounting for the dead money, like what happened with Romo.

Someone would have to verify or I will trying to confirm tomorrow when I have time.

This is correct. It's all about when he files the official paperwork with the league office. If he announced his retirement AND filed the paper work with the NFL office prior to June 1, he can't be considered a June 1 cap casualty. If he announced his retirement prior (which he did) but didn't file the paperwork until after June 1, then the team has the option to split the cap hit.

Redball Express · May 29, 2020

Future said:
They can do that without Frederick. Signing Dak and Releasing Crawford should get you almost all of the required space.

At this point, it doesn't make a lot of sense to push Frederick's cap hit into next year if they aren't planning on making a bunch more moves.

Seems to me we cannot be done with the roster yet.

There will be more personel moved in the days ahead. Especially with teams not seeing their players who maybe on the bubble with their teams..

we should want cap at the ready. Crawford is clearly at risk for both his cap slot AND roster spot.

Bye bye.

Kaiser · May 29, 2020

ksg811 said:
The accounting for Travis Frederick’s dead money is dependent upon his official filing with the league. His official retire date is the trigger as to whether or not he is treated as June 1st cut it not. As far as I know, he is yet to officially file his retirement and it seems likely it won’t happen until after June 1st. This will open up $7 million in cap space this season for the Cowboys and push $6.065 million of his dead money into next year’s cap.

Given what a leader Frederick has been on this team, there is no doubt he has coordinated with the FO and will file the paperwork whenever its most beneficial to the team.

KingintheNorth · May 29, 2020

OmerV said:
The team can't cut a player that has retired.

Yes they can.

They recently did with Romo.

"Retirements" are typically treated the same as a player release. The only difference is how the teams handles the retirement. outright release like Romo, or hold onto their rights like the Pats did with Gronk and the Colts did with Luck.

KingintheNorth · May 29, 2020

Kaiser said:
Given what a leader Frederick has been on this team, there is no doubt he has coordinated with the FO and will file the paperwork whenever its most beneficial to the team.

Even had he not, the team can designate him a June 1st cut.

zerofill · May 29, 2020

Crazy to think of someone making the Pro Bowl (even though it is a little screwed these days) every year he was on the field.

Is Travis Frederick listed as a June 1st cut?

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