Would You rather pay Dak $40m or spread it around on defense?

aikemirv · May 27, 2020

Jeffkills said:
Pay Dak the $40-45M he's so selfishly demanding or spread that cash around on the defense???

Imagine the players we could acquire for that kind of coin!!

Please, Jerry!!! Please just let Dak walk for nothing and roll Dalton, then go out and spend that money on an ELITE defense...

Try to justify it anyway you can, but Dak simply does not embody the heart and attitude of a true Dallas Cowboys' QB1 - it's a privilege, and he doesn't have any business in that roll - to bad, he isn't able to look past his covetous desires as necessary to build up the entire TEAM, so he might actually win a SB..

Anyone who actually believes Dak wants a SB has got to have serious issues - he's obviously only concerned with one thing: his money, and grubbing for every single dirty penny he can steal from the team...

Please, Jerry - eliminate the problem NOW. Show all the players that being a Dallas Cowboy means more than worshiping money; instead, guys like Troy knew exactly what it being the DC QB1 is really all about - WINNING...

I think the rather is upgrading the Oline to a line that does not let the QB get hit. I mean if you want to succeed with a bit lesser QB which Dalton is then you upgrade the line. Maybe we did that a bit with the center pick but premium dollars at LG and a true topflight player to replace the sometimes injured T Smith would be the best money

You still have money left for the D.

That is the recipe for results with a lesser QB!

Flamma · May 27, 2020

Polkton31 said:
I don't think any QB is worth the amount of money they make. I also don't think a hot dog at the stadium should run you $10 or tickets should be a mortgage payment. Unfortunately, that's the NFL today.

I also understand the salary cap. Without it, teams with large markets, would just out spend the smaller markets, thus giving them an unfair advantage. As far as being pro team, I am also. Do I think paying Dak an enormous amount of money would hurt the team in other areas? Sure. Any sane person would. Having said that... I still feel Dak is entitled to try for, and receive everything he can get.

As fans, we have the luxury of sitting back and saying, "Dak should play for less because it would help the team". The reality of the situation is, Dak owes the team nothing. They drafted him, offered him a contract, Dak fulfilled that contract, and is now looking for a new contract. Dak and his agent would be idiots if they didn't push for everything they could possibly get. I don't think Dak should take less, just so that DE, Safety, etc (whose asking for the moon also) can get signed.

Every time these players take that field, it could be their last NFL game. In fact, it could be the last time they get around under their own power. These players put their body, and future health on the line every weekend so people can be entertained, and owners can make millions and millions of dollars. Hell, posters on this site have said many times, "What have you done lately?" Owners say the same thing. Players are used up and thrown away. If I was Dak, I would be damned if I would give the Multi-Billionaire owner a break, just so he could buy another shiny new toy.

Perhaps you summed it up best in your post. {{I don't care if Dak plays for food stamps. He's not my problem. I want my team to win. I don't care who plays for us.}} Most fans feel the same way... That's why players have to get theirs when they can and ignore all the noise made by fans who could honestly care less about them.

I understand why the salary cap is there. I am not totally against it. I just think it should not be a hard cap. There should be some incentive to go with it. For example, a salcap deduction for resigning drafted players. But that's for a different thread. The bold is what I want to address. From all reports Dak refused a 5 year 175 million dollar deal. At this point it's not about the money. It's not about getting theirs while they can. It's about something else. Maybe pride? Had he accepted that he would have made over 200 million over 5 years when you include endorsements. Yet there is still a problem. Again, I am for the team, not worrying what Dak would make 5 years from now. He should be careful. Even though Karma isn't a real thing, it has a weird way of showing up in situations like these.

Polkton31 · May 27, 2020

Flamma said:
I understand why the salary cap is there. I am not totally against it. I just think it should not be a hard cap. There should be some incentive to go with it. For example, a salcap deduction for resigning drafted players. But that's for a different thread. The bold is what I want to address. From all reports Dak refused a 5 year 175 million dollar deal. At this point it's not about the money. It's not about getting theirs while they can. It's about something else. Maybe pride? Had he accepted that he would have made over 200 million over 5 years when you include endorsements. Yet there is still a problem. Again, I am for the team, not worrying what Dak would make 5 years from now. He should be careful. Even though Karma isn't a real thing, it has a weird way of showing up in situations like these.

Yeah, rumor is he turned down that deal. As of now, it's just rumor. Rumor also has his camp saying, anything with a fifth year is a deal killer. So... Who knows. But... either way, nice talking to you. Always good to share ideas with a fellow fan who isn't wound up so tight they refuse to even be civil. Hope you have a great rest of your day!

PS. You're right. Karma can be, and usually is, a real pain in the ***.

Redsfan_83 · May 27, 2020

ondaedg said:
Didn't realize the Cowboys weren't convinced Dak is their man. That explains everything.

if they were convinced he's their future wouldn't they be head over heels gaga to sign him over the last couple years? Strange to me...but guess I'm not allwed an opinion?

buybuydandavis · May 27, 2020

Jeffkills said:
Please, Jerry!!! Please just let Dak walk for nothing and roll Dalton, then go out and spend that money on an ELITE defense...

Better, after Dak signs the tag, trade him.

I'm not entirely sold on the idea, but it's not crazy either.

If they can't get Dak signed in 2 years for money they can justify to themselves, it really could be time to move on. Dak may be *planning* on taking the Kirk Cousins path to riches. Can't blame him, but the team should take that possibility seriously.

Dalton isn't Dak, but he's clearly *well* below market value.
Is Dalton plus 30mil spent on other players > Dak?
Probably.

*If* they don't think they can get Dak signed to a contract they can live with, trading Dak once he signs the tag is probably the best move short term and long term.

zerofill · May 27, 2020

Bobhaze said:
The thing I think most fans struggle with is this- the QB position is THE HIGHEST market value position in the NFL and it’s been that way for a long time and will continue to be that way. It’s the most difficult position to play and it’s the most difficult to find competence.

For that reason, IMO it’s really a waste of time to continue the hand wringing over the money Dak is going to get. Whatever he gets now, In two-three years it will be considered “a bargain” . It’s crazy but that’s just the way it is.

I don't disagree with you at all on what the pay will go to... I don't consider Dak a bargain though at all if it is the $35-$45mil... we keep hearing. At that point... hello Dalton, if it was me.

J-man · May 29, 2020

ghst187 · May 29, 2020

So a few problems with the “let’s use all the extra cap money from NOT signing Dak to buy all these FAs”...
1) we don’t know for sure if we have a defensive coaching staff capable of utilizing even extreme talent. We’ve certainly had abundances of talent in recent years and not scratched the surface on reaching its potential. I’m hopeful Magic Mike and the new staff will but we will see. I know that Rod and JG couldn’t have won with our 92 roster.
2) who are all these big name FAs that we want?
A) You don’t want to pay Dak but would rather get into a bidding war and pay 20m for a DB? Resign byron Jones for his 3career INTs at 16m?
B. It also takes two to tango, some top players we covet just won’t come here for one reason or another,...scheme,.fit, like where they are, don’t want to live in Dallas, contract, etc...someone like Aaron Donald just aren’t getting away from their current teams at least until they are injured or past prime....which is often when we swoop in and get them anyway. Some top players you are only going to get if you pony up draft picks PLUS a big contract extension. We did that with Amari but we didn’t have enough picks to go after Mack....wasn’t even a matter of cap or money...it was draft picks and parting with those. See Jamal Adams...
C who have we wanted that we didn’t get? Clowney? There are reasons outside of money and cap to not sign Clowney. Griffin? Maybe but we sign him and then we have a logjam at DE.
Seems like the assumption is that if we pay Dak we can’t bring in all these top FAs....we only bargain shop in FA anyway.
I find it hard to believe that Jerry won’t find a way to sign someone he really wants. The only big money we give out is to folks already on our roster anyway.

I’m not promoting that we should sign Dak whatever the cost, only that I don’t think we would or could even use the money we would save by not.

Buzzbait · May 29, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
Romo record vs teams 500 or better was not good either.
Dak 47.06-win percentage against teams that finished the season above .500 and an 82.76-win percentage against teams that finished below .500.
Romo, on the other hand, posted win percentages of 33.33 (teams finishing above .500) and 66.67 (teams finishing below .500). Big difference is many blamed it on the HC and now it is not the HC it is the QB?
(Post # 35)

If those numbers are accurate, Nice find!
Some people seem to be ignoring your post in hopes it will go away unnoticed.
I wonder why.........Hmmmm. :laugh:

CowboyoWales · May 29, 2020

Irvin88_4life said:
Dak isn't asking for 40-45 million so that nonsense is another fail on you haters resume.

He is asking for 3-4 years but Dallas wants him for 5-7 years. Seriously you guys are so far off in left field y'all have resorted to making crap up....... like usually

You're dead right.

I can see why Dak wants a shorter contract, BUT, a longer contract allows MM flexibility to mould the defence.

The financial issues are in years 2 (2021) and possibly 3 (2022) …. that's why i'd want a 5th to spread out the financial outlay.

CowboyoWales · May 29, 2020

ghst187 said:
Seems like the assumption is that if we pay Dak we can’t bring in all these top FAs....we only bargain shop in FA anyway.
I find it hard to believe that Jerry won’t find a way to sign someone he really wants. The only big money we give out is to folks already on our roster anyway.
.

1) If its a 3 year contract we wont have the funds to retain our FA's let alone sign anyone.
2) JJ is in this situation as he's given in to Zeke and Amari and has gone to the SALVATION ARMY barrel too many times.
3) Its all about the years, the ability to get over the next two years.

eg - fans say, we'll just release Amari and it'll just cost us $6m in 2022.... but by that time we would already have lost Gallup (cant afford him), so we'd need WR2 and 3

Proof · May 29, 2020

I’d rather spread the money around than pay a substantial amount to any player really.

rather spread money around than give a WR and DE 100 mil each, or a RB 90, or the QB 40 etc.

I’m also glad we have them all and think we can win as constructed.

but yes in a vacuum I’d rather spread money around than so much on Dak, but would need another viable long term option, available defensive players that want to come here and that we’d pursue and sign, and proof that we couldn’t do it anyway with Dak signed

CowboyoWales · May 29, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
Romo record vs teams 500 or better was not good either.

Dak 47.06-win percentage against teams that finished the season above .500 and an 82.76-win percentage against teams that finished below .500. Romo, on the other hand, posted win percentages of 33.33 (teams finishing above .500) and 66.67 (teams finishing below .500). Big difference is many blamed it on the HC and now it is not the HC it is the QB?

We have a new headline....

"Romo retired in 2017"

It appears some fans think just because they see Romo on CBS they may be confused that he's still playing, we would like to clear up this confusion.

Tony would also like to refute the rumor that his contract discussion with CBS stalled over the 5 year option.

Buzzbait · May 29, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
We have a new headline....
"Romo retired in 2017"

And since 2017 was way back in the dark ages, his statistics cannot be used for comparison, is that your point?
If so, sorry but I have to disagree.

glimmerman · May 29, 2020

Dak is getting 35 a year.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 29, 2020

JBS said:
I'd rather pay Dak 50 million than have Dalton starting for free

CowboysFaninHouston · May 29, 2020

Jeffkills said:
Yep, I can't read..

But to be sure, do you mean to insinuate that Dak's agent isn't asking for 45, in order to counter-offer down from an inflated initial bargaining position?

I'm pretty sure, most skillful negotiators start out asking for the moon, just to repeatedly counter-offer in "good faith," so as to "meet in the middle," while actually arriving at a figure they always considered ideal from the outset.

The problem with Dak's camp is that he'd poisoning the water hole, if he doesn't perform at levels that aren't even attainable, the entire team and most of the fan base will utterly hate him for decimating our teams competitiveness, for nothing more than his raw greed. I'd bet he'd sell Zeke and Cooper down the river, just to make a couple million more...

*Newsflash* Leading a football team doesn't involve worshiping money, and doing everything necessary to bite, claw, and scrounge his way for a few more dollars. It's pretty pathetic.

I thought the guy had high character, but his selfishness screams failure, and I fear he'll never even return to 2016 levels of play..

If you want to do it right as a Dallas Cowboy, you learn to play the game Jerry's been peddling with current and former Cowboys for decades, which is nothing more than simply playing nicely with the organization while leaving it all on the field. Nobody is going to sit here and claim Jerry hasn't always attempted to pay and overpay his guys. That said, Dak's apparently so self-centered that even Jerry, as deluded and senile as he is, can't even be convinced - that's a pretty impressive feat..

If Dak gets anything close to what he's asking, not only will be forever box himself into a future of unrealistic expectations, constant scorn, and unrelenting criticism, but he'll be subjected to this all while suiting up with an inferior team, just because he's apparently a selfish punk. People that blinded can't be trusted to actually give a crap about the team.

Show me a guy willing to give concessions in a salary negotiation like this, in honor and respect for the Dallas Cowboys, and I'll show you a man setting himself up to be an undying legend, with generational wealth so vast his great grandchildren will be trust fund babies...

Dak just doesn't understand Texas or what it means to be a real Dallas Cowboy, and he makes me sick... I wish he'd go back to that guy who said and did everything you could ask for in 2016, but that seems like a distant memory now...

You can't win with a player like that; I'm sorry to all the Dak supporters, but it's true...

wait, you have no idea what they asked for. its been debunked that they asked for $45M in the last year. all articles I have read to date point to $35.

and you cal Dak greedy, yet he played out his contract without a peep. played every game, even injured...

and did you call Grapolo greedy? or Brees? or cousins? or Lawrence? or Zeke? or Martin? or Cooper or...….on and on and on...now all of a sudden, Dak is greedy...its called a negotiations. its football. this is not the first time teams have been at an impasse with a player on contract......

so all these other athletes who want to get paid, are not worshiping money> but Dak is worshiping money....Clowney supposedly wants 20 Mill/year...do you want him? jones got a huge huge contract. we weren't willing to pay. is he worshiping money. should he have taken less and stay with the cowboys.

I just don't understand the logic, when it comes to Dak, all of a sudden all Dak detractors call him greedy, asking for home town discount, etc....why?

you made absolutely no sense in the drivel you wrote...just total BS>...

CowboysFaninHouston · May 29, 2020

OmerV said:
Where did you come up with the $40-45 million number? Seems completely pulled out of your backside.

really deep in his backside....like elbow deep

CowboysFaninHouston · May 29, 2020

USArmyVet said:
So he passed for near 5,000 yards for an 8-8 team.....of course that deserves a huge new contract.

but we ignore all the other years, because it doesn't fit your argument? do you want to get even more picky, pick the games, quarters, or series that fit your argument.

Northern_Cowboy · May 29, 2020

Bobhaze said:
IMO, it doesn’t matter what any of us would want to do with that money. Dak will be the starting QB here for years. The saga of many fans getting upset about allegations of what Dak is demanding or how “over-priced” he is, are in my view over blown.

Dak is going to get paid a king’s ransom, not because he is worth every penny, but simply because that’s what the NFL QB market does with starting QBs. NFL teams overpay for starting QBs because finding an above average, durable QB in this league is much more difficult than any other position in football.

If the Cowboys decide to let him play the season on the tag then all bets are off. I can't think of one elite franchise QB who has never not been signed by his team when they wanted to keep him. The Cowboys can make this deal anytime they want and if the reports are true and Dak wants 45m for a 5th year on a deal the Cowboys could do that right now, it's 5 years down the road and that may be starting QB money by then. In my opinion it's not really money holding up this deal or length of deal or anything else associated with money, it's that the Cowboys just aren't sure. If they were the deal would be done already. What the team has said in public about Dak (all the right things by the way) doesn't jive when you ask yourself why he isn't signed. Unless we are all way off and misinformed on Dak's demands then the only thing holding up this deal is reluctance to sign the deal on th Cowboys part

P.S. Let Dalton start (at 3m per season) give the 35m+ to the D and draft a new starting QB in the 2021 draft

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