Dak, Troy, Romo, Roger-start 1, bench 2 and cut one 1

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Hawkeye0202 said:
I get what you saying but we can only look at Dak's first 4 years. You say Romo was flawless 2014 and you're right but could we not say the same about Dak 2016.
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Tony's QB rating was 10 points higher for the season, 20 points for the playoffs.

Although when you add in running, Dak's QBR was 78.8, Tony's was 79.7.

Dak doesn't get enough credit for his running. I hope McCarthy runs him more.

Running should be kept in mind with Staubach as well, but he's already at the top.
 
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1. Start Staubach.
2. Bench Romo and Troy. Aikman was like an expensive Rolex or sports car, he performed great when everything around him was fine-tuned to perfection.......but not if not.
3. Cut Dak.
 
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I need to correct my stat on Roger’s playoff record. He was 12-6, not 11-6. That means in the storied 60 year history of the Dallas Cowboys, just over 1/3 of the Cowboys 35 playoff victories were done with Roger Staubach as QB over a decade. Unbelievable stat.
 
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Staubach is the greatest Cowboys QB of all time and it's not really a contest IMO.

He's the one who was 1st Team All-Decade and he's the one who made the NFL 100 All-Time Team. He retired with the highest all-time career passer rating while also averaging 5.5 yards per rushing attempt, in an era where spearing and knecapping were basically just how you said "hello."

He played most of his career in the NFL's dead ball era and still retired with a higher passer rating than Aikman. Airman is rightfully in the Hall of Fame too, don't get me wrong, but that's just bananas. He efficiency for his era was just absurd.

Here's a fun comparison: think of how often Tom Brady just chucked it deep to Randy Moss in 2007 to set all those records. Staubach's AVERAGE yards per completion over his ENTIRE CAREER (13.5) was longer than Brady's was in 2007 (12.1). Staubach's average completion in 1971 went for almost 15 yards a pop while he was ALSO the most efficient and least interception-prone QB in the league, by MILES.

You compare him to what other QBs were doing when he played and it's just insane.

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Isn’t this just the Gil Brandt thread again?
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Pretty much but it's the off-season and we're bored.
 
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sean10mm said:
Staubach is the greatest Cowboys QB of all time and it's not really a contest IMO.

He's the one who was 1st Team All-Decade and he's the one who made the NFL 100 All-Time Team. He retired with the highest all-time career passer rating while also averaging 5.5 yards per rushing attempt, in an era where spearing and knecapping were basically just how you said "hello."

He played most of his career in the NFL's dead ball era and still retired with a higher passer rating than Aikman. Airman is rightfully in the Hall of Fame too, don't get me wrong, but that's just bananas. He efficiency for his era was just absurd.

Here's a fun comparison: think of how often Tom Brady just chucked it deep to Randy Moss in 2007 to set all those records. Staubach's AVERAGE yards per completion over his ENTIRE CAREER (13.5) was longer than Brady's was in 2007 (12.1). Staubach's average completion in 1971 went for almost 15 yards a pop while he was ALSO the most efficient and least interception-prone QB in the league, by MILES.

You compare him to what other QBs were doing when he played and it's just insane.



Pretty much but it's the off-season and we're bored.
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No doubt.
Roger is partially the reason why I made the thread a few weeks ago that took QB rating across eras using time-adjusted data...up to current numbers.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/nfl-all-time-passer-rating-leaders-time-adjusted.458041/

For the most part (not 100%) the creme rose to the top--including Roger. It at least lent some perspective, if not perfect.

His 1971 season was one of the greatest all-time by any player at any position.
 
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Hawkeye0202 said:
I'm not sure Cowboys fans see or understand Romo's not regarded as an elite/great QB outside of Cowboy circles coz as I've heard countless other fans say, he never won anything. In fact, most fans, co-worker, or what have you from other teams will quickly give him credit as the best broadcaster but as far his football career? They mostly remember the games he blew ( as they put it). This game is about winning playoffs games and championships......bottom line. We can argue 24-7 but at the end of the day, that's what it takes to have greatness associated with your name. Unfortunately for Romo, he has little postseason success to show for his career as a QB.
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You can't possibly be more wrong. Romo is tremendously respected outside of Dallas. Moreso than here, in fact.

My Giants, Commanders, and Eagles buddies tease me all the time at how we wasted our opportunity with an elite quarterback.
 
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What era are we playing in?

Dak would not do good in the 70's -90s with the way CB could mug a WR all the way down the field and no QB protections in place. He was basically shown to be a wuss when it took him almost a year to get over a game where he got hit some. Couple of the shots that Roger or Troy had to take would have ended Daks career. To be fair, those shots would have likely ended Romo's career to, especially the 2013 and beyond Romo.

Stauback
Aikman
Romo

Cut Dak.
 
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Hawkeye0202 said:
I'm not sure Cowboys fans see or understand Romo's not regarded as an elite/great QB outside of Cowboy circles coz as I've heard countless other fans say, he never won anything. In fact, most fans, co-worker, or what have you from other teams will quickly give him credit as the best broadcaster but as far his football career? They mostly remember the games he blew ( as they put it). This game is about winning playoffs games and championships......bottom line. We can argue 24-7 but at the end of the day, that's what it takes to have greatness associated with your name. Unfortunately for Romo, he has little postseason success to show for his career as a QB.
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It's a mixed bag, Hawk.

One of my closest friends is a life-long diehard Giants fan.
He says he always had a feeling of gloom when Romo and the offense got the ball back late in games.

As he should've!
Dallas beat his Giants the last 5 times Romo started vs them and 3 or 4 of those were on last-minute (or second) , game-winning drives and TD passes. And those teams weren't as putrid as the current Giants.
Over and over and over, he put a knife in those guys late in his a career.
 
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DFWJC said:
No doubt.
Roger is partially the reason why I made the thread a few weeks ago that took QB rating across eras using time-adjusted data...up to current numbers.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/nfl-all-time-passer-rating-leaders-time-adjusted.458041/

For the most part (not 100%) the creme rose to the top--including Roger. It at least lent some perspective, if not perfect.

His 1971 season was one of the greatest all-time by any player at any position.
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Pro Football Reference had a different method that I think put Staubach #3 all time for era adjusted passer rating over their career.

http://pfref.com/tiny/ftH6N
 

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BlueNSilver88 said:
The romo disrespect is crazy. All yall are tripping. Dak is not good.

Start Romo.
Bench Aikman/Staubach

CUT DAK
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The Meredith disrespect is much worse. He's easily in the conversation for 2nd behind Roger, and some are leaving him off the list. Crazy stuff.
 
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start troy--he did have an advantage of playing for the greatest coach in cowboys history.
sit roger--he played for the 2nd greatest coach in cowboys history.
sit dak--he played for the worst coach in cowboys history.
cut tony-he also played for the worst coach in cowboy history but learned from the 3rd best coach.
the coaching comments are just to put the qb's in perspective.
 
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sean10mm said:
Pro Football Reference had a different method that I think put Staubach #3 all time for era adjusted passer rating over their career.

http://pfref.com/tiny/ftH6N
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Nice

Our top 20s are almost identical in names. Order is slightly different but we are talking 1/100ths of points differnent...plus I included players before 1970.

I like their final result better. Pushes up both Roger and Tony slightly. :thumbup:
 
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sean10mm said:
Unless you're actually making Roger at 78 years old play, there's no way in hell you can rate Romo above him without needing to have your skull x-rayed. And I like Romo more than most Cowboys fans.
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Roger is all-time elite....like Montana and a few others.
The Cowboys have plenty of good to great QBs, but Roger was another level even from them.
 
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erod said:
You can't possibly be more wrong. Romo is tremendously respected outside of Dallas. Moreso than here, in fact.

My Giants, Commanders, and Eagles buddies tease me all the time at how we wasted our opportunity with an elite quarterback.
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Not here, the ones I know quickly points to his late-game blunders during do or die games and quickly as " how many playoff games he won"? Looking back, it's unfortunate for him coz he certainly should have had more postseason success than he did but sticking with Garrett too long and Stephen's penny pincher mentality cost him. I've said this many times and will say it again, he was the unluckiest NFL QB ever IMO.
 
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