Opinion: Dalton chose Dallas because he was told he had a shot to win the job

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I think Dalton and Dak are both average QBs with Dak being better at using his legs and Dalton being better at reading a defense and throwing short passes. Dak can take off running but Dalton isn't going to miss that wide open Jarwin with no defender In the picture like Dak did in the Colts game. I think Dallas can win 9 games with either player.
 
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I would disagree. It is the NFL. Money is not a true indication of talent. For years I have seen a cowboys team that doesn't care if they win or lose. I hope big mike changes this attitude. Not brining in talent to challenge the starting players was a mistake. A few key injuries or suspensions and the season was over.
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You're saying teams pay $15-35 million/year contracts to people they don't believe have proven to be talented enough to be the starter, and that they would pay that kind of money with the expectation of an open competition at that position? Come on …

But, even aside from money, there aren't enough talented players to have at least 2 people capable of competing for a starting role at every position. Teams generally don't have even one player at some positions they are happy with as the starter.

And the reality is, it isn't just the Cowboys or the NFL that doesn't truly have open competitions at every position every year. Look at other professional sports. They may have a couple of positions here and there open to competition, but most are not.

And even going back to college and high school. When you looked around the teams you played on at whatever level you played at, was every position really in doubt as to who would start, or would most positions be manned by a guy that was a no brainer to have that position? Not all - there are always some positions where there is a question, but most are not like that.
 
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OmerV said:
You're saying teams pay $15-35 million/year contracts to people they don't believe have proven to be talented enough to be the starter, and that they would pay that kind of money with the expectation of an open competition at that position? Come on …

But, even aside from money, there aren't enough talented players to have at least 2 people capable of competing for a starting role at every position. Teams generally don't have even one player at some positions they are happy with as the starter.

And the reality is, it isn't just the Cowboys or the NFL that doesn't truly have open competitions at every position every year. Look at other professional sports. They may have a couple of positions here and there open to competition, but most are not.

And even going back to college and high school. When you looked around the teams you played on at whatever level you played at, was every position really in doubt as to who would start, or would most positions be manned by a guy that was a no brainer to have that position? Not all - there are always some positions where there is a question, but most are not like that.
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There's been a LOT of big paycheck busts...and QB's are no exception. You are right....Teams obviously don;t PLAN for that (signing a decent vet during a contract negotiation) . But let's not pretend it doesn;t happen.

I'm not saying Dak is a future big contract bust.

You are also right....many NFL positions do not have a competition "every single year". I don't think anyone is saying that. But certainly SOMETIMES things might line up to where a vet loses his job to some hotshot. Kinda rare for it to be some surprise, but it happens.
 
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Hadenough said:
I think Dalton and Dak are both average QBs with Dak being better at using his legs and Dalton being better at reading a defense and throwing short passes. Dak can take off running but Dalton isn't going to miss that wide open Jarwin with no defender In the picture like Dak did in the Colts game. I think Dallas can win 9 games with either player.
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I think you have it just about right. It's a very interesting situation. Especially withe a big contract in the works. If you're pretty sure either one can win you roughly the same amount of games....what do you do? Risks/ Rewards? Loyalty?
 
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There's been a LOT of big paycheck busts...and QB's are no exception. You are right....Teams obviously don;t PLAN for that (signing a decent vet during a contract negotiation) . But let's not pretend it doesn;t happen.

I'm not saying Dak is a future big contract bust.

You are also right....many NFL positions do not have a competition "every single year". I don't think anyone is saying that. But certainly SOMETIMES things might line up to where a vet loses his job to some hotshot. Kinda rare for it to be some surprise, but it happens.
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Sure there have been some big paycheck busts, but the big paycheck players that don't end up starting, and that are not easily the best player a team has at that position are rare, and you don't look at the rare case and treat that as the rule. Hell, even the ones that are busts based on what they are paid and what is expected of them are still typically better than the backup, just not enough better to have justified the contract.
 
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Sure there have been some big paycheck busts, but the big paycheck players that don't end up starting, and that are not easily the best player a team has at that position are rare, and you don't look at the rare case and treat that as the rule. Hell, even the ones that are busts based on what they are paid and what is expected of them are still typically better than the backup, just not enough better to have justified the contract.
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I loved the Andy Dalton signing, I’m sure he could have taken way more money to start and actually compete for the starting job next season is elsewhere. He took 3mil to be the back up to Dak. If there was minicamps and all that and Dak wasn’t present you’d have a veteran arm throwing at our players. If Dak were to go down during the season or for example like last season, we have someone who can come in and play well, last year a hurt Dak was our better option than what we had behind him.
 
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CowboysFaninHouston said:
so you don't think the cowboys have offered Dak a contract? perhaps, we can ask Dallas cowboys to publish it on USAToday for your benefit!
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All that's on offer is the 1 year tag contract.

Question - why would Dallas offer Dak a contract now? It makes no sense for any team to offer any QB a contract in these circumstances (not just Dak).
 

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csirl said:
All that's on offer is the 1 year tag contract.

Question - why would Dallas offer Dak a contract now? It makes no sense for any team to offer any QB a contract in these circumstances (not just Dak).
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but they have offered him a contract.....they have tagged him, but he hasn't signed or accepted the tag. they have until July 15th to sign a new contract or the one year tag is in effect. he has until game 6 of the season to sign his tag or he loses a year. you do understand all of that right?
 
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just imo, but really we know a lot about dak, but little about dalton.
Who here has seen all of daltons games??
Who here has seen all of daks games??
So right away there is a bias since we know more about dak.

Then factor in we have seen neither player with our new coaching staff, so I think they will be better than before, and team as a whole will be better,
which would help either qb be or look better.

Dalton never had on offense what he would have here, so it is impossible to know or say how good he would do.

We can speculate, but really we cant know until it happens, or maybe get a better idea during PS games as dalton should play in those.
And he might play with the starters, but not all of the starters.
 
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Many QB's around the NFL can be very successful guiding the offense on this team including Dalton. But can Dak play on an NFL team with an average offense? I don't think he would be that successful. Take the 35 Million son and move on, because the Cowboys will go with Dalton if you play hardball and then your career will go down the toilet.
 
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Blackrain said:
Heres my question can you make the team better with Dalton at 3 mil or Dak at 36 mil .

Dak is better and wins more games at 650 k but at 36 mil the amount of talent the team has is compromised .

Dalton at 3mil allows you to stack the defense with more talent and could ultimately win more games . Dalton and 3 more impact players on defense could win more games than Dak and our current roster

The addition of Dalton was a great move insuring we will be competitive this year no matter what happens
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What players are you going to stack the defense with this year on defense? Your not getting 3 more impact players at this time.
 
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Blackrain said:
How about Eric Reid , Logan Ryan , and Everson Griffin for starters
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Griffin is the only one that COULD have impact. There is a reason why these guys are still not signed, want to much money for what they produce, not a impact player, or both.
 
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