Twitter: Mahomes extension underway

glimmerman · May 29, 2020

Flamma said:
They can't renegotiate a rookie contract. They are required to play out the rookie deal and can only talk about an extension after 3 years. But can't renegotiate a rookie deal.

I was talking about the ones extended already goff and wentz etc.

_sturt_ · May 29, 2020

JoeKing said:
Pat Mahomes' agent would be stupid to agree to any deal before Dak's agent does and you can bet Pat's agent has already figured this out. The fact they are talking to the KC FO about Pat's next contract is pretty much a moot point. Nothing there is getting signed until after Dak is forced to agree to something. Mahomes'agent has the advantage because he can wait this standoff out.

Yes and no.

Yes, he probably should wait.

No, it might turn out that it does nothing for his client b/c Dak just signs for the franchise tag.

Kwyn · May 29, 2020

OmerV said:
This is a great point, and one I haven't seen anyone else bring up. I'm a little irked this hasn't crossed my mind either. But it's true that the NFLPA is going to pressure players to get all they can because its entire existence is based on improving things for the player. Accordingly, the NFLPA would frown heavily on players making deals contrary to that agenda. Obviously when a player reaches Tom Brady status he isn't concerned about backlash from the NFLPA, but a young player getting his first big contract is a different situation.

Brady got a lot of pressure each time he took team/cap friendly deals. The union position on every contract negotiation is max dollars all the time every time. Keep driving up both the top and the bottom every chance they get.

the individual player is irrelevant. It’s the players (plural).

remember, thre union is a business on its own. It’s not a charitable organization advocating for athletes. They get paid huge money by the players and those payments go to all of the lawyers, administrations and executives who work for the union.

the unions first and foremost job is to increase union revenue to pay themselves

Second is to identify and support issues important to their customers (the players), particularly the influential and powerful ones.

Third - build in plans for retired players, whether it’s healthcare, pensions, etc. these aren’t so important, as you saw when the union sold out some retiree medical benefits in exchange for near term revenues in the new CBA. Former players don’t pay dues so the union isn’t really interested in them except as it pertains to PR (owners aren’t any different on this front)

TheSkaven · May 29, 2020

_sturt_ said:
It's about Dak wanting to wait to see if Mahomes signs something in the interim.

If he does, it potentially re-sets the market and gives him an extra wad of money. If he doesn't, then Dak at least hasn't committed to something prematurely and live to regret it... the choice, in that case and at that point, will be a straight-up question of if he likes the offer on the table enough to sign, or would rather play a year under the franchise tag.

This is headed toward a trainwreck. Because of fiddling around on both sides, now more so on the Dak side since he knows the market is about to go up by 10% or 15% in a few months. But it could very well get to a point where the two sides can't get a deal done.

I don't see any scenario where the Cowboys pay $40 million a year, and it might soon be that is market value.

Bigtex67 · May 29, 2020

texbumthelife said:
Mahomes strikes me as the kind of guy who would put winning before resetting the market and possibly sign for less than expected. I'm not saying it will, but I could see waiting for Mahomes to sign having a negative effect on Dak's potential money. There's no realm of possibility I give Dak more than Mahomes gets irregardless of the reasoning.

I agree. Especially with ALL of the endorsement money he is and will be getting.....

Howboutdemcowboys31 · May 29, 2020

Todd Archer said on The Break we offered Dak 33M last year, so it's not like management hasn't tried

jterrell · May 29, 2020

_sturt_ said:
This whole drama as-if this stall until 7/15 is all about Dak wanting x-money for x-years and the Joneses not being willing to pay it?

Nonsense.

It's about Dak wanting to wait to see if Mahomes signs something in the interim.

If he does, it potentially re-sets the market and gives him an extra wad of money. If he doesn't, then Dak at least hasn't committed to something prematurely and live to regret it... the choice, in that case and at that point, will be a straight-up question of if he likes the offer on the table enough to sign, or would rather play a year under the franchise tag.

It's not about Mahomes specifically because he is very unlikely to extend by July 15th but moreso about his leverage growing daily and ANY top young QB that extends doing so above 35m.
Dallas was wrong to wait and they are still wrong to wait.
Costs only going up.

G2 · May 29, 2020

Fans here are paranoid.

jaythecowboy · May 29, 2020

Flamma said:
https://sports.yahoo.com/dak-prescott-won-t-commit-114327937.html

This is what was said when asked if he was going to spend time in Dallas. He said No. Then told them to make sure to report that.

Yea I think that's a reach to say that quote means he committed to hold out of training camp without a new deal.

jaythecowboy · May 29, 2020

Howboutdemcowboys31 said:
Todd Archer said on The Break we offered Dak 33M last year, so it's not like management hasn't tried

Yea but they were low on the guaranteed money.

sean10mm · May 29, 2020

12+88=7 said:
Those thinking Mahomes is going to sign at the 40 million mark are mistaken. The 40 million mark is the basement. That's not happening.

All reports say this will be a deal like no other. Mahomes will definitely be the first 200 million dollar player. It's just how much more he gets.

By the reports it seems he will be in the neighborhood of 45 to 50 million a year. But the reports also said it could take 12 to 15 months to get a deal done.

These numbers are so out there that they will have no bearing on the Prescott negotiations.

Exactly. There is no Tom Brady discount coming for the Chiefs. His price will be somewhere between "biggest by a large margin" and "unprecedented % of the cap."

For these guys what the extra $m does for them in practical terms is irrelevant. What matters is the status of being in the elite pay grade. If he doesn't push for maximum money his peers will call him a coward.

And Brady didn't give the Pats much of a discount until he was like 36 - which is when most QBs retire. Before that he was getting elite money for the time he played once his rookie deal got replaced. In like 2006 he was the highest paid in the NFL I believe.

JoeKing · May 29, 2020

dragon_mikal said:
If Dak thinks he’ll get anywhere close to what Pat gets he’s been hanging out with Gregory a little too much.

I think you are incorrect. It's in no way inconceivable that Dak's new contract is within 5% of what Mahome's new contract ends up being.

jrumann59 · May 29, 2020

Corso said:
I'm beginning to think the Player's Union might be whispering in ears here.
I remember a certain player for a certain sport signing on to a team for less than market value (to help win a Championship) and the Player's Union had gripes about the precedent it was leaving and trying to protect players' salaries.

This was like 2, maybe 3 years ago.

I can't think of a Union that would forgive and forget such a thing. They are trying to drive player salaries up because, you know... they represent the players. Little guys be damned, but that's another story.

NFLPA had issues with T. Smith contract extension, when he gave a hometown discount to the Cowboys to show appreciation for the family issues he had and Jerry helped solve.

Howboutdemcowboys31 · May 29, 2020

jaythecowboy said:
Yea but they were low on the guaranteed money.

Archer said 90-95 that sounds pretty good to me. Dak played his cArds right he’s going to make more money now, I just dont want people to think management didn’t try to get this done awhile ago

Praxit · May 29, 2020

...Mahomes is on another level. Super bowl MVP and champ @24, youngest to ever win SB. Dak better play his hand right or Dalton might be starting.

jaythecowboy · May 29, 2020

Howboutdemcowboys31 said:
Archer said 90-95 that sounds pretty good to me. Dak played his cArds right he’s going to make more money now, I just dont want people to think management didn’t try to get this done awhile ago

Goff got $110 million guaranteed a year ago. Anything below that is a non-starter.

Jarv · May 29, 2020

Kwyn said:
Brady got a lot of pressure each time he took team/cap friendly deals. The union position on every contract negotiation is max dollars all the time every time. Keep driving up both the top and the bottom every chance they get.

the individual player is irrelevant. It’s the players (plural).

remember, thre union is a business on its own. It’s not a charitable organization advocating for athletes. They get paid huge money by the players and those payments go to all of the lawyers, administrations and executives who work for the union.

the unions first and foremost job is to increase union revenue to pay themselves

Second is to identify and support issues important to their customers (the players), particularly the influential and powerful ones.

Third - build in plans for retired players, whether it’s healthcare, pensions, etc. these aren’t so important, as you saw when the union sold out some retiree medical benefits in exchange for near term revenues in the new CBA. Former players don’t pay dues so the union isn’t really interested in them except as it pertains to PR (owners aren’t any different on this front)

If there is a cap for max and mim, does it make any difference? I mean if a team spends 200 million in cap and all 53 players got 3.7 million/year, the union still get's the same money, don't they? I'm not an expert at this.

DandyDon52 · May 29, 2020

dak may think he is better than mahomes ! what about that?

Kwyn · May 29, 2020

Jarv said:
If there is a cap for max and mim, does it make any difference? I mean if a team spends 200 million in cap and all 53 players got 3.7 million/year, the union still get's the same money, don't they? I'm not an expert at this.

The union gets their money from union dues and from the NFL directly.

The NFL pays the union millions for access to players likenesses and images for marketing and selling crap. They negotiate this directly with the NFL and the players don’t get any of this money. It was like 75m last year I think

The Players pay dues, which are based on the rookie average salary. It’s like 20k for each I think.

The union wants players to make more because the the higher salaries go, the higher the scale goes which gives them more money.

So, to answer your question, an individual contract doesn’t change the unions income but it helps ensure that wages in general go up up up which means the dues go up along with them

Unions also love adding more roster spots because every roster spot is another dues paying member.

Flamma · May 29, 2020

glimmerman said:
I was talking about the ones extended already goff and wentz etc.

Ok. But Goff and Wentz did not renegotiate their contracts.

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