Why Dak is going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat

GimmeTheBall! said:

Yes, comrade!
opinion is bad!
attack him with torches tonight!

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Redball Express said:

Then my thread ain't for you.

I stopped reading your post at "Sorry, they are making.."

One line answers are just that.

Nothing to say.

Fine.

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glimmerman said:

Reminds me of the Romo deals. He gets the money. We will expect him to take us to the SB.

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Redball Express said:

Aikman's time not mainstream internet days?

Revisionist history there to make up a point.

The WWW was totally mainstream back the

Holy cow Batman. How old were you then?

We were battling back and forth back then same as now.

Crazy statement.

Staubach was earlier but even in those days there was plenty of communication.

That answer just made my day. Only a millennial would pop up and whisper such stuff.

Nice.

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Redball Express said:

Poor Dak.

He reminds me of Buggs Bunny on Saturday morning cartoons..

"Watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat" He would reach in the hat and have some rabbit ears in his hand and pull.

It would be him in the hat. We would laugh.

Everybody is taking shots at Dak over if he deserves to be the highest paid player in NFL history.

Dak wants us to believe in him like he believes in himself.

I do not ever recall Rodger Staubach ever having to go thru this.

Oh right..Staubach won the SB in his second year starting.

Aikman won in his 3rd year. Dak is going on his 5th year.

Roger was a Heisman winner. Aikman a #1 draft pick.

And that is the problem for Dak.

Until he wins a title, he is ever in the crucible of doubt.

In Dallas, you need to compete with great QBs.

QBs that had to play up to and exceed the results of other QBs their contemporaries.

This is the measuring stick in Dallas.

Dak simply has not arrived there yet. And he may never do it. You do not have to be a Dak Hater to know that.

Ask Danny White. Ask Craig Morton. Ask Steve Walsh. And others.

Dak could still be among the greats except he has a distinct disadvantage. Aikman, Staubach won SBs early in their careers.

Dak has not and now he is entering his mid career. Getting older does not always mean better.

It means chances to win big are receding like cars in a rearview mirror. They get smaller.

But Dak has his eyes fixed on the reward before the feat.

Somebody should tell him he has the cart before the horse. Somebody needs to tell him he is running the risk of being known as the biggest bust in Cowboy history if he falls.

If he fails, he does not want to become a clique for failure. He is better off trying to take a competitive deal now and produce what he says he can.

Then come back and sign a new deal when the time is right. What he is doing is very high risk.

I started out liking Dak like most of us. I wanted him to blossom like Aikman and Rodger did. As fans that was great to feel a part of their success.

I was getting that feeling with Dak early on. But things have changed. Why I am not sure. But it had changed.

The Cowboys as a Nation has split into two camps. Why?

Becuz there are these two ghosts of past greatness tapping him on the shoulder saying..

"Its not your time. You are not ready. Come back when you have achieved like we had to."

The player and the fans have to see it also.

You will know something has changed when Las Vegas starts changing the odds on the Cowboys as SB favorites.

We ain't there yet.

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Redball Express said:

Poor Dak.

He reminds me of Buggs Bunny on Saturday morning cartoons..

"Watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat" He would reach in the hat and have some rabbit ears in his hand and pull.

It would be him in the hat. We would laugh.

Everybody is taking shots at Dak over if he deserves to be the highest paid player in NFL history.

Dak wants us to believe in him like he believes in himself.

I do not ever recall Rodger Staubach ever having to go thru this.

Oh right..Staubach won the SB in his second year starting.

Aikman won in his 3rd year. Dak is going on his 5th year.

Roger was a Heisman winner. Aikman a #1 draft pick.

And that is the problem for Dak.

Until he wins a title, he is ever in the crucible of doubt.

In Dallas, you need to compete with great QBs.

QBs that had to play up to and exceed the results of other QBs their contemporaries.

This is the measuring stick in Dallas.

Dak simply has not arrived there yet. And he may never do it. You do not have to be a Dak Hater to know that.

Ask Danny White. Ask Craig Morton. Ask Steve Walsh. And others.

Dak could still be among the greats except he has a distinct disadvantage. Aikman, Staubach won SBs early in their careers.

Dak has not and now he is entering his mid career. Getting older does not always mean better.

It means chances to win big are receding like cars in a rearview mirror. They get smaller.

But Dak has his eyes fixed on the reward before the feat.

Somebody should tell him he has the cart before the horse. Somebody needs to tell him he is running the risk of being known as the biggest bust in Cowboy history if he falls.

If he fails, he does not want to become a clique for failure. He is better off trying to take a competitive deal now and produce what he says he can.

Then come back and sign a new deal when the time is right. What he is doing is very high risk.

I started out liking Dak like most of us. I wanted him to blossom like Aikman and Rodger did. As fans that was great to feel a part of their success.

I was getting that feeling with Dak early on. But things have changed. Why I am not sure. But it had changed.

The Cowboys as a Nation has split into two camps. Why?

Becuz there are these two ghosts of past greatness tapping him on the shoulder saying..

"Its not your time. You are not ready. Come back when you have achieved like we had to."

The player and the fans have to see it also.

You will know something has changed when Las Vegas starts changing the odds on the Cowboys as SB favorites.

We ain't there yet.

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Aviano90 said:

Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

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Future said:

Roger Staubach didn't go through this because a) there was no salary cap and b) salaries were much lower so grown men didn't cry about what they made as much.

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cern said:

roger actually negotiated his own deals with tex schramm. that was in the days when the salaries of other players were not posted. once it was mandated all salaries be posted, roger was shocked to learn his salary was ranked like @17 among starting qb's. when asked about this, he commented to the effect he had been naïve. and hired an agent. the new law to post salaries also explained how George allen was able to motivate his over the hill gang. he paid well.

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Polkton31 said:

Yeah, I'm a millennial who was born in 1967. Nice try though!

Almost as good as you twisting what I said. {{{ the internet didn't go mainstream in american homes until 2001.}}}

It depends on the the reference population -- in other words, it depends on the set of people you ask. Let's consider the evidence. Consider the university population, the population around Silicon Valley, and most US households.

Universities: Many histories of the Internet have observed that the Internet was "mainstream" within the US university system by the late 1980s. Every professor and graduate student in a research-oriented university could expect to have email and expect other peers to have it as well. The Internet became "mainstream" with undergraduates in the early 1990s, and as others correctly state, the deployment of the web browser, Mosaic -- particularly the publication of a Windows-compatible browser in 1993, made the Web a common occurrence among undergraduates. By 1994 it could be taken for granted at any major university. So the answer is 1989 for most advanced students and professors, and 1994 for most undergrads.

Silicon Valley: The first beta browser for Netscape emerges in November 1994, and the first one for sale in February 1995. At the urging of his own employees, Bill Gates spent a night surfing in April, 1995, and wrote his memo, "The Internet Tidal Wave" in May of 1995. After being unsuccessful in purchasing Netscape or in gaining a board seat in June of 1995, the two firms went their own sweet way. Netscape had its IPO in August, 1995, and caught enormous attention for it. Microsoft rolled out Windows 95 in the same month, and included IE 1.0 in the plus pack, and it "announced" its plans to make IE integrated with the operating system in December, 1995. So for somebody in Silicon Valley the answer is somewhere between February and August of 1995. For sure nobody in the tech industry was uninformed by the end of 1995.

"Mainstream" could refer to the adoption of the Internet by households. What is mainstream, when it reaches 33% of households or 50% or some other number? The best data suggests the Internet reached a third of households in mid 1999. It reached 50% in mid 2001.

So, If your idea of mainstream is 33%, or one third of american households, then run with that number. But... Even if you use the 33% threshold, Aikman retired after the 2000 season. So, perhaps it was mainstream for 1 or 2 years of his career. I choose to consider mainstream being at least 50% of american households, hence the 2001 date. If you go by that date, then Aikman's career was over with.

Perhaps you were one of the fortunate people who had internet access from it's very inception. Most families and households weren't as fortunate.

Now... Feel free to go back to bashing Dak and acting like you're so much more intelligent than everyone else.

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Future said:

That's interesting, never heard that before.

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garyo1954 said:

Yep, we ain't there yet. And we won't get there until Qak starts playing with emotion and becomes the team leader. That means rising to the occasion, raising your voice and getting excited like Marino, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, et. al. Let everybody around you know this is important to you and you expect them to have the same commitment you have.

Right now this team goes through Elliott and he tends to have bonehead moments, (like tugging on bras in public places) which makes him a fun guy, but not Bill Parcell's definition of a leader, "You can't be a clown and lead men."

Ask yourself, "How much of Elliott's boneheadedness is part of the reason Qak is being the problem child this year? And what guarantee does anyone have he'll continue to work once he's paid?"

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cheftjpeck said:

interesting take and points. Speaking for me only - after living through Staubach, Danny White , Gary Hogeboom , Pelluer , Aikman , Carter , Romo and many Qb flavors of the moment , I’m
Just ehhh on Prescott. I love him when he’s winning and a cowboy , hate him when he isn’t winning .. heck I’d cuss Aikman out post Novacek (his blanket , unsung hero ) for just not distributing the ball because he just didn’t have the connections .. even worse post Irvin. Prescott is a cowboy , he has allot to prove but this entitlement sense that cowboy fans have (including me) is almost impossible to meet. We only remember the great stuff and plays of teams and legends past and expect every player to be the same. We forget the interceptions and bad plays by many of our hall of fame players and championship teams. Watch the boys struggle in the 70’s through today .. many of those names you mentioned had some horrible moments. Prescott isn’t any of them .. but he isn’t Pelluer or any of the qbs of the month either .we have the flashy star .. the America’s team label but we forget the struggles (not the losses ) we all rewrite history to a point of believing people like Romo were incredible when in reality he is a reason many of us deep down don’t want to sink incredible money into Prescott . However we believe this for different reasons . Some rewrite that Romo was some sort of demigod who never had a team around good enough to win . Some label him a choke artist . None the less he was paid a big contract without batting an eye on his 3rd (maybe 4th If including initial signing ) but he did sort of wait. Fans were enamored with Romo when he made incredible plays yet frustrated when he struggled mightily. Again depending on where you stand you write it the way it fits your story. Me personally I loved Romo, he had grit, toughness , savvy .. at the same time I cringed with one eye open and often screamed No don’t throw it , he did and sometimes it was great and others it was oh well ..he was blamed for losses and applauded for wins and even sometimes we were just relieved whew we won .. (or surprised, Buffalo 5 interception game )
Dak has had those moments .. me personally I don’t fret at the end of games as I once did but I do get frustrated with huh ?? Who the heck were you throwing to ?
So we’ve seen the good the bad and the ugly of all qbs and teams, we haven’t tasted a post season championship in decades .. it is what it is .. unless he wins the big one .. he will always be just another blip on the radar .. we will bemoan the contract he signs , say he wasn’t worth, it killed our team etc etc .. but if everything falls just right and the team wins the big game , we will forget briefly , but some will appreciate , some will say we were lucky or won in spite of Dak .. only in the future will we look back and rewrite history do what we want to remember

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Polkton31 said:

Yeah, I'm a millennial who was born in 1967. Nice try though!

Almost as good as you twisting what I said. {{{ the internet didn't go mainstream in american homes until 2001.}}}

It depends on the the reference population -- in other words, it depends on the set of people you ask. Let's consider the evidence. Consider the university population, the population around Silicon Valley, and most US households.

Universities: Many histories of the Internet have observed that the Internet was "mainstream" within the US university system by the late 1980s. Every professor and graduate student in a research-oriented university could expect to have email and expect other peers to have it as well. The Internet became "mainstream" with undergraduates in the early 1990s, and as others correctly state, the deployment of the web browser, Mosaic -- particularly the publication of a Windows-compatible browser in 1993, made the Web a common occurrence among undergraduates. By 1994 it could be taken for granted at any major university. So the answer is 1989 for most advanced students and professors, and 1994 for most undergrads.

Silicon Valley: The first beta browser for Netscape emerges in November 1994, and the first one for sale in February 1995. At the urging of his own employees, Bill Gates spent a night surfing in April, 1995, and wrote his memo, "The Internet Tidal Wave" in May of 1995. After being unsuccessful in purchasing Netscape or in gaining a board seat in June of 1995, the two firms went their own sweet way. Netscape had its IPO in August, 1995, and caught enormous attention for it. Microsoft rolled out Windows 95 in the same month, and included IE 1.0 in the plus pack, and it "announced" its plans to make IE integrated with the operating system in December, 1995. So for somebody in Silicon Valley the answer is somewhere between February and August of 1995. For sure nobody in the tech industry was uninformed by the end of 1995.

"Mainstream" could refer to the adoption of the Internet by households. What is mainstream, when it reaches 33% of households or 50% or some other number? The best data suggests the Internet reached a third of households in mid 1999. It reached 50% in mid 2001.

So, If your idea of mainstream is 33%, or one third of american households, then run with that number. But... Even if you use the 33% threshold, Aikman retired after the 2000 season. So, perhaps it was mainstream for 1 or 2 years of his career. I choose to consider mainstream being at least 50% of american households, hence the 2001 date. If you go by that date, then Aikman's career was over with.

Perhaps you were one of the fortunate people who had internet access from it's very inception. Most families and households weren't as fortunate.

Now... Feel free to go back to bashing Dak and acting like you're so much more intelligent than everyone else.

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Future said:

Roger Staubach didn't go through this because a) there was no salary cap and b) salaries were much lower so grown men didn't cry about what they made as much.

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zerofill said:

lol when grown men want to make sure they are at least $1.00 more to make sure they are the highest at their position... and go out and buy diamond studded $100k watches...

We automatically know they aren't grown men... still children.

Dak only bought scooters, and questionable squirt guns from what I recall... so I can't pick on him that much for that lol.

Staubach, and Aikman were both a totally different time, totally different world, like you said.

They were real men, versus most of the children that are just old enough to be called men.

Even the crazy things Deion did were just for show, almost like portraying a character in a movie or making a crazy brand, versus completely believing in the fantasy.

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