Recap: JJT: Whispers from the Star (5/29)

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Today's recap from the Whispers segment. I thought most of this was good info, though JJT mentioned during the show how hard it is to be a football insider right now when there aren't any damn minicamps.

To get us through to another week, here we go:

1. JJT decided to dig a little bit into this Jamal Adams drama, and he felt the need to report on this because the Cowboys tried to make a play for him at the deadline last season, and they've been linked heavily to him this year. If you all remember, the Jets wanted the whole farm for Adams, and offered up suggestions like two firsts, or a first and Zack Martin, and other crazy propsects, which is why the deal didn't materialize. Supposedly, the consternation surrounding the whole Adams drama is that the Jets just haven't been straight up with him and his patience is running out with them. They initially told Jamal he'd have an extension at the end of last season and it never happened. They then told him to wait until the start of the league year, and as we know, that hasn't happened either. Had the Jets done the noble thing and told him that they were going to wait until after year 3 to get a deal done, I think this situation would play out a little differently because Jamal would at least have some transparency. Now - the Jets have themselves into a dilemma where their leader on defense is more or less demanding a trade.

As JJT noted though, you can bet the house that Jamal Adams isn't going anywhere because the Jets have his rights for a few more years, and you can take it to the bank that they aren't getting rid of him unless they get exactly what they want for him.

2. DeMarcus Ware said that Tank Lawrence has been reaching out to him and inquiring about rushing the passer from a two point stance. We've heard all offseason that Dallas is playing a 4-3 defense, with "3-4 principles", but this definitely raised eyebrows. We were told in 2017 that we didn't draft a monster like TJ Watt because there was no tape of him rushing with his hand on the ground. To all of our dismay, we took Soft Taco Charlton. JJT alluded to a guy like Herschel Walker. Johnson County High School, I-Formation, could not be stopped. University of Georgia, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. New Jersey Generals, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. Dallas Cowboys, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. Minnesota Vikings, split backfield, just a guy. Why are we even entertaining the idea of experimenting with arguably our best defender? JJT hopes that we can see Tank rushing standing up in practice before we ever unveil that on the field, because Tank has never done it before. It is easier on the body if you make these adjustments with aging pass rushers, but Tank is only 28.

JJT did note that Greg Ellis made the switch at age 31, and moaned and groaned and complained about it publicly and even more about it privately, saying the Cowboys were setting him up for failure. He had 52 sacks as a 4-3 DE, but what's interesting is that he had 25 sacks in 38 games and 6 forced fumbles after he switched to a 3-4 LB under the Parcells tutelage. He only had 5 seasons with 8 sacks or more, 2 of them were with Parcells in a 3-4. Additionally, his only Pro Bowl, where he amassed 12.5 sacks, was also with Parcells running a 3-4. So there is some evidence of success there historically.

3. Dived a little bit into analytics in this piece. Most of the top teams in the past decade have had, big time QB play. The Cowboys offense has been top 11 five times in the past 9 years, being top 10 in scoring 4 times. The defense has not nearly produced that type of consistency, being only top 10 3 times, and all of those were recently with Marinelli and Richard running a soft and predictable unit. I think it's backwards thinking, but this is why the Cowboys chose to draft a guy like CeeDee. They're fully vested in their offense, so they thought it was better to make their strength even stronger. As a team source put it, yeah that could've drafted a guy like Chaisson, but with the style of defense that the Cowboys want to play he would at best be a rotational guy for a few years. McCarthy likes to play 3 WRs and 1 RB, and CeeDee has the talent and ability to contribute immediately. So they wanted to fortify their offense rather than try and plug holes on defense.

That's all fine and dandy, and I like CeeDee and like the pick, but you absolutely have to invest in the defense too because that's what wins playoff games. Teams need some balance, and I hope that trotting out another "elite offense" in the 2020 playoffs (assuming we make it there) pays dividends. But we've been there before, and I'd really hate to see Aaron Rodgers send us packing again on a converted 3rd and 20 against soft coverage with a mediocre defense.

And that's all I got folks. Enjoy your weekend!

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Read something on twitter just couple days ago where DeMarcus Ware referred to our D a the new " hybrid defense". Not sure what he meant but .....
 

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in fairness, 4 of the next 5 picks were def and ceedee is too good to pass up imo. if he is by far the best player on the board, you take him.
Oh I love the pick.

It's more of indictment on how we've chosen to build the team since Parcells left. I'm fine spending 1st round picks on offense if you can get the defenders in free agency or through savvy trades, but we just haven't been able to do that.
 

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Today's recap from the Whispers segment. I thought most of this was good info, though JJT mentioned during the show how hard it is to be a football insider right now when there aren't any damn minicamps.

To get us through to another week, here we go:

1. JJT decided to dig a little bit into this Jamal Adams drama, and he felt the need to report on this because the Cowboys tried to make a play for him at the deadline last season, and they've been linked heavily to him this year. If you all remember, the Jets wanted the whole farm for Adams, and offered up suggestions like two firsts, or a first and Zack Martin, and other crazy propsects, which is why the deal didn't materialize. Supposedly, the consternation surrounding the whole Adams drama is that the Jets just haven't been straight up with him and his patience is running out with them. They initially told Jamal he'd have an extension at the end of last season and it never happened. They then told him to wait until the start of the league year, and as we know, that hasn't happened either. Had the Jets done the noble thing and told him that they were going to wait until after year 3 to get a deal done, I think this situation would play out a little differently because Jamal would at least have some transparency. Now - the Jets have themselves into a dilemma where their leader on defense is more or less demanding a trade.

As JJT noted though, you can bet the house that Jamal Adams isn't going anywhere because the Jets have his rights for a few more years, and you can take it to the bank that they aren't getting rid of him unless they get exactly what they want for him.

2. DeMarcus Ware said that Tank Lawrence has been reaching out to him and inquiring about rushing the passer from a two point stance. We've heard all offseason that Dallas is playing a 4-3 defense, with "3-4 principles", but this definitely raised eyebrows. We were told in 2017 that we didn't draft a monster like TJ Watt because there was no tape of him rushing with his hand on the ground. To all of our dismay, we took Soft Taco Charlton. JJT alluded to a guy like Herschel Walker. Johnson County High School, I-Formation, could not be stopped. University of Georgia, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. New Jersey Generals, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. Dallas Cowboys, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. Minnesota Vikings, split backfield, just a guy. Why are we even entertaining the idea of experimenting with arguably our best defender? JJT hopes that we can see Tank rushing standing up in practice before we ever unveil that on the field, because Tank has never done it before. It is easier on the body if you make these adjustments with aging pass rushers, but Tank is only 28.

JJT did note that Greg Ellis made the switch at age 31, and moaned and groaned and complained about it publicly and even more about it privately, saying the Cowboys were setting him up for failure. He had 52 sacks as a 4-3 DE, but what's interesting is that he had 25 sacks in 38 games and 6 forced fumbles after he switched to a 3-4 LB under the Parcells tutelage. He only had 5 seasons with 8 sacks or more, 2 of them were with Parcells in a 3-4. Additionally, his only Pro Bowl, where he amassed 12.5 sacks, was also with Parcells running a 3-4. So there is some evidence of success there historically.

3. Dived a little bit into analytics in this piece. Most of the top teams in the past decade have had, big time QB play. The Cowboys offense has been top 11 five times in the past 9 years, being top 10 in scoring 4 times. The defense has not nearly produced that type of consistency, being only top 10 3 times, and all of those were recently with Marinelli and Richard running a soft and predictable unit. I think it's backwards thinking, but this is why the Cowboys chose to draft a guy like CeeDee. They're fully vested in their offense, so they thought it was better to make their strength even stronger. As a team source put it, yeah that could've drafted a guy like Chaisson, but with the style of defense that the Cowboys want to play he would at best be a rotational guy for a few years. McCarthy likes to play 3 WRs and 1 RB, and CeeDee has the talent and ability to contribute immediately. So they wanted to fortify their offense rather than try and plug holes on defense.

That's all fine and dandy, and I like CeeDee and like the pick, but you absolutely have to invest in the defense too because that's what wins playoff games. Teams need some balance, and I hope that trotting out another "elite offense" in the 2020 playoffs (assuming we make it there) pays dividends. But we've been there before, and I'd really hate to see Aaron Rodgers send us packing again on a converted 3rd and 20 against soft coverage with a mediocre defense.

And that's all I got folks. Enjoy your weekend!

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Thank you for these. I click right away when you post it. Always good stuff.
 

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2. DeMarcus Ware said that Tank Lawrence has been reaching out to him and inquiring about rushing the passer from a two point stance.

I think the biggest thing with the 3-4 or 4-3 will be the unpredictability in their sets more than individual players. But most of our DEs can play either set like DLaw.

Great to see DLaw embracing the move and studying, it sounds like JJT mentions Greg Ellis as a contrast to what DLaw is doing.
 

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Read something on twitter just couple days ago where DeMarcus Ware referred to our D a the new " hybrid defense". Not sure what he meant but .....
It's in the same SI (I think) article how he talks about meeting with Lawrence to work on his 2-pt.

Basically it just means that there's going to be a lot of different looks depending on the opponent and scheme and he mentioned that there should be a lot more looks for Lawrence, Smith, Gregory to be lined up against a TE or RB, instead of trying to beat a tackle on every play. The 3-4/4-3 distinction doesn't mean a lot, but philosophically, this is a big change.
 

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Read something on twitter just couple days ago where DeMarcus Ware referred to our D a the new " hybrid defense". Not sure what he meant but .....

I think he was referring to this year's goal to switch to the 3-4 when it's advantageous.

Also, disguising some of our defensive plays, designed to confuse the opposition. :)
 
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Oh I love the pick.

It's more of indictment on how we've chosen to build the team since Parcells left. I'm fine spending 1st round picks on offense if you can get the defenders in free agency or through savvy trades, but we just haven't been able to do that.
The Quinn and Bennett trades are about as savvy as trades get...Guys just have to be available.
 

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in fairness, 4 of the next 5 picks were def and ceedee is too good to pass up imo. if he is by far the best player on the board, you take him.

This is an OFFENSIVE league. If we score 40 points per game and their defense can't stop us, who cares if our defense can't stop them? As long as we hold them under 40, I'm good. :laugh:
 

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The Quinn and Bennett trades are about as savvy as trades get...Guys just have to be available.
Sure. I liked the Quinn trade especially when it happened, but I'm just not as fond of those "one year rental" trades. I really don't think we would've been desperate enough to get Quinn in the first place had we not missed so badly on Gregory and Taco. It's also worth noting that the trades you mention happened very recently. It's been a carousel of JAGs besides those two haha.
 

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Today's recap from the Whispers segment. I thought most of this was good info, though JJT mentioned during the show how hard it is to be a football insider right now when there aren't any damn minicamps.

To get us through to another week, here we go:

1. JJT decided to dig a little bit into this Jamal Adams drama, and he felt the need to report on this because the Cowboys tried to make a play for him at the deadline last season, and they've been linked heavily to him this year. If you all remember, the Jets wanted the whole farm for Adams, and offered up suggestions like two firsts, or a first and Zack Martin, and other crazy propsects, which is why the deal didn't materialize. Supposedly, the consternation surrounding the whole Adams drama is that the Jets just haven't been straight up with him and his patience is running out with them. They initially told Jamal he'd have an extension at the end of last season and it never happened. They then told him to wait until the start of the league year, and as we know, that hasn't happened either. Had the Jets done the noble thing and told him that they were going to wait until after year 3 to get a deal done, I think this situation would play out a little differently because Jamal would at least have some transparency. Now - the Jets have themselves into a dilemma where their leader on defense is more or less demanding a trade.

As JJT noted though, you can bet the house that Jamal Adams isn't going anywhere because the Jets have his rights for a few more years, and you can take it to the bank that they aren't getting rid of him unless they get exactly what they want for him.

2. DeMarcus Ware said that Tank Lawrence has been reaching out to him and inquiring about rushing the passer from a two point stance. We've heard all offseason that Dallas is playing a 4-3 defense, with "3-4 principles", but this definitely raised eyebrows. We were told in 2017 that we didn't draft a monster like TJ Watt because there was no tape of him rushing with his hand on the ground. To all of our dismay, we took Soft Taco Charlton. JJT alluded to a guy like Herschel Walker. Johnson County High School, I-Formation, could not be stopped. University of Georgia, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. New Jersey Generals, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. Dallas Cowboys, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. Minnesota Vikings, split backfield, just a guy. Why are we even entertaining the idea of experimenting with arguably our best defender? JJT hopes that we can see Tank rushing standing up in practice before we ever unveil that on the field, because Tank has never done it before. It is easier on the body if you make these adjustments with aging pass rushers, but Tank is only 28.

JJT did note that Greg Ellis made the switch at age 31, and moaned and groaned and complained about it publicly and even more about it privately, saying the Cowboys were setting him up for failure. He had 52 sacks as a 4-3 DE, but what's interesting is that he had 25 sacks in 38 games and 6 forced fumbles after he switched to a 3-4 LB under the Parcells tutelage. He only had 5 seasons with 8 sacks or more, 2 of them were with Parcells in a 3-4. Additionally, his only Pro Bowl, where he amassed 12.5 sacks, was also with Parcells running a 3-4. So there is some evidence of success there historically.

3. Dived a little bit into analytics in this piece. Most of the top teams in the past decade have had, big time QB play. The Cowboys offense has been top 11 five times in the past 9 years, being top 10 in scoring 4 times. The defense has not nearly produced that type of consistency, being only top 10 3 times, and all of those were recently with Marinelli and Richard running a soft and predictable unit. I think it's backwards thinking, but this is why the Cowboys chose to draft a guy like CeeDee. They're fully vested in their offense, so they thought it was better to make their strength even stronger. As a team source put it, yeah that could've drafted a guy like Chaisson, but with the style of defense that the Cowboys want to play he would at best be a rotational guy for a few years. McCarthy likes to play 3 WRs and 1 RB, and CeeDee has the talent and ability to contribute immediately. So they wanted to fortify their offense rather than try and plug holes on defense.

That's all fine and dandy, and I like CeeDee and like the pick, but you absolutely have to invest in the defense too because that's what wins playoff games. Teams need some balance, and I hope that trotting out another "elite offense" in the 2020 playoffs (assuming we make it there) pays dividends. But we've been there before, and I'd really hate to see Aaron Rodgers send us packing again on a converted 3rd and 20 against soft coverage with a mediocre defense.

And that's all I got folks. Enjoy your weekend!

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Yes, thank you for posting. This is one of the few threads I'm always eager to read. I get tired of the Dak debates. I like to hear what insiders say.
 

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Oh I love the pick.

It's more of indictment on how we've chosen to build the team since Parcells left. I'm fine spending 1st round picks on offense if you can get the defenders in free agency or through savvy trades, but we just haven't been able to do that.

Parcells was never really in love with offense. So I can see him opting for defense guys. He ran a basic offense - long drives, don't make mistakes. He didn't really have use for flashing offenses. That's never really been his staple.
 

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No offense but I know more about Hebron High's Jamal Adams situation than JJT has stated here.

Jamal's agent team is driven by his Dad who was a former RB under Bill Parcells with the Giants.
His family is from a very upper middle class area near The Star.
The family has wanted Jamal close to home (constantly flirting with the Cowboys through known friends and ex-players in the area)... and Jamal wants to be the highest paid safety in the league.
He's not giving discounts but he'd love to be home and in a no income tax state.

The Jets see him as a young All Pro so want the world for him for sure but are also tired of his vocal social media outbursts and demands to be signed or traded.
He's removed the Jets from his social media at least twice.

The pressure is building to either sign the man or trade him.

Dallas was always at one pick for him much like they did with Amari. Trade a 1 then pay him the freight.

The deal becomes more possible now that Jets are down to a 1 and 3. Dallas isn't doing that but probably would do a 1 and 5 given all the comp picks they stacked next year.
If they get close they'll need to talk numbers with Adams team. They almost certainly aren't going to knock all other safeties numbers out of the park but realize he is All-Pro and will to the pile in salary.
 

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in fairness, 4 of the next 5 picks were def and ceedee is too good to pass up imo. if he is by far the best player on the board, you take him.
That, and we felt comfortable fortifying a D-Line in free agency with interior veterans who know how to play at elite levels.

The Lamb pick was the right pick.
 

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Today's recap from the Whispers segment. I thought most of this was good info, though JJT mentioned during the show how hard it is to be a football insider right now when there aren't any damn minicamps.

To get us through to another week, here we go:

1. JJT decided to dig a little bit into this Jamal Adams drama, and he felt the need to report on this because the Cowboys tried to make a play for him at the deadline last season, and they've been linked heavily to him this year. If you all remember, the Jets wanted the whole farm for Adams, and offered up suggestions like two firsts, or a first and Zack Martin, and other crazy propsects, which is why the deal didn't materialize. Supposedly, the consternation surrounding the whole Adams drama is that the Jets just haven't been straight up with him and his patience is running out with them. They initially told Jamal he'd have an extension at the end of last season and it never happened. They then told him to wait until the start of the league year, and as we know, that hasn't happened either. Had the Jets done the noble thing and told him that they were going to wait until after year 3 to get a deal done, I think this situation would play out a little differently because Jamal would at least have some transparency. Now - the Jets have themselves into a dilemma where their leader on defense is more or less demanding a trade.

As JJT noted though, you can bet the house that Jamal Adams isn't going anywhere because the Jets have his rights for a few more years, and you can take it to the bank that they aren't getting rid of him unless they get exactly what they want for him.

2. DeMarcus Ware said that Tank Lawrence has been reaching out to him and inquiring about rushing the passer from a two point stance. We've heard all offseason that Dallas is playing a 4-3 defense, with "3-4 principles", but this definitely raised eyebrows. We were told in 2017 that we didn't draft a monster like TJ Watt because there was no tape of him rushing with his hand on the ground. To all of our dismay, we took Soft Taco Charlton. JJT alluded to a guy like Herschel Walker. Johnson County High School, I-Formation, could not be stopped. University of Georgia, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. New Jersey Generals, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. Dallas Cowboys, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. Minnesota Vikings, split backfield, just a guy. Why are we even entertaining the idea of experimenting with arguably our best defender? JJT hopes that we can see Tank rushing standing up in practice before we ever unveil that on the field, because Tank has never done it before. It is easier on the body if you make these adjustments with aging pass rushers, but Tank is only 28.

JJT did note that Greg Ellis made the switch at age 31, and moaned and groaned and complained about it publicly and even more about it privately, saying the Cowboys were setting him up for failure. He had 52 sacks as a 4-3 DE, but what's interesting is that he had 25 sacks in 38 games and 6 forced fumbles after he switched to a 3-4 LB under the Parcells tutelage. He only had 5 seasons with 8 sacks or more, 2 of them were with Parcells in a 3-4. Additionally, his only Pro Bowl, where he amassed 12.5 sacks, was also with Parcells running a 3-4. So there is some evidence of success there historically.

3. Dived a little bit into analytics in this piece. Most of the top teams in the past decade have had, big time QB play. The Cowboys offense has been top 11 five times in the past 9 years, being top 10 in scoring 4 times. The defense has not nearly produced that type of consistency, being only top 10 3 times, and all of those were recently with Marinelli and Richard running a soft and predictable unit. I think it's backwards thinking, but this is why the Cowboys chose to draft a guy like CeeDee. They're fully vested in their offense, so they thought it was better to make their strength even stronger. As a team source put it, yeah that could've drafted a guy like Chaisson, but with the style of defense that the Cowboys want to play he would at best be a rotational guy for a few years. McCarthy likes to play 3 WRs and 1 RB, and CeeDee has the talent and ability to contribute immediately. So they wanted to fortify their offense rather than try and plug holes on defense.

That's all fine and dandy, and I like CeeDee and like the pick, but you absolutely have to invest in the defense too because that's what wins playoff games. Teams need some balance, and I hope that trotting out another "elite offense" in the 2020 playoffs (assuming we make it there) pays dividends. But we've been there before, and I'd really hate to see Aaron Rodgers send us packing again on a converted 3rd and 20 against soft coverage with a mediocre defense.

And that's all I got folks. Enjoy your weekend!

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So a 2nd round, 3rd round, 4th round, 5th round pick on defense isnt investing in the D? How about signing 2 free agent DT's & a safety? You cant fix every problem in 1 off-season.

No way you pass up on CeeDee Lamb.

as a matter of fact ... I bet if Dallas drafted Diggs with their 1st pick (if CeeDee wasnt there) nobody would have blinked an eye. I seen a lot of info that Diggs was a 1st round pick. Maybe some would have wanted Chaisson but it wouldnt have been a big deal
 

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Well the Adams slobberers will be out in force again.
I still say no way they should give a #1 for him. However, once Frederick is officially retired after June 1st they can clear cap room for him, if they did get a trade worked out and extend his contract. And if they were to be stupid and give away a #1 pick, they best have a contract worked out. Or else they give away a #1 for a 1 year player, that may or may not be THAT difference maker.
 
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