Twitter: Dak vs. Watson, Goff, Wentz

Super_Kazuya · May 29, 2020

Endzoneview said:
Prescott had his best statistical season in the NFL as he threw for nearly 5,000 yards, accounted for 33 touchdowns, and was the engineer of the league’s second best passing offense.

What could he do better?

“He could be Lamar Jackson” is the first thing that popped into my head.

QuincyCarterEra · May 29, 2020

mcmvp said:
Quite frankly, these numbers do tell a story. Dak’s inside the 10 yard line numbers are pretty bad. He is under 50% in his career. With a back like Zeke, and play-action, that number should be a lot higher. I’m not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

Quite frankly you have no idea if they're good or bad.

Zeke doesn't help Dak's cause as he doesn't load the box, and Dak has never had a good RZ threat in his career. Every team uses play action. I'm not sure how anyone could argue something that they have no clue about.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 29, 2020

Williamsboys said:
Where's the 8-8 chart??

so all the losses are attributed to Dak? is that what you are saying?

Cowboy4ever · May 29, 2020

JBS said:
"Watson is elite! He doesn't have bad games"

Except Ravens, Broncos, Buccs, and Panthers...

Watch other teams play!!!!

Dak would be hiding under a table somewhere in his mini skirt shaking if he had to play behind the line that Watson has had to play behind. We all saw what happened when he got Hit a little bit in one game, it took him a year to recover.

mcmvp · May 29, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
Quite frankly you have no idea if they're good or bad.

Zeke doesn't help Dak's cause as he doesn't load the box, and Dak has never had a good RZ threat in his career. Every team uses play action. I'm not sure how anyone could argue something that they have no clue about.

Are you really suggesting that having Zeke does not help Dak? Seriously?

There is no point in discussing it if you can’t be objective.

QuincyCarterEra · May 29, 2020

mcmvp said:
Are you really suggesting that having Zeke does not help Dak? Seriously?

There is no point in discussing it if you can’t be objective.

Bring some facts into Zeke loading the box and then we can talk, if Zeke doesn't do that then how the hell would he help Dak's completion %? Because we know Zeke is not a strong receiver.

The fact so many uninformed fans think RBs load the box compared to scheme and personnel grouping is so sad.

CowboysRule · May 29, 2020

Endzoneview said:
Prescott had his best statistical season in the NFL as he threw for nearly 5,000 yards, accounted for 33 touchdowns, and was the engineer of the league’s second best passing offense.

What could he do better?

Not rack up a bunch of stats during garbage time and against the bottom teams in the league (Commanders, Giants, Dolphins, etc).

mcmvp · May 29, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
Bring some facts into Zeke loading the box and then we can talk, if Zeke doesn't do that then how the hell would he help Dak's completion %? Because we know Zeke is not a strong receiver.

The fact so many uninformed fans think RBs load the box compared to scheme and personnel grouping is so sad.

Who said anything about stacking the box? If you don’t think D-coordinators instruct their players to focus on Zeke, wherever they are lined up pre-snap, then it’s a waste of time discussing football with you.

Gaede · May 29, 2020

Funny how the 'eye test' trumps all, for some.

What are you 'looking' at, in particular?

Hennessy_King · May 29, 2020

It's Dak for me. Watson is good but DHop constantly bailed him out. I mean like all the time. Go watch the games if you don't believe me. Wentz had 1 good season when the defense was playing so well and helped wentz stat pad with abandoning the run in the redzone. And he can't stay healthy which is the most important. Goff still can't read a defense and has to have his daddy tell him what to do b4 15 seconds on the play clock hits.

Fact is Dak has never had something all 3 of those qbs has had and thats a legit defense that can generate turnovers.
2016 Defensive takeaways
Philly 26
Cowboys 20
Rams 18

2017
Philly 31
Rams 28
Cowboys 21
Texans 16

2018
Rams 30
Texans 29
Cowboys 20
Eagles 17

2019
Rams 24
Texans 22
Eagles 20
Cowboys 17

Average
Rams 25
Philly 23.5
Texans 22.3
Cowboys 19.5

Sorry for the long post I could dive deeper and show those other teams also benefited from actual scores from their special teams and defenses way more than the cowboys have had. Dak has received close to zero help from this defense and special teams year in and year out. While these other qbs got to have top 5 defenses that generated top 5 takeaways. If dak had the help the other qbs have had his stats would be absolutely absurd at this point.

Hennessy_King · May 29, 2020

mcmvp said:
Who said anything about stacking the box? If you don’t think D-coordinators instruct their players to focus on Zeke, wherever they are lined up pre-snap, then it’s a waste of time discussing football with you.

Go fact check zeke was like bottom half of the league in running against a stacked box 8 players or more. Fact is our line has never come close to the 2016 form.

Hennessy_King · May 29, 2020

CowboysRule said:
Not rack up a bunch of stats during garbage time and against the bottom teams in the league (Commanders, Giants, Dolphins, etc).

This is false dak is 16th in attempts in "garbage time". NEXT!

CowboysRule · May 29, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
This is false dak is 16th in attempts in "garbage time". NEXT!

4 games he didn't pass for a TD(including the all-world Jets).
19 of his 30 TD's were against teams we would all consider bad.

What's your definition of garbage time to come up with that statistic?

Pola_pe_a · May 29, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
You aren't replying to a thread that is claiming Dak is elite, so that's a weird response, but to play along how are Mahomes and Russell Wilson elite if they're below average in the most important part of the field?

Point taken but there are quite a few posters that do consider him elite. Hell I’ve seen people on here claim he’s better than Mahomes.
Regarding your other point, I would bet both would admit to needing to be more efficient in the RZ. I think some of Wilson can be attributed to average at best WR’s. And the majority of Mahomes TD’s came form outside the 20 which shows his big play ability. I also think both do better where the field is more wide open which allows them to use their legs more. Roll-outs in the RZ essentially cut-off half the field. I do consider both elite based on the totality of their games, Wentz has very good RZ #’s but I don’t consider him elite either. I think Dak and Wentz are both very good young QB’s but the idea that either Is top 5 is flawed IMO.

QuincyCarterEra · May 29, 2020

Pola_pe_a said:
Point taken but there are quite a few posters that do consider him elite. Hell I’ve seen people on here claim he’s better than Mahomes.
Regarding your other point, I would bet both would admit to needing to be more efficient in the RZ. I think some of Wilson can be attributed to average at best WR’s. And the majority of Mahomes TD’s came form outside the 20 which shows his big play ability. I also think both do better where the field is more wide open which allows them to use their legs more. Roll-outs in the RZ essentially cut-off half the field. I do consider both elite based on the totality of their games, Wentz has very good RZ #’s but I don’t consider him elite either. I think Dak and Wentz are both very good young QB’s but the idea that either Is top 5 is flawed IMO.

I don't agree entirely with your post, but I respect it.

StuckMojo · May 29, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
Bring some facts into Zeke loading the box and then we can talk, if Zeke doesn't do that then how the hell would he help Dak's completion %? Because we know Zeke is not a strong receiver.

The fact so many uninformed fans think RBs load the box compared to scheme and personnel grouping is so sad.

You don’t have to load box to scheme against the run game.

Hennessy_King · May 29, 2020

CowboysRule said:
4 games he didn't pass for a TD(including the all-world Jets).
19 of his 30 TD's were against teams we would all consider bad.

What's your definition of garbage time to come up with that statistic?

Garbage time i believe is in the last 3 minutes down by 2 or more scores

Pola_pe_a · May 29, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
It's Dak for me. Watson is good but DHop constantly bailed him out. I mean like all the time. Go watch the games if you don't believe me. Wentz had 1 good season when the defense was playing so well and helped wentz stat pad with abandoning the run in the redzone. And he can't stay healthy which is the most important. Goff still can't read a defense and has to have his daddy tell him what to do b4 15 seconds on the play clock hits.

Fact is Dak has never had something all 3 of those qbs has had and thats a legit defense that can generate turnovers.
2016 Defensive takeaways
Philly 26
Cowboys 20
Rams 18

2017
Philly 31
Rams 28
Cowboys 21
Texans 16

2018
Rams 30
Texans 29
Cowboys 20
Eagles 17

2019
Rams 24
Texans 22
Eagles 20
Cowboys 17

Average
Rams 25
Philly 23.5
Texans 22.3
Cowboys 19.5

Sorry for the long post I could dive deeper and show those other teams also benefited from actual scores from their special teams and defenses way more than the cowboys have had. Dak has received close to zero help from this defense and special teams year in and year out. While these other qbs got to have top 5 defenses that generated top 5 takeaways. If dak had the help the other qbs have had his stats would be absolutely absurd at this point.

Call me crazy but I judge D’s by points allowed more than anything.

Pts / game. (NFL rank)
2016
Dal 19.1. (5)
Hou 20.5 (11)
Phil 20.7. (12)

2017
Phil 18.4. (4)
Dal 20.8. (13)
Hou 27.3 (32)

2018
Hou 19.8. (5)
Dal 20.3. (6)
Phl 21.8. (12)

2019
Dal 20.1. (11)
Phl 22.1 (15)
Hou 24.1 (19)

Av
Dal 20.07
Phl 20.75
Hou 22.96

Turnovers are fine but points are what matter and Dallas has had the better scoring D over the past 4 seasons. Neither a Hou or Philly have elite D’s,

mcmvp · May 29, 2020

Pola_pe_a said:
Neither Hou or Philly have elite D’s,

True words...

I don’t know anyone who could look at the Eagles defense last year and think ‘elite’...They were actually pretty horrid

Hennessy_King · May 29, 2020

Pola_pe_a said:
Call me crazy but I judge D’s by points allowed more than anything.

Pts / game. (NFL rank)
2016
Dal 19.1. (5)
Hou 20.5 (11)
Phil 20.7. (12)

2017
Phil 18.4. (4)
Dal 20.8. (13)
Hou 27.3 (32)

2018
Hou 19.8. (5)
Dal 20.3. (6)
Phl 21.8. (12)

2019
Dal 20.1. (11)
Phl 22.1 (15)
Hou 24.1 (19)

Av
Dal 20.07
Phl 20.75
Hou 22.96

Turnovers are fine but points are what matter and Dallas has had the better scoring D over the past 4 seasons. Neither a Hou or Philly have elite D’s,

Points allowed per game doesnt tell the whole story.
Cowboys dvoa was 18th, 25th, 9th, 19th
Eagles 4th, 5th, 15th, 12th
Texans 9th, 23rd, 7th, 26th

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