Recap: JJT: Whispers from the Star (5/29)

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That, and we felt comfortable fortifying a D-Line in free agency with interior veterans who know how to play at elite levels.

The Lamb pick was the right pick.

I was a big fan of taking Chaisson and almost nailed the first two pick on him and Diggs. But even I will gladly admit that the Cowboys made the right choice and got a top 10 player at #17.
 

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When the offense has a turnover then the defense needs to step up and get a stop, a turnover or hold to 3 points. Special teams didn't do any favors either. The defense can't give up 3 TDs on the first 3 possessions, period. With Garrett they struggled the first few possessions last year...... when the plays are scripted.

While I don't disagree, if you are relying on your offense, like Garrett was, then it has to be special, it has to be the one scoring three TDs on the first three possessions. Garrett could not put an offense like that on the field no matter the players that he's had because the system always was in the way. The best great players could do in his system was make the offense very good.

Our defense was built (or not built, depending on how you look at it) to be carried by an elite offense. While Garrett wasn't capable of producing that, McCarthy has shown that he is, with the primary question being was it because he had Rodgers at quarterback. (Considering that some elite quarterbacks have not experienced the same kind of success, I'm of the opinion that it wasn't all due to having Rodgers.)

I want our defense to be better, but if drafting Lamb helps us have an elite offense to carry a weaker defense, precedent has shown that Super Bowls can be won that way. (They can also be won by an elite defense carrying a weaker offense.)
 

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No offense but I know more about Hebron High's Jamal Adams situation than JJT has stated here.

Jamal's agent team is driven by his Dad who was a former RB under Bill Parcells with the Giants.
His family is from a very upper middle class area near The Star.
The family has wanted Jamal close to home (constantly flirting with the Cowboys through known friends and ex-players in the area)... and Jamal wants to be the highest paid safety in the league.
He's not giving discounts but he'd love to be home and in a no income tax state.

The Jets see him as a young All Pro so want the world for him for sure but are also tired of his vocal social media outbursts and demands to be signed or traded.
He's removed the Jets from his social media at least twice.

The pressure is building to either sign the man or trade him.

Dallas was always at one pick for him much like they did with Amari. Trade a 1 then pay him the freight.

The deal becomes more possible now that Jets are down to a 1 and 3. Dallas isn't doing that but probably would do a 1 and 5 given all the comp picks they stacked next year.
If they get close they'll need to talk numbers with Adams team. They almost certainly aren't going to knock all other safeties numbers out of the park but realize he is All-Pro and will to the pile in salary.
I'm begging for some speculation, Amigo. If you had to guess, is this trade happening this season?
 
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You know why I love defense so much..When the opposition scores Once, we need Two scores to go ahead..(as long as the scores are the same way)..When we hold the oppositions offense, One score puts us ahead..And there's nothing much better in football than rushing the passer and sacking his a#@.
 

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Well the Adams slobberers will be out in force again.
I still say no way they should give a #1 for him. However, once Frederick is officially retired after June 1st they can clear cap room for him, if they did get a trade worked out and extend his contract. And if they were to be stupid and give away a #1 pick, they best have a contract worked out. Or else they give away a #1 for a 1 year player, that may or may not be THAT difference maker.
Dallas currently has the 5th highest odds to win a Super Bowl.. BEFORE adding Adams.
That isn't necessarily 1 to 1 but 5th best would be the 27th pick in round 1.

Trading a pick forecast to be in the late 20s or lower for Adams is a no brainer.
He is the best player in the league at his position.
 

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I'm begging for some speculation, Amigo. If you had to guess, is this trade happening this season?
No :(
I don't think it will.
I think Adams camp pushes the Cowboys hard but the Jets can get better offers from teams whose first will likely be much higher.

But I'd love for it to happen.
 

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Dallas currently has the 5th highest odds to win a Super Bowl.. BEFORE adding Adams.
That isn't necessarily 1 to 1 but 5th best would be the 27th pick in round 1.

Trading a pick forecast to be in the late 20s or lower for Adams is a no brainer.
He is the best player in the league at his position.

giving up a #1 for a one year rental unless we make him the highest paid S is not worth it. Unless he guarantees us that 32nd. Pick. I rather have that 27th and with the comp picks we can trade up. Without that 27th pick then we don’t have any leverage to trade up. And also at 27th means we didn’t need him as we did that well without him.
 

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2016 was a defensive disaster, man. We were down 21-3 before we even knew what hit us.

2014 should've been the year and had we been better coached that game would've been a gimme. I still say to this day if Murray doesn't fumble that ball, we play Seattle in the conference championship.

Yeah, that was a HUGE fumble. Sad thing about it, I was waiting for it all year. Murray carried the football like a loaf of bread. I was thinking all during the season, "It's only a matter of time." Unfortunately, it came at the most inopportune time - the post season. :(
 

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I was a big fan of taking Chaisson and almost nailed the first two pick on him and Diggs. But even I will gladly admit that the Cowboys made the right choice and got a top 10 player at #17.
I was lukewarm on Chaisson. Figured him to be what they said he’d be, kind of a project not yet ready to make an impact.
Lamb was an unreal pick at 17. Trevon Diggs was damn near the same. Just unreal. The fact that he’s been practicing against his brother, Tavon, a fairly elite NFL WR in his own right only makes this pick even more compelling. So excited for Trevon!

I’m high on Neville from OU as well. Welcome to the states sir Canadian.
 

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2. DeMarcus Ware said that Tank Lawrence has been reaching out to him and inquiring about rushing the passer from a two point stance. We've heard all offseason that Dallas is playing a 4-3 defense, with "3-4 principles", but this definitely raised eyebrows. We were told in 2017 that we didn't draft a monster like TJ Watt because there was no tape of him rushing with his hand on the ground. To all of our dismay, we took Soft Taco Charlton. JJT alluded to a guy like Herschel Walker. Johnson County High School, I-Formation, could not be stopped. University of Georgia, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. New Jersey Generals, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. Dallas Cowboys, I-Formation, couldn't be stopped. Minnesota Vikings, split backfield, just a guy. Why are we even entertaining the idea of experimenting with arguably our best defender? JJT hopes that we can see Tank rushing standing up in practice before we ever unveil that on the field, because Tank has never done it before. It is easier on the body if you make these adjustments with aging pass rushers, but Tank is only 28.

JJT did note that Greg Ellis made the switch at age 31, and moaned and groaned and complained about it publicly and even more about it privately, saying the Cowboys were setting him up for failure. He had 52 sacks as a 4-3 DE, but what's interesting is that he had 25 sacks in 38 games and 6 forced fumbles after he switched to a 3-4 LB under the Parcells tutelage. He only had 5 seasons with 8 sacks or more, 2 of them were with Parcells in a 3-4. Additionally, his only Pro Bowl, where he amassed 12.5 sacks, was also with Parcells running a 3-4. So there is some evidence of success there historically.


:starspin:

Pardon me if someone may have already brought to attention, but Wasn't the pro bowl year Ellis had in 2007, was more under HC Wade Philips , rather than Parcells ?
:huh:
 
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Pardon me if someone may have already brought to attention, but Wasn't the pro bowl year Ellis had in 2007, was more under HC Wade Philips , rather than Parcells ?
:huh:
Yeah - I think two people have.

After listening again, I think JJT was referring to him having his best season in a 3-4, not necessarily working specifically for Parcells.
 

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This defense reminds me of an interesting historical fact:

As prolific as Tom Landry was with his defense and it's design, the Cowboys were never ranked #1 defensively in both scoring and yardage. The same is true for Jimmy Johnson and his defense. That also goes for the great defense that was built during the draft that took Ware, Spears, Ratliff, Barnett and Canty.

Strangely enough, the Cowboys have been ranked #1 in both categories three times offensively.

Anyway, the closest that the Cowboys came to ranking #1 in both categories defensively was when they ranked #1 in yardage and #2 in scoring. The year was 2003 and it was Bill Parcells first season as the Cowboy Head Coach.

Bill Parcells wanted to change the defense to a 3-4 but felt that he lacked the personel and the time. Therefore, he entered the 2003 season with a 4-3 defense. However, that didn't stop him from installing certain 3-4 concepts into the defense, most notably, the "mystery" pass rusher.

One of the basic concepts of a traditional 3-4 is the element of surprise when it comes to the pass rush. the three linemen will rush but you don't know who the 4th guy is. It could be anyone from a linebacker to a CB, the offense wouldn't know and that would mess up the pass blocking. That season, 10 of 11 Cowboy defensive starters had at least one sack. Often, a DE would take a receiver like a RB or TE.

So I guess you could say that in 2003 the Cowboys had a "hybrid" defense and that defense is responsible for the best statistical performance in Dallas Cowboy history. Somehow, it actually got the Cowboys to a playoff game with an offense that featured Quincy Carter at QB.
 

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giving up a #1 for a one year rental unless we make him the highest paid S is not worth it. Unless he guarantees us that 32nd. Pick. I rather have that 27th and with the comp picks we can trade up. Without that 27th pick then we don’t have any leverage to trade up. And also at 27th means we didn’t need him as we did that well without him.
he's not a rental. as you see Dallas can use the tag to keep him.
you are trading for his rights.
a late first isn't worth all that much to really good teams.
certainly not comparable to an all-pro.
this isn't even a discussion if the Jets were tired of fighting with his team.
 

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I was a big fan of taking Chaisson and almost nailed the first two pick on him and Diggs. But even I will gladly admit that the Cowboys made the right choice and got a top 10 player at #17.

Chaisson was my #1 target as well heading into the draft. That said, I never gave thought to even Lamb being available at that spot. Am totally stoked we nabbed him.

This also gives us financial flexibility in two years when Cooper can be released without a detrimental impact on the cap.
 

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he's not a rental. as you see Dallas can use the tag to keep him.
you are trading for his rights.
a late first isn't worth all that much to really good teams.
certainly not comparable to an all-pro.
this isn't even a discussion if the Jets were tired of fighting with his team.

And what if Dak plays on the tag, and same stuff next year, who gets tagged?
No thanks.
If a trade, he needs to agree to a new deal also. I still think it is too high of a price, when they can see what they have this season and draft one next year. However, if a trade happens I will support the player.
 

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Losing Gregg Ellis for the season in 06 was huge. 05 it was flo and 06 it was ellis. Huge losses that had a big effect on the team.
 
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