Review of Cowboys Losses in 2019

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LMAO. Someone’s got a problem. LOL is there anybody you Haven’t tried to insult today. This is going to get good
Of course .....they are there for you to find...since you are so interested.

Me in Roy...well..we got us a special relationship. I think in real life we'd prolly get along. But here it seems we're just gonna keep digging at the scab.

I answer his questions precisely...and keeps finding something to bleed. But it's ME you come at? LOL....I suppose yo're like typical NFL refs...you never see the first foul....only the retaliation.
 

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You call him running the first team. Scrubs.


I never said any such thing. You've let your agenda against me ruin you reading comprehension.

What I said is I've never seen him run the first team, certainly not for any meaningful length of time. . Only preseason scrubs.

Dak got to run the 1st teamers right from the get go. That's when we found out he was a real QB. That's the only way to really know for sure.

I remember watching Rodgers run the pres season scrubs. Seemed to me he might make a good QB. Then he got 1st teamers and became one of the best.

This is what I am talking about. But you can come at me again if you want.
 

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A little hypocritical aren’t you. The hypocrisy of it all. It’s OK for you to throw insults but no one else please. Are you getting off on the wrong foot


Oh my....

Once again...I never said one can't throw an insult or so. You been putting words in my mouth, arguing stuff I've never actually said at all. Certainly trying to get us off on the wrong foot.
 

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Well your explanation of Zeke doesn’t run the team. It’s totally obvious. When I clearly stated pappy thinks he does. So if you’re gonna respond respond to the correct statement. Not something you just want to throw in there just because


Did you ever stop to think that maybe I was supporting your statement? Not every single reply is contrarian.

We were in agreement yet you want to argue about it.

by the way...don;t you think six replies in a row coming at me is a bit...excessive? I've lost track of where I've responded to you. Just gonna let it go for now.
 

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I really don't care what you will give them. Why would you give the whole roster a free pass? Dumbest thing I ever heard.

Are you incapable of analyzing who was good and who wasn't?


Because it's a new coaching system. We've been talking about how garrett makes dumb decisions and a bad coach. That players might have even "given up". ( I don't necessarily agree.) So how do I really know how to truly assess the players until MM and his new staff get ahold of them?

Maybe by the first game I'll be unreasonably judgmental?

And your last question....I am not totally sure if I am or not. I'm mostly an "eye test" kind of guy. I just look at if you do your job or not. Did you make the tackle? Catch the ball? Run to the hole instead of up the Oline backs? Did you make the play or not?

I'm not gonna pretend I am some kind of in-the-know NFL expert that sits in meetings and huddles and on the headphones and runs the drills etc.
 

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Because it's a new coaching system. We've been talking about how garrett makes dumb decisions and a bad coach. That players might have even "given up". ( I don't necessarily agree.) So how do I really know how to truly assess the players until MM and his new staff get ahold of them?

Maybe by the first game I'll be unreasonably judgmental?

And your last question....I am not totally sure if I am or not. I'm mostly an "eye test" kind of guy. I just look at if you do your job or not. Did you make the tackle? Catch the ball? Run to the hole instead of up the Oline backs? Did you make the play or not?

I'm not gonna pretend I am some kind of in-the-know NFL expert that sits in meetings and huddles and on the headphones and runs the drills etc.

I think some guys you can give a free pass, but guys like Dak or Cooper, Lawrence guys like that you can already tell how good they are.

Now I would like to see Zeke with a REAL HC in a REAL system. Pollard too. But not sure they need a free pass.

Hill? Maybe he gets a free pass.

Jordan Lewis? Now there is a guy I definitely give a free pass to.

Was really just interested in who you meant giving a free pass to. But like always, you have to pull some kind of freak out.
 

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I think some guys you can give a free pass, but guys like Dak or Cooper, Lawrence guys like that you can already tell how good they are.

Now I would like to see Zeke with a REAL HC in a REAL system. Pollard too. But not sure they need a free pass.

Hill? Maybe he gets a free pass.

Jordan Lewis? Now there is a guy I definitely give a free pass to.

Was really just interested in who you meant giving a free pass to. But like always, you have to pull some kind of freak out.


I wasn't the one freaking out. When I said everyone...that's what I meant. That is just me. My own view and opinion.

You were the one that freaked out: "WHO DO YOU MEAN"?

I meant what I said...it was a very simple statement, that you wanted a fight about. Can we move on?
 

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Dak's QB score correlates great with win/loss. 6 top games, all W. 6 worst games, all L. But likely the causation goes in both directions. I wish there was a table for QBR per game.
Dak worst games
GB 3 int (only multi int game), CHI, PHI, NO, NWE.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01/gamelog/2019/

When Dak ran 5 or more times, we won 4.
When Dak ran 1 or less times, we lost 4. Not running against NE was so dumb.
Dak's Bad Pass% varied a lot, but surprisingly didn't correlate that well with win/loss.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01/gamelog/2019/advanced/

Looking at the team Expected Points
ST only had 2 positive games.
Defense was about 55-45 negative.
The offense is the strength of the team. W/L pretty well correlates with offensive Expected Points. Top 6 are wins, bottom 5 are losses.

The offense only had 2 negative games, at Philly and NE. Those were 2 of 3 of Dak's worst rated games too. Last one was NO +1.

Pats, the defense +7, offense -7, st -4.
Philly defense -10, offense -6, st +3

The only game where ST and Defense were net positive and we lost was NE.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2019.htm

Dak, like many QBs starts taking more chances later in the game when they're behind on the scoreboard.

That leads to a lower Passer Rating because INTs and incomplete passes are more likely.

The pass rush is a bigger issue in those situations because there is not threat of the run for defenses to defend.

We would need the 1st half passer rating to really make sense of it on a game by game basis.

I like to look at INTs with regards to when they happened in the game.
- The Green Bay game definitely points to some blame on Dak because he had 2 INTs in the 1st half.
- When looking at reasons they lost which is was the point of this thread, the 2 early INTs were definitely a big issue.
- If I were reviewing the play of the QB like reviewing a draft prospect, I wouldn't be too concerned with those 2 specific INTs.
- One hit Cooper in the hands; although it was a deep crossing route and should have been a bit more in front of him.
- The 2nd one was a terrific play by a DB to come underneath and get a good jump and bring the ball down with 1 hand.
 

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It has been 26 years since we reached a super bowl . We need a great Defense to win one . Dak is not helping . But I can see you love him and believe he is so much better than dalton . I don’t agree .
I don’t agree that we need a great defense. We need a solid defense a great coach.
 

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Did you ever stop to think that maybe I was supporting your statement? Not every single reply is contrarian.

We were in agreement yet you want to argue about it.

by the way...don;t you think six replies in a row coming at me is a bit...excessive? I've lost track of where I've responded to you. Just gonna let it go for now.
Every reply was from a different reply from you. I thought you’d appreciate the respect of answering you
 

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:clap::clap: You are the proud winner of the "BLAME ANYONE BAR DAK Award".

….and fans on here wonder why there are reactionary trolls.

If that's the kind of claim his agent is making no wonder the negotiations are stalling.
 

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Review of 2019 Cowboys losses with regards to QB performance:

The Bears, Vikings, Packers and Bills didn't lose in 2019 when they scored as many points as they scored against the Cowboys.

That means those 4 games were defensive losses.

That leaves 4 games that might have been offensive losses:
  • Game 6: Starting OTs were rookie UDFA Brandon Knight and Cam Fleming.

  • Game 4: The Cowboys had a season low in rushing yards with 45 and a season high in fumbles lost with Witten and Zeke with 1 each.

  • Game 15: Dak injured his shoulder prior to that game. He would not have played if they had legit backup like Dalton in 2019.

  • Game 11: In the 1st quarter with the score at 0-0, the Cowboys missed a field goal and on their next possession had a blocked punt that gave the opponent the ball with 12 yards to go for a TD. That's a 10 point swing due to special teams in a game they lost by 4 points...
reviewing games from JG era are pointless now that we have new coaches.
I have a bunch of them , and thought about just getting rid of them especially last years games.
 

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I don’t agree that we need a great defense. We need a solid defense a great coach.
Our defense is not that good , it could be good if not for a selfish Dak milking an organization that believed in him early when no one cared , (offering him top 2-3 money now ), and A fan base that supported him .
But for Dak , it seems a little more money is more important .
If the cowboys Want to win Super Bowls you need 45+ sacks usually . Dallas is around 35 . A great QB Can overcome an average defense . But Dak is not in that club from what I have seen . I sincerely hope am wrong and he ends up leading the cowboys to a super bowl as Jerry is about to write him a check that will tie Up this franchise for at least 5 years . A big big bet .
 

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Dak, like many QBs starts taking more chances later in the game when they're behind on the scoreboard.

That leads to a lower Passer Rating because INTs and incomplete passes are more likely.

The pass rush is a bigger issue in those situations because there is not threat of the run for defenses to defend.

We would need the 1st half passer rating to really make sense of it on a game by game basis.

I like to look at INTs with regards to when they happened in the game.
- The Green Bay game definitely points to some blame on Dak because he had 2 INTs in the 1st half.
- When looking at reasons they lost which is was the point of this thread, the 2 early INTs were definitely a big issue.
- If I were reviewing the play of the QB like reviewing a draft prospect, I wouldn't be too concerned with those 2 specific INTs.
- One hit Cooper in the hands; although it was a deep crossing route and should have been a bit more in front of him.
- The 2nd one was a terrific play by a DB to come underneath and get a good jump and bring the ball down with 1 hand.

I sorted on pass rush too. Sacks, hurries, hits. The trend was as you'd expect. Some games they didn't seem to matter. Similar story with bad throw %. You'd have to go and see what happened in the game.

Philly he was often missing wide open receivers. Injury was the most reasonable explanation for that, as he rolled in the game before and after.

NE had bad conditions, but that really should have given him an advantage over Brady. Dak can run and didn't. Dak and the team did contribute to their failure, as I think it was well into the 2nd that they decide Dak should wear a glove. That's the kind of thing they should have worked out before the season even started.

Two bad games, one which he shouldn't have been playing, and another where our coaching incompetence held him back yet again. Otherwise, I thought he was good all year. I was honestly amazed at how well he improved his deep accuracy.

The end of the game splits are pretty grim. Final 2 minutes, final 4 minutes. If people want to make a case against him, that's where to start, but you actually have to look and see how he played.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01/splits/2019/
 

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Our defense is not that good , it could be good if not for a selfish Dak milking an organization that believed in him early when no one cared , (offering him top 2-3 money now ), and A fan base that supported him .
But for Dak , it seems a little more money is more important .
If the cowboys Want to win Super Bowls you need 45+ sacks usually . Dallas is around 35 . A great QB Can overcome an average defense . But Dak is not in that club from what I have seen . I sincerely hope am wrong and he ends up leading the cowboys to a super bowl as Jerry is about to write him a check that will tie Up this franchise for at least 5 years . A big big bet .
Totally disagree . You using the salary cap as an excuse it’s never been an issue. It never will be
 

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I never said any such thing. You've let your agenda against me ruin you reading comprehension.

What I said is I've never seen him run the first team, certainly not for any meaningful length of time. . Only preseason scrubs.

Dak got to run the 1st teamers right from the get go. That's when we found out he was a real QB. That's the only way to really know for sure.

I remember watching Rodgers run the pres season scrubs. Seemed to me he might make a good QB. Then he got 1st teamers and became one of the best.

This is what I am talking about. But you can come at me again if you want.
No what you said was. He’s only run a bunch of scrubs
 

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I sorted on pass rush too. Sacks, hurries, hits. The trend was as you'd expect. Some games they didn't seem to matter. Similar story with bad throw %. You'd have to go and see what happened in the game.

Philly he was often missing wide open receivers. Injury was the most reasonable explanation for that, as he rolled in the game before and after.

NE had bad conditions, but that really should have given him an advantage over Brady. Dak can run and didn't. Dak and the team did contribute to their failure, as I think it was well into the 2nd that they decide Dak should wear a glove. That's the kind of thing they should have worked out before the season even started.

Two bad games, one which he shouldn't have been playing, and another where our coaching incompetence held him back yet again. Otherwise, I thought he was good all year. I was honestly amazed at how well he improved his deep accuracy.

The end of the game splits are pretty grim. Final 2 minutes, final 4 minutes. If people want to make a case against him, that's where to start, but you actually have to look and see how he played.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01/splits/2019/

Good post.

Yes, his accuracy was significantly improved in 2019.
  • He worked on a new throwing motion back in the 2018 off-season and training camp.
  • He started the 2018 season with the new throwing motion but morphed back to his previous style a few games into the season.
  • I'm certain he went back to the new throwing motion to start the 2019 off-season and he was confident with it by the time the season started.
 

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reviewing games from JG era are pointless now that we have new coaches.
I have a bunch of them , and thought about just getting rid of them especially last years games.

With the availability of the coaching film I don't have to worry about saving video of games.

I have VCR tapes from the late eighties of Cowboy games.

For a few years I had a TIVO that I could access from my computer to archive recorded games.

Now I just save college games for the purpose of reviewing draft prospects.

GamePass now has games back to 2009.
 

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Good post.

Yes, his accuracy was significantly improved in 2019.
  • He worked on a new throwing motion back in the 2018 off-season and training camp.
  • He started the 2018 season with the new throwing motion but morphed back to his previous style a few games into the season.
  • I'm certain he went back to the new throwing motion to start the 2019 off-season and he was confident with it by the time the season started.

Dak's motion was awful for a while. He'd try to muscle it overhand. I don't remember seeing any of that this last year.
 
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