Worst Cowboys HC since we won a championship?

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fivetwos said:
When you look at the rosters each had, and compare the 5-11 Campo teams to the three more win Garrett teams it's kind of comical.

Both feasted on the fact that the Commanders have stunk for quite some time, eachs W/L record would be considerably worse.
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Campo was probably the better x and o coach .

But his influence assembling talent and personnel Mgmt didn’t help us enough. Must have talent.

Coaching begins with assembling talent . Without it even the greatest coaches are reduced to rubble.
 
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Coaches always get credit for the drafts because they are the greatest influence on the needs of the team. And the kind of talent which fits their schemes and vision.

At every coaching level it begins with selecting the talent.

Look how critical recruiting is at the college level. Drafts are equally important in NFL.

Im sure many of Garrett’s critics want to call it coincidental but our better drafts and team building begun in 2011. Despite however crappy you believe Garrett was on Gameday , and his flaws were notable, he was the major influence in changing our dysfunctional organization to a more normal situation with McClay bringing more respect to our front office despite Jerry’s foolishness.
 
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Big_D said:
McClay would've been lost without him.
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McClay was brought in with Garrett’s influence. They worked very well together. The Dallas paper we can’t quote or link called them the hardest working duo in years for the Cowboys crediting for bringing some respect back to the Cowboys front office. Along with the most talent since Bill and maybe Jimmy.
 
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Diehardblues said:
Campo was probably the better x and o coach .

But his influence assembling talent and personnel Mgmt didn’t help us enough. Must have talent.

Coaching begins with assembling talent . Without it even the greatest coaches are reduced to rubble.
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Not that I am defending Campo but the team was in salary cap hell when he was coach. Personally I think you are giving coaches way too much credit for rosters but if you are going to do that you have to make it apples to apples.
 
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cml750 said:
Not that I am defending Campo but the team was in salary cap hell when he was coach. Personally I think you are giving coaches way too much credit for rosters but if you are going to do that you have to make it apples to apples.
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I agree with Salary Cap hell but he still had the draft to bring in talent.
 
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Beast_from_East said:
This cant be both ways fellas...………...if judging on results, then Switzer is the best since he actually is walking around with a ring right now.

Now if the argument is what talent level they had to work with, then Campo is dam near the top. Dude had basically expansion level rosters and went 5-11 three straight years.

Garrett went 8-8 three straight years with a legit franchise QB in Romo and other probowlers on the roster as well.

So Campo with 5 Ws and a trash roster and Garrett with 8 Ws and multiple probowl roster.

Yet Garrett is supposedly the best since Landry...……..Baaaahaaaabaaaa………….only in the mind of his fanboys, all three of them left here.
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I didn’t say that Garrett is the best since Landry.
 
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Diehardblues said:
McClay was brought in with Garrett’s influence. They worked very well together. The Dallas paper we can’t quote or link called them the hardest working duo in years for the Cowboys crediting for bringing some respect back to the Cowboys front office. Along with the most talent since Bill and maybe Jimmy.
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Again, Ciskowski was running the drafts until 2014.
 
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cern said:
I will never understand why people think jason should have been a gm, not a coach. He has never done anything to suggest he would have been a good gm. Nothing at all.
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Because they have to find a role for him somewhere. Because he wears the suit on his coaches show and has the Princeton degree and conducts the "polished" press conferences, people think the front office would be better for him.

But yes, it's bizarre that he got such special treatment. No other coach has had people fall over themselves to create a role for him like Garrett.

Sometimes people just aren't very good and need to be fired all the way out of the organization.
 
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Chocolate Lab said:
Again, Ciskowski was running the drafts until 2014.
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I understand but Will was brought in 2011 as director of research / personnel specialist working the draft and credited for much of the success finding Garrett’s RKG and hence the promotion in 2014. Thats certainly my take from the local media I followed.
 
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Diehardblues said:
I understand but Will was brought in 2011 as director of research / personnel specialist working the draft and credited for much of the success finding Garrett’s RKG and hence the promotion in 2014. Thats certainly my take from the local media I followed.
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Look at his Wikipedia page... he was "brought in" in 2009 when the AFL and Desperadoes folded. Of course he'd worked for Jerry since the early 2000s.

But of course your take is always whatever puts Garrett in the most favorable light possible, even with scant evidence.
 

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cern said:
Given the talent on his teams, the amount of time he had to achieve success and the unrequited love of the owner, garrett was hands down the worst.
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Clap on...Clap off...Clap on....Clap off.... the Clapper! Should have been fired years ago but they kept him on as head coach but when they lost to the freaking Jets last year that was it for me, Garrett was a total disgrace to the franchise!
 
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Chocolate Lab said:
Look at his Wikipedia page... he was "brought in" in 2009 when the AFL and Desperadoes folded. Of course he'd worked for Jerry since the early 2000s.

But of course your take is always whatever puts Garrett in the most favorable light possible, even with scant evidence.
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He didn’t become involved with the drafts and personnel until 2011. Before he was with the Desperados I believe without looking it up.
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Like I’ve maintained . I usually follow the beat writers and local media covering the Cowboys more closely than I do. And tend to align with much of their thoughts. Do I look for ones who tend to lean more to my view. Of course. But I trust them much more than national talking heads in the media or fans on an anonymous forum.
 
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Diehardblues said:
Campo was probably the better x and o coach .

But his influence assembling talent and personnel Mgmt didn’t help us enough. Must have talent.

Coaching begins with assembling talent . Without it even the greatest coaches are reduced to rubble.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Which makes your question all that more difficult. One could argue Switzer. What did he really do? It's not like he came in and revamped the team. He did the equivalent of locking Jimmy in a closet and taking over. It was all downhill from when he took over despite winning a SB.

Wade Phillips was a disaster. Took over a peaking Parcells team and then fell off a cliff. Awful head coach. He had talent.

Then Jason Garrett. The largest sample size. He did the most damage but I blame that on Jerry. He held on to an average coach for 9 years.

I'd have to say Wade was the worst. He wasn't even average and the entire team quit playing.
 
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Garrett..

Campo was in as bad as a situation as possible and at least he didn't create the illusion that we had a shot at doing something.

Garrett had us stuck in mediocrity for a decade and he had some fantastic rosters to work with and he was a direct reason why we lost a lot of games and he gave opposing defenses a big advantage by always playing into our tendencies.
 
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Only one head coach in the history of the Cowboys never won the NFC East, never made the playoffs, and left with a losing record.

Dave Campo after three seasons, 48 games, had 15 Ws and 33 Ls for a whopping .313%. Before him, Chan Gailey, had one NFC East title and two play-off appearances compiling an 18-14 record and a .563%. After him Bill Parcells had a 34-30 record, .531%, and two play-off berths.

Dave Campo is the only coach in Cowboy history with a losing record.
 
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