Garrett or Dak to blame?

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Irvin88_4life said:
So I decided to look at records and teams that Garrett coached and see if Garrett is the reason for losing or if it's because of Dak.....

I didn't use any playoff games, just regular season. I also didn't use GB or division opponents

Saints 2-5
Arizona 1-3
Patriots 0-3
Seattle 2-4
Bills 1-2
Bears 2-3
Panthers 0-3
Falcons 1-3
Chargers 0-2
Broncos 0-2
Jets 0-3

While we do see a couple of good teams on that list, Garrett has struggled against very bad teams.... not just in the Dak era but Romo too. Garrett never beat the Jets, Broncos, Chargers, Panthers or Patriots and could almost add Arizona, Bills and Falcons to that list.

Now let's look at some teams he had winning records against.

Lions 4-2
Colts 2-1
49ers 3-1
Rams 4-1
Bucs 4-1


Dak was the QB that lost the only game in Garrett's time as HC to the Rams and Colts.

Cassel was the QB that lost to the Bucs

Romo was the QB that lost to the Lions twice and the 49ers once.




In closing these things don't tell the entire picture but what it does tell that regardless if Garrett had Romo, Dak or another QB he struggled to beat some bad teams. It's been a coaching issue when you can't beat the Jets in a 10 year span or beat Broncos, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots and might as well say Arizona, Atlanta or the Bills. Dak was the QB that beat Arizona and Atlanta to keep Garrett from being 0-4 against them. Romo was the QB that beat the Bills so Garrett didn't go 0-3 against them like Garrett record against the Jets and Patriots.
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Hello, I'm in NY now and you need to find a new scapegoat for the offense's shortcomings....

P.S. I have no doubts that you will indeed find one.....Kellen be careful here comes the pain!!! :muttley:
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I am going to throw a monkey wrench into the equation and blame the entire organization. It shouldn't Hve taken 10 years for Jason Garrett to be fired. I blame the players,coaches, and front office for this teams failings. No one is exempt from blame for the bone head decisions, constantly needing to cover those up wasting resources and draft Capital in the process. And just not getting the job done.

Not Dak,not Romo, not Garrett.

The Dallas Cowboys from top to bottom are to blame.
 
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Johnny23 said:
I am going to throw a monkey wrench into the equation and blame the entire organization. It shouldn't Hve taken 10 years for Jason Garrett to be fired. I blame the players,coaches, and front office for this teams failings. No one is exempt from blame for the bone head decisions, constantly needing to cover those up wasting resources and draft Capital in the process. And just not getting the job done.

Not Dak,not Romo, not Garrett.

The Dallas Cowboys from top to bottom are to blame.
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he should’ve never been hired in the first place back in 07. No doubt it was a complete organizational failure.
 
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Big_D said:
he should’ve never been hired in the first place back in 07. No doubt it was a complete organizational failure.
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Agreed. It always screamed to me a desperate attempt from Jerry to try to be ahead of the curve but it just felt out of left field.
 
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Johnny23 said:
Agreed. It always screamed to me a desperate attempt from Jerry to try to be ahead of the curve but it just felt out of left field.
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2007.. that team was ready to do some damage for at least a few years. Both hires were ridiculous. It was really no time to experiment? Completely screwed that team the way only Jerry can. Considering where they were before BP you think Jerry would’ve learned something? The Garrett/Phillips decision was the worst in 25 years. He was truly desperate in 02 but back to just being stupid in 2007.
 
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The blame goes to the guy that has produced mediocrity for 25 seasons now.
 
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The Cowboys have had a lot of success with Dak as the QB. Their record is 40-24 in the regular season and they've made the playoffs twice in 4 years.

It is impossible that both Dak and Garrett were bad.

Either Dak was better than his record because he had to overcome Garrett and his offense...

OR

Garrett was a super awesome HC and with a great offensive scheme to make the playoffs twice in 4 years with a terrible QB.

Anyone that criticizes Dak is by definition praising Garrett.
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No it's not. What it means is your ability to see flaws in both is lacking.
And no it doesn't. What it means is people are looking at the situation with different metrics.
 
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garyo1954 said:
No it's not. What it means is your ability to see flaws in both is lacking.
And no it doesn't. What it means is people are looking at the situation with different metrics.
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Dak's regular season record: 40-24

Either Dak or Garrett had to be really good to achieve that winning percentage.

The only other possibility is that they had an 85 Bears type of dominant defense which we know was not true.
 
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I believe Garrett and Dak have both had their problems, although, I think that Dak has improved upon his faults far better than Garrett ever did or ever will. I'll be curious to see how JG performs as an OC for the Giants. I wasn't impressed with what he did here before he became our HC. His lack of in-game adjustments in both of those positions didn't serve the team too well at all, imho. Let's see what he can do for the 'Gents' in N.Y.! ;)

Dak will have the advantage of better coaching from the entire Cowboys staff and better talent to work with for the Cowboys in the future. Hopefully, those things might serve him well and work to his advantage in the ongoing years ahead. McCarthy has enjoyed a reputation of being advantageous for QBs to work with. Let's just see where that takes us and our improving offense, as well.
 
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I think there is enough blame to go around for virtually all parties involved. That includes Garrett, Dak, Jerry and all the rest. Nobody is blameless here, IMO.
 
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Johnny23 said:
I am going to throw a monkey wrench into the equation and blame the entire organization. It shouldn't Hve taken 10 years for Jason Garrett to be fired. I blame the players,coaches, and front office for this teams failings. No one is exempt from blame for the bone head decisions, constantly needing to cover those up wasting resources and draft Capital in the process. And just not getting the job done.

Not Dak,not Romo, not Garrett.

The Dallas Cowboys from top to bottom are to blame.
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What a novel idea, an entire organization to blame for failing as an organization.
 
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Irvin88_4life said:
So I decided to look at records and teams that Garrett coached and see if Garrett is the reason for losing or if it's because of Dak.....

I didn't use any playoff games, just regular season. I also didn't use GB or division opponents

Saints 2-5
Arizona 1-3
Patriots 0-3
Seattle 2-4
Bills 1-2
Bears 2-3
Panthers 0-3
Falcons 1-3
Chargers 0-2
Broncos 0-2
Jets 0-3

While we do see a couple of good teams on that list, Garrett has struggled against very bad teams.... not just in the Dak era but Romo too. Garrett never beat the Jets, Broncos, Chargers, Panthers or Patriots and could almost add Arizona, Bills and Falcons to that list.

Now let's look at some teams he had winning records against.

Lions 4-2
Colts 2-1
49ers 3-1
Rams 4-1
Bucs 4-1


Dak was the QB that lost the only game in Garrett's time as HC to the Rams and Colts.

Cassel was the QB that lost to the Bucs

Romo was the QB that lost to the Lions twice and the 49ers once.



In closing these things don't tell the entire picture but what it does tell that regardless if Garrett had Romo, Dak or another QB he struggled to beat some bad teams. It's been a coaching issue when you can't beat the Jets in a 10 year span or beat Broncos, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots and might as well say Arizona, Aetlanta or the Bills. Dak was the QB that beat Arizona and Atlanta to keep Garrett from being 0-4 against them. Romo was the QB that beat the Bills so Garrett didn't go 0-3 against them like Garrett record against the Jets and Patriots.
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Well Cassel was a loss for any Coach :yourock::laugh:
 
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Garrett was to blame, and he chose Dak and led him to believe in his philosophy.
Now Dak is Garrett 2.0, with the potential to waste as many years as Garrett did.
Even though Garrett is gone, his prodigy still survived. The damage he will yet do is unknown, but should be feared.
 
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Big_D said:
he should’ve never been hired in the first place back in 07. No doubt it was a complete organizational failure.
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In hindsight I fully agree, but at first I thought Garrett was OK. But it didn't take too long to start noticing poor decision making, and then the fact that he never learned from his mistakes became obvious. The longer he was here, the more obvious it became.
He also became quite adept at passing the buck to avoid any blame.
 
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Garrett rarely had the entire team ready to play. Judging one player when you don't know the effort and preparedness of the other 10 is pointless.
 
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