Video: Dak doesn’t deserve long term deal until SB win

Dak_Attack_09 said:

Has Jerry and Dallas gotten the deal they wanted?
Just imagine what the price is going to be when he beats Mahomes or Lamar in the SB.

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Dak_Attack_09 said:

Jerry and McClay should make Dak play under the franchise tag and make him prove that he is worth big contract by winning a SB. No excuses. DO NOT CAVE IN.

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gjkoeppen said:

For someone who claims I make assumptions, you have painted quite a few assumptions and faulty guesswork. I'll say you also have a reading or comprehension problem. I'll quote you "but that doesn't represent the majority". At no time did I say or imply the majority when I spoke about the people or users that believe the speculative contract amounts bandied about by sportswriters and insiders and their answers to the Prescott situation. I used the word SOME. I've never heard of anyone who equates some with the majority expect now you.

Your first assumption is based on what you believe Prescott's skills are, not what the coaches beliefs are, and you would not be surprised if Prescott sits for some games. Now going into a season when the coaches have stated several times publicly that Prescott is their QB for now and into the future, then they are going to bench Prescott. Then doing so with the thought that they would rather go with a QB that just got fired as a starting QB and was signed as a 1 year insurance policy as a backup QB and who has publicly stated he has accepted being a backup QB. Awful big assumptions there.

The next flaw is thinking there is any chance that the Cowboys would trade Prescott anytime this season. First he can't get traded until he either signs a contract or the tag and doing either will keep Prescott as the QB the Cowboys want. Now if you're thinking trading Prescott after the season is over and Prescott only signed the tag that would mean that the Cowboys have to sign him again with a tag to trade him. The second tag would pay Prescott 37 mil Now if your assessment of Prescott is accurate (I don't think so) then the other 31 GM's would know this too and they are going to trade for that QB that you and they have assessed and pay him 37 mil? Now you could say that the new team could give him a new contract but would someone who went to college take a contract that will pay him less that what he is guaranteed on the tag? Especially if the team that traded for him was a bad team or had average at best targets for him and a lot weaker line? This pretty much destroys any trade idea and they won't just let him walk.

Now it has been reported that Stephen has been doing most of the contract negotiating but you're only fooling yourself if you think that if Jerry wants Prescott and he's has publicly said that several times the past several weeks, that he wouldn't tell Stephen to do the contract.

Another false assumption on your part is to think that if a contract isn't worked out by July 15 that Prescott will not sign the tag offer. You also believe that Prescott won't report if past July 15 and has to sign the tag offer. If he does sign it and not report he won't get paid AND because of the new CBA fines CAN NOT be forgiven so that's money he's losing. Now most people in the sporting world believe Prescott is a smart guy and that he knows that by not reporting he'll lose money that he will never be able to recoup. He also knows what happened to Bell and how he lost all of his endorsements when he sat out so there won't be that money coming in either.

Now this is my opinion but I seriously don't think the Cowboys have any plans to have another QB even if they only get him signed for 3 years especially if the Cowboys go to the playoffs this season and would have to spend so much draft capital to move up to draft another QB in the first round. This si just my guess but I think their 1st round pick in the next draft will be to replace Tyron Smith who has been injured the past couple of seasons, one of which is a back injury.and those shorten careers.

You're under this mistaken idea that market value is set by the best players at each position from previous years. Every year there is a new market value and not every year are the best players at every position getting new contracts. The market value is set by those who's contracts are getting done. If a player gets the biggest contract, even bigger than players thought to be better but sign in previous years, all that means is that any player who the GM's believe are better than that player negotiating a contract that year will get more and those thought to be not as good will get less.

Now both of us have expressed opinions but many of mine have been backed up by things reported with direct quotes from those involved. The ones on Prescott playing on the tag and market values is just opinion. Now whether or not you say you are a Prescott fan, from what you say it's clear that you are looking for ways for the Cowboys to not have Prescott.

Are opinions differ and my guess they always will on this.
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gjkoeppen said:

For someone who claims I make assumptions, you have painted quite a few assumptions and faulty guesswork. I'll say you also have a reading or comprehension problem. I'll quote you "but that doesn't represent the majority". At no time did I say or imply the majority when I spoke about the people or users that believe the speculative contract amounts bandied about by sportswriters and insiders and their answers to the Prescott situation. I used the word SOME. I've never heard of anyone who equates some with the majority expect now you.

Your first assumption is based on what you believe Prescott's skills are, not what the coaches beliefs are, and you would not be surprised if Prescott sits for some games. Now going into a season when the coaches have stated several times publicly that Prescott is their QB for now and into the future, then they are going to bench Prescott. Then doing so with the thought that they would rather go with a QB that just got fired as a starting QB and was signed as a 1 year insurance policy as a backup QB and who has publicly stated he has accepted being a backup QB. Awful big assumptions there.

The next flaw is thinking there is any chance that the Cowboys would trade Prescott anytime this season. First he can't get traded until he either signs a contract or the tag and doing either will keep Prescott as the QB the Cowboys want. Now if you're thinking trading Prescott after the season is over and Prescott only signed the tag that would mean that the Cowboys have to sign him again with a tag to trade him. The second tag would pay Prescott 37 mil Now if your assessment of Prescott is accurate (I don't think so) then the other 31 GM's would know this too and they are going to trade for that QB that you and they have assessed and pay him 37 mil? Now you could say that the new team could give him a new contract but would someone who went to college take a contract that will pay him less that what he is guaranteed on the tag? Especially if the team that traded for him was a bad team or had average at best targets for him and a lot weaker line? This pretty much destroys any trade idea and they won't just let him walk.

Now it has been reported that Stephen has been doing most of the contract negotiating but you're only fooling yourself if you think that if Jerry wants Prescott and he's has publicly said that several times the past several weeks, that he wouldn't tell Stephen to do the contract.

Another false assumption on your part is to think that if a contract isn't worked out by July 15 that Prescott will not sign the tag offer. You also believe that Prescott won't report if past July 15 and has to sign the tag offer. If he does sign it and not report he won't get paid AND because of the new CBA fines CAN NOT be forgiven so that's money he's losing. Now most people in the sporting world believe Prescott is a smart guy and that he knows that by not reporting he'll lose money that he will never be able to recoup. He also knows what happened to Bell and how he lost all of his endorsements when he sat out so there won't be that money coming in either.

Now this is my opinion but I seriously don't think the Cowboys have any plans to have another QB even if they only get him signed for 3 years especially if the Cowboys go to the playoffs this season and would have to spend so much draft capital to move up to draft another QB in the first round. This si just my guess but I think their 1st round pick in the next draft will be to replace Tyron Smith who has been injured the past couple of seasons, one of which is a back injury.and those shorten careers.

You're under this mistaken idea that market value is set by the best players at each position from previous years. Every year there is a new market value and not every year are the best players at every position getting new contracts. The market value is set by those who's contracts are getting done. If a player gets the biggest contract, even bigger than players thought to be better but sign in previous years, all that means is that any player who the GM's believe are better than that player negotiating a contract that year will get more and those thought to be not as good will get less.

Now both of us have expressed opinions but many of mine have been backed up by things reported with direct quotes from those involved. The ones on Prescott playing on the tag and market values is just opinion. Now whether or not you say you are a Prescott fan, from what you say it's clear that you are looking for ways for the Cowboys to not have Prescott.

Are opinions differ and my guess they always will on this.
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Direwolf63 said:

Matt Ryan got an extension. No Super Bowl
Carson Wentz got an extension. No Super Bowl
Matt Stafford got an extension. No Super Bowl
Jarod Goff got an extension. No Super Bowl
David Carr got an extension. No Super Bowl
Phillip Rivers got multiple extensions. No Super Bowl
Kirk Cousins got an extension. No Super Bowl

Why does Dak Prescott have to win a Super Bowl to get an extension? Why does he have to meet standards these guys didn't?

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glimmerman said:

Some of these went to a SB but didn’t win.

ryan went and lost.

goff went and played terrible.

wentz I think got a ring because he was on the team. Does anyone know if he hit a ring for foles winning the game..

Romo got paid and never went.

heck look back and you see a lot. I think marino got several and set passing records in the NFL and never got a SB.

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OmerV said:

Any member of the team got a ring, whether on the sidelines or injured.

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glimmerman said:

So even the players on the IR got a ring. That must be in wentz’s head. They threw a parade for foles. Whom went on to another team and did nothing. Lol. Oh well they paid him but now drafted another QB in the second round. That’s a mind screw also. Not sure the specifics of his contract but wonder if he won’t be available for trade soon enough.

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OmerV said:

I'm not sure if it's the same in the NFL, but in MLB a player can still get a ring even if they are traded mid season and not with the team when it wins the World Series. I know this because in 2010 Benjie Molina got a World Series ring with the Giants, and also got a ALCS championship ring with the Rangers. I say that - Moina actually was on the Giants when they won, but he was not on the Rangers when they won the ALCS championship. I assume the theory is the players that helped get the team through the season get credit for helping the team win the championship.

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glimmerman said:

I know wentz was on the team and not sure if he was on IR or if he was actually the back up QB at the time of the SB. I think that he was available but not playing him because foles had gotten them there..

Just checked and yep. He got a NFC championship ring and a SB ring. Lol...

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Dak_Attack_09 said:

Jerry and McClay should make Dak play under the franchise tag and make him prove that he is worth big contract by winning a SB. No excuses. DO NOT CAVE IN.

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Starforever said:

One dumb thread after another. Are you trying to divert everyone's attention?

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glimmerman said:

I know wentz was on the team and not sure if he was on IR or if he was actually the back up QB at the time of the SB. I think that he was available but not playing him because foles had gotten them there..

Just checked and yep. He got a NFC championship ring and a SB ring. Lol...

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mcmvp said:

Lol...Wentz tore two ligaments in his knee On Dec 10th, and you think he was available to play the first week in Feb? It was quite the feat for him to start opening day the following season...just 9 months removed from that injury. And in retrospect, he shouldn’t have.

As for him getting a ring? Of course he got one. Every Cowboy got rings when they won the SB...so why would it be different for any other team?

The Eagles wouldn’t have rings at all that year if he didn’t help put them in the position they were in. The division was wrapped up. All they had to do was win 1 game against 3 average/bad teams to secure the number 1 seed. They don’t get the number one seed if Foles started the whole year.

All that said, do I think he feels the same about his ring as Mahomes feels about his? No...I’m sure the job doesn’t feel complete for him. Any true competitor would feel that way.

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mcmvp said:

The Eagles wouldn’t have rings at all that year if he didn’t help put them in the position they were in.

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Hadenough said:

Bingo! Wentz had a great year until he got hurt. He set that team up to coast through the playoffs. Wentz showed such a high caliber of play by converting 3rd and 7+ like they were 3rd 2s. Wentz deserved his ring and deserved to be paid a big contract for showing such a high ceiling. Dak should of taken the money when offered a deal better than Wentz. For being greedy he doesnt deserve to be paid top money.

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Dak_Attack_09 said:

You mean that top 5 defense carried the team.
How did he do against Seattle or even against Dallas past 4 years?

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Dak_Attack_09 said:

Jerry and McClay should make Dak play under the franchise tag and make him prove that he is worth big contract by winning a SB. No excuses. DO NOT CAVE IN.

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