My thoughts on Dak's negotiations

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First most know im a big Dak fan so you're not going to get anything that's personally negative on my end about him. If thats what ur looking for just stop reading and go to the next thread.

Saying that, i have to say im disappointed in his representation going all the way back to last yr. From what was reported by the team, they had a deal in place at 33 mil AAV. Then Dak torched them 3 first teams that were bad. And whats being reported is Dak's reps went back and wanted to go back to the table. That's not negotiating in good faith. So IMO Dak's side is the reason this has gone on for so long.

But there has been alot of false reporting that both sides has said just isnt tru, like them asking for 40mil AAV or that if there was a 5th yr that the floor would be 45mil for that yr.

I can see both sides to this. Dak has outplayed Wentz and Goff so IMO he def deserves to be paid more then both of them. And i think its safe to say he's been on par with Wilson who is at 35mil AAV. And i think you can say Dak's side is justified by asking a little more because of the age gap. Where Wilson has peaked Dak is still getting better. And now with a competent coaching staff to guide him, you can further assume he's only going to get better. So that 35.5mil AAV sounds about right given the QB market. Now i think all QBs are overpaid and i dont think no player is worth that much money. But the market is what it is.

I can also see Dallas' point in wanting a longer deal to spread the money out over more yrs to keep players on the team who would otherwise get cut because of the cap. I know why Dak's agent is pushing for that shorter deal and thats because of the impending new TV deal and the added game(s) to the season. But looking back at history of the team and its franchise QBs, the team puts them first and takes care of them before anybody else when moneys tight. WE saw this 3 times with Romo, and we saw this with Aikman. All the way down to the end of their careers. They put a emphasis to take care of them so much that the retired with dead money owed to them. So i dont really understand Francis' stance on being so firm on the yr thing.

There's a saying, that you never bite the hand that feeds you. The one thats going to lose in all of this is Dak. A strained relationship with the team, while his agent is trying to prove a point for current and future clients. Then if it keeps dragging on how will his teammates see it? I know some have already gotten paid but if you really look at their deals and put the whole structure into context. They all ended up taking less so the team could keep them together. You look at Lawrence's deal and he can be cut after this yr or restructured to lower the cap Elliot has been paid a big chunk of his guaranteed money and can also be cut or restructured. Jaylon Smith deal is very team friendly, probably on par with how Tyron Smiths deal was. Coopers deal is basically a 2 yr 40mil deal, but they will most likely restructure aswell since he's so young.

i get the feeling that Dak's agent is not really allowing him to speak with the team. This is a good agent doing his job for his client. Its not good for the team and fans. And im sure the team isnt pushing a point to speak directly with Dak at this point in time as it would def strain the relationship between team and agent. But i can guarantee you as it gets closer to the deadline that line will be crossed by the team and a deal will get done.
 

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Pretty good post, but I don't think for one second that Dak's relationship with the team is strained. This is just standard practice, same as it was for DLaw and Zeke. Neither side is being particularly unreasonable, and both are just waiting it out to see if the other side blinks first.
 

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Pretty good post, but I don't think for one second that Dak's relationship with the team is strained. This is just standard practice, same as it was for DLaw and Zeke. Neither side is being particularly unreasonable, and both are just waiting it out to see if the other side blinks first.
It isnt right now but at some point it would be. I actually think Daks side is and has been unreasonable because that deal was ready to be signed last yr then the first 3 games happened.
 

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It isnt right now but at some point it would be. I actually think Daks side is and has been unreasonable because that deal was ready to be signed last yr then the first 3 games happened.
It wasn't signed specifically so that the first 3 games would happen.

I don't think it's about the first 3 games though, it was about last year in its entirety. Dak's position last year was to take above market, or bet on a big year. He had a monster year, so he should get a monster contract. The Joneses know that.
 

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There is 0 effect to Prescott's relationship to the Joneses or his teammates. If anyone should have a problem, it's Prescott because they've planted lies in the media but he understands this is all about business. Everyone involved with the team understands this.

And every member of the team knows the Joneses MO when doing these negotiations, they need some time for the media coverage.
 

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disagree with the Russ talk. but things are what they are.

Really the bottom line is that the Cowboys screwed up letting Goff and Wentz (And Russ and Ben) get signed first. They don't deserve the money they got, but unfortunately they got it, and by all metrics Dak should be earning more than them. Shame we're forced into 'overpaying' too because they couldn't lock this thing up sooner.
 

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It wasn't signed specifically so that the first 3 games would happen.

I don't think it's about the first 3 games though, it was about last year in its entirety. Dak's position last year was to take above market, or bet on a big year. He had a monster year, so he should get a monster contract. The Joneses know that.
It was the risk he took just like Flacco did going into his final year and won a SB and got paid. Lawrence took his chance and got paid.

Prescott bet on himself and will get a nice return on that.
 

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It isnt right now but at some point it would be. I actually think Daks side is and has been unreasonable because that deal was ready to be signed last yr then the first 3 games happened.
I don't remember that a deal was agreed to and ready to be signed last year. All I remember is reports that they were close to a deal, but those kinds of reports have come out off an on for the last 12-14 months.
 

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It wasn't signed specifically so that the first 3 games would happen.

I don't think it's about the first 3 games though, it was about last year in its entirety. Dak's position last year was to take above market, or bet on a big year. He had a monster year, so he should get a monster contract. The Joneses know that.

He had a big yr statistically but was a failure. Where over his career he won close games, last yr he lost them close games. In close games he just couldnt make that one play. I know the system was predictable. But its been predictable and he still got them close wins. IMO i think if he would've signed that deal it wouldnt have been on his mind. And i really think they would've been in the playoffs. IM not blind to his flaws. He started almost every game slow. Against the better teams they played he would get on track but it just wasnt good enough. He tried to win games with one throw, as Romo did during his gunslinger yrs. Stats dont win championships is all i know. Marino and Fouts have zero titles.
 

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Pretty good post, but I don't think for one second that Dak's relationship with the team is strained. This is just standard practice, same as it was for DLaw and Zeke. Neither side is being particularly unreasonable, and both are just waiting it out to see if the other side blinks first.

Agreed. All the anxiety we see on these boards is from fans from not having things settled. So then I think stories get created, much like when we lose a close game and there was a "curious" penalty called in the waning moments of the 1st Quarter that was somehow a 25-point swing that would have had us blowing that team out if not for nefarious officials.
 

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He had a big yr statistically but was a failure. Where over his career he won close games, last yr he lost them close games. In close games he just couldnt make that one play. I know the system was predictable. But its been predictable and he still got them close wins. IMO i think if he would've signed that deal it wouldnt have been on his mind. And i really think they would've been in the playoffs. IM not blind to his flaws. He started almost every game slow. Against the better teams they played he would get on track but it just wasnt good enough. He tried to win games with one throw, as Romo did during his gunslinger yrs. Stats dont win championships is all i know. Marino and Fouts have zero titles.
W/L is irrelevant for contracts outside of the occasional boost for winning a SB.
 

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disagree with the Russ talk. but things are what they are.

Really the bottom line is that the Cowboys screwed up letting Goff and Wentz (And Russ and Ben) get signed first. They don't deserve the money they got, but unfortunately they got it, and by all metrics Dak should be earning more than them. Shame we're forced into 'overpaying' too because they couldn't lock this thing up sooner.
That's placing all of it on the company, they have to have the cooperation of the employee. Think his agent, all of these agents, didn't know what was going on?

They saw the QB salaries take a huge, well beyond the cap increase, jump and knew that if they've got a QB1, they're sitting pretty and in the driver's seat. People blame the QB's but are they at fault or was that on the other side of the table? I never blame a player's salary on him, someone has to be paying him.

Management made strategic negotiating mistakes based on cap space instead of the player's true value so they would overpay because they either had the space or needed to meet the minimum. In doing so, the salary began to rise based on other salaries and when the Skins tagged Cousins for 28M, a new floor was established and Prescott will establish yet another floor with his deal.

The Cowboys tried to get out in front of this but Prescott's agent was having none of that. The only thing that could have wrecked this was for him to have a terrible season but even at 8-8, Prescott was the 2nd ranked passer and led the #1 O. He had his best year in the year he needed to have his best year.
 

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It wasn't signed specifically so that the first 3 games would happen.

I don't think it's about the first 3 games though, it was about last year in its entirety. Dak's position last year was to take above market, or bet on a big year. He had a monster year, so he should get a monster contract. The Joneses know that.
lol... he didn't have a "monster" year. He didn't even make the Pro Bowl, didn't lead the league in anything, and was below average when not playing two of the worst teams in the league. Time to stop taking so many drugs.
 

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It wasn't signed specifically so that the first 3 games would happen.

I don't think it's about the first 3 games though, it was about last year in its entirety. Dak's position last year was to take above market, or bet on a big year. He had a monster year, so he should get a monster contract. The Joneses know that.

 

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You lost me when you said Dak is on par with Russell Wilson

It's a shame, because up to that point it was going rationally
Yep, some have really taken their Prescott love to another level. He will get paid and I am resigned to that not being on a comp level with the talent of the better QB's but as an effect of the QB market. He will get as much, if not more, that Wilson but he is not on the same level as a QB.

Some fans have to elevate the talent level of players just because they play for their team. I never got that, I think it's some kind of ego transference.
 

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Agreed. All the anxiety we see on these boards is from fans from not having things settled. So then I think stories get created, much like when we lose a close game and there was a "curious" penalty called in the waning moments of the 1st Quarter that was somehow a 25-point swing that would have had us blowing that team out if not for nefarious officials.
This is true..... The refs are against us. Dez caught it. Lmao.:lmao2:
 

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That's placing all of it on the company, they have to have the cooperation of the employee. Think his agent, all of these agents, didn't know what was going on?

They saw the QB salaries take a huge, well beyond the cap increase, jump and knew that if they've got a QB1, they're sitting pretty and in the driver's seat. People blame the QB's but are they at fault or was that on the other side of the table? I never blame a player's salary on him, someone has to be paying him.

Management made strategic negotiating mistakes based on cap space instead of the player's true value so they would overpay because they either had the space or needed to meet the minimum. In doing so, the salary began to rise based on other salaries and when the Skins tagged Cousins for 28M, a new floor was established and Prescott will establish yet another floor with his deal.

The Cowboys tried to get out in front of this but Prescott's agent was having none of that. The only thing that could have wrecked this was for him to have a terrible season but even at 8-8, Prescott was the 2nd ranked passer and led the #1 O. He had his best year in the year he needed to have his best year.


Ehhh. Not really buying it. Goff and Wentz were extended early while Dallas was toying around with “honest offers”. I can’t blame them entirely since 2018 was a tale of 2 seasons, but the opportunity was there and approached in relative bad faith. And now it’s bit the team in the butt.
 

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PAPPY, Prescott is just not as bad or good as the sides takers here have him.

You'd think after the Romo experience we would have learned but nope, right back here again.

Prescott is not a bad QB nor is he a great QB, he is a good QB that's going to get paid like a great one.
Most all are good QB being paid more than the last one got paid.

If the 49ers ran the football in the SB they would be the champs. Easily. And mahomes would look slightly better than goff did in his SB debut. I believe mahomes threw 2 ints in that game. After the first one I told my wife all they needed to do is keep running the ball. They couldn’t stop it and it was wearing them out. A defensive player for the chiefs even said it after the game. But some idiot on the team decided to let the QB start throwing it around. And they lost the game. If they ran the ball then the chiefs lose and mahomes would still get paid 40 a year.
 
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