My thoughts on Dak's negotiations

CouchCoach said:

PAPPY, Prescott is just not as bad or good as the sides takers here have him.

You'd think after the Romo experience we would have learned but nope, right back here again.

Prescott is not a bad QB nor is he a great QB, he is a good QB that's going to get paid like a great one.

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Proof said:

Ehhh. Not really buying it. Goff and Wentz were extended early while Dallas was toying around with “honest offers”. I can’t blame them entirely since 2018 was a tale of 2 seasons, but the opportunity was there and approached in relative bad faith. And now it’s bit the team in the butt.

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LatinMind said:

First most know im a big Dak fan so you're not going to get anything that's personally negative on my end about him. If thats what ur looking for just stop reading and go to the next thread.

Saying that, i have to say im disappointed in his representation going all the way back to last yr. From what was reported by the team, they had a deal in place at 33 mil AAV. Then Dak torched them 3 first teams that were bad. And whats being reported is Dak's reps went back and wanted to go back to the table. That's not negotiating in good faith. So IMO Dak's side is the reason this has gone on for so long.

But there has been alot of false reporting that both sides has said just isnt tru, like them asking for 40mil AAV or that if there was a 5th yr that the floor would be 45mil for that yr.

I can see both sides to this. Dak has outplayed Wentz and Goff so IMO he def deserves to be paid more then both of them. And i think its safe to say he's been on par with Wilson who is at 35mil AAV. And i think you can say Dak's side is justified by asking a little more because of the age gap. Where Wilson has peaked Dak is still getting better. And now with a competent coaching staff to guide him, you can further assume he's only going to get better. So that 35.5mil AAV sounds about right given the QB market. Now i think all QBs are overpaid and i dont think no player is worth that much money. But the market is what it is.

I can also see Dallas' point in wanting a longer deal to spread the money out over more yrs to keep players on the team who would otherwise get cut because of the cap. I know why Dak's agent is pushing for that shorter deal and thats because of the impending new TV deal and the added game(s) to the season. But looking back at history of the team and its franchise QBs, the team puts them first and takes care of them before anybody else when moneys tight. WE saw this 3 times with Romo, and we saw this with Aikman. All the way down to the end of their careers. They put a emphasis to take care of them so much that the retired with dead money owed to them. So i dont really understand Francis' stance on being so firm on the yr thing.

There's a saying, that you never bite the hand that feeds you. The one thats going to lose in all of this is Dak. A strained relationship with the team, while his agent is trying to prove a point for current and future clients. Then if it keeps dragging on how will his teammates see it? I know some have already gotten paid but if you really look at their deals and put the whole structure into context. They all ended up taking less so the team could keep them together. You look at Lawrence's deal and he can be cut after this yr or restructured to lower the cap Elliot has been paid a big chunk of his guaranteed money and can also be cut or restructured. Jaylon Smith deal is very team friendly, probably on par with how Tyron Smiths deal was. Coopers deal is basically a 2 yr 40mil deal, but they will most likely restructure aswell since he's so young.

i get the feeling that Dak's agent is not really allowing him to speak with the team. This is a good agent doing his job for his client. Its not good for the team and fans. And im sure the team isnt pushing a point to speak directly with Dak at this point in time as it would def strain the relationship between team and agent. But i can guarantee you as it gets closer to the deadline that line will be crossed by the team and a deal will get done.

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OmerV said:

Exactly. And there is benefit to the team when extensions are agreed on with time still on the rookie contract because it allows the team to spread the cap hit over a longer time period, but the Rams and Eagles were more aggressive and got their QB's signed to an extension while they still had time on their rookie contracts, and the Cowboys were more cautious.

And, in fairness, there were a lot of fans who wanted the Cowboys to be more cautious and watch Dak another year before deciding on signing him. Now fans are complaining about the result of that - that the Cowboys don't have the extra years to spread the cap hit over like the Rams and Eagles. But that is the bed the Cowboys made, and many fans asked them to make. But, there is almost always more to consider than what fans think of, and this is the kind of long term affect that fans often don't realize when they decide how things should be done.

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LatinMind said:

First most know im a big Dak fan so you're not going to get anything that's personally negative on my end about him. If thats what ur looking for just stop reading and go to the next thread.

Saying that, i have to say im disappointed in his representation going all the way back to last yr. From what was reported by the team, they had a deal in place at 33 mil AAV. Then Dak torched them 3 first teams that were bad. And whats being reported is Dak's reps went back and wanted to go back to the table. That's not negotiating in good faith. So IMO Dak's side is the reason this has gone on for so long.

But there has been alot of false reporting that both sides has said just isnt tru, like them asking for 40mil AAV or that if there was a 5th yr that the floor would be 45mil for that yr.

I can see both sides to this. Dak has outplayed Wentz and Goff so IMO he def deserves to be paid more then both of them. And i think its safe to say he's been on par with Wilson who is at 35mil AAV. And i think you can say Dak's side is justified by asking a little more because of the age gap. Where Wilson has peaked Dak is still getting better. And now with a competent coaching staff to guide him, you can further assume he's only going to get better. So that 35.5mil AAV sounds about right given the QB market. Now i think all QBs are overpaid and i dont think no player is worth that much money. But the market is what it is.

I can also see Dallas' point in wanting a longer deal to spread the money out over more yrs to keep players on the team who would otherwise get cut because of the cap. I know why Dak's agent is pushing for that shorter deal and thats because of the impending new TV deal and the added game(s) to the season. But looking back at history of the team and its franchise QBs, the team puts them first and takes care of them before anybody else when moneys tight. WE saw this 3 times with Romo, and we saw this with Aikman. All the way down to the end of their careers. They put a emphasis to take care of them so much that the retired with dead money owed to them. So i dont really understand Francis' stance on being so firm on the yr thing.

There's a saying, that you never bite the hand that feeds you. The one thats going to lose in all of this is Dak. A strained relationship with the team, while his agent is trying to prove a point for current and future clients. Then if it keeps dragging on how will his teammates see it? I know some have already gotten paid but if you really look at their deals and put the whole structure into context. They all ended up taking less so the team could keep them together. You look at Lawrence's deal and he can be cut after this yr or restructured to lower the cap Elliot has been paid a big chunk of his guaranteed money and can also be cut or restructured. Jaylon Smith deal is very team friendly, probably on par with how Tyron Smiths deal was. Coopers deal is basically a 2 yr 40mil deal, but they will most likely restructure aswell since he's so young.

i get the feeling that Dak's agent is not really allowing him to speak with the team. This is a good agent doing his job for his client. Its not good for the team and fans. And im sure the team isnt pushing a point to speak directly with Dak at this point in time as it would def strain the relationship between team and agent. But i can guarantee you as it gets closer to the deadline that line will be crossed by the team and a deal will get done.

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LatinMind said:

First most know im a big Dak fan so you're not going to get anything that's personally negative on my end about him. If thats what ur looking for just stop reading and go to the next thread.

Saying that, i have to say im disappointed in his representation going all the way back to last yr. From what was reported by the team, they had a deal in place at 33 mil AAV. Then Dak torched them 3 first teams that were bad. And whats being reported is Dak's reps went back and wanted to go back to the table. That's not negotiating in good faith. So IMO Dak's side is the reason this has gone on for so long.

But there has been alot of false reporting that both sides has said just isnt tru, like them asking for 40mil AAV or that if there was a 5th yr that the floor would be 45mil for that yr.

I can see both sides to this. Dak has outplayed Wentz and Goff so IMO he def deserves to be paid more then both of them. And i think its safe to say he's been on par with Wilson who is at 35mil AAV. And i think you can say Dak's side is justified by asking a little more because of the age gap. Where Wilson has peaked Dak is still getting better. And now with a competent coaching staff to guide him, you can further assume he's only going to get better. So that 35.5mil AAV sounds about right given the QB market. Now i think all QBs are overpaid and i dont think no player is worth that much money. But the market is what it is.

I can also see Dallas' point in wanting a longer deal to spread the money out over more yrs to keep players on the team who would otherwise get cut because of the cap. I know why Dak's agent is pushing for that shorter deal and thats because of the impending new TV deal and the added game(s) to the season. But looking back at history of the team and its franchise QBs, the team puts them first and takes care of them before anybody else when moneys tight. WE saw this 3 times with Romo, and we saw this with Aikman. All the way down to the end of their careers. They put a emphasis to take care of them so much that the retired with dead money owed to them. So i dont really understand Francis' stance on being so firm on the yr thing.

There's a saying, that you never bite the hand that feeds you. The one thats going to lose in all of this is Dak. A strained relationship with the team, while his agent is trying to prove a point for current and future clients. Then if it keeps dragging on how will his teammates see it? I know some have already gotten paid but if you really look at their deals and put the whole structure into context. They all ended up taking less so the team could keep them together. You look at Lawrence's deal and he can be cut after this yr or restructured to lower the cap Elliot has been paid a big chunk of his guaranteed money and can also be cut or restructured. Jaylon Smith deal is very team friendly, probably on par with how Tyron Smiths deal was. Coopers deal is basically a 2 yr 40mil deal, but they will most likely restructure aswell since he's so young.

i get the feeling that Dak's agent is not really allowing him to speak with the team. This is a good agent doing his job for his client. Its not good for the team and fans. And im sure the team isnt pushing a point to speak directly with Dak at this point in time as it would def strain the relationship between team and agent. But i can guarantee you as it gets closer to the deadline that line will be crossed by the team and a deal will get done.

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darthseinfeld said:

Wee sined Andy's Dalton to beet Dak 4 QB. Cut him 4 threee 1st round pics

#dontpaydak like @Frozen700 says

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Frozen700 said:

#DontpayDak

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LatinMind said:

First most know im a big Dak fan so you're not going to get anything that's personally negative on my end about him. If thats what ur looking for just stop reading and go to the next thread.

Saying that, i have to say im disappointed in his representation going all the way back to last yr. From what was reported by the team, they had a deal in place at 33 mil AAV. Then Dak torched them 3 first teams that were bad. And whats being reported is Dak's reps went back and wanted to go back to the table. That's not negotiating in good faith. So IMO Dak's side is the reason this has gone on for so long.

But there has been alot of false reporting that both sides has said just isnt tru, like them asking for 40mil AAV or that if there was a 5th yr that the floor would be 45mil for that yr.

I can see both sides to this. Dak has outplayed Wentz and Goff so IMO he def deserves to be paid more then both of them. And i think its safe to say he's been on par with Wilson who is at 35mil AAV. And i think you can say Dak's side is justified by asking a little more because of the age gap. Where Wilson has peaked Dak is still getting better. And now with a competent coaching staff to guide him, you can further assume he's only going to get better. So that 35.5mil AAV sounds about right given the QB market. Now i think all QBs are overpaid and i dont think no player is worth that much money. But the market is what it is.

I can also see Dallas' point in wanting a longer deal to spread the money out over more yrs to keep players on the team who would otherwise get cut because of the cap. I know why Dak's agent is pushing for that shorter deal and thats because of the impending new TV deal and the added game(s) to the season. But looking back at history of the team and its franchise QBs, the team puts them first and takes care of them before anybody else when moneys tight. WE saw this 3 times with Romo, and we saw this with Aikman. All the way down to the end of their careers. They put a emphasis to take care of them so much that the retired with dead money owed to them. So i dont really understand Francis' stance on being so firm on the yr thing.

There's a saying, that you never bite the hand that feeds you. The one thats going to lose in all of this is Dak. A strained relationship with the team, while his agent is trying to prove a point for current and future clients. Then if it keeps dragging on how will his teammates see it? I know some have already gotten paid but if you really look at their deals and put the whole structure into context. They all ended up taking less so the team could keep them together. You look at Lawrence's deal and he can be cut after this yr or restructured to lower the cap Elliot has been paid a big chunk of his guaranteed money and can also be cut or restructured. Jaylon Smith deal is very team friendly, probably on par with how Tyron Smiths deal was. Coopers deal is basically a 2 yr 40mil deal, but they will most likely restructure aswell since he's so young.

i get the feeling that Dak's agent is not really allowing him to speak with the team. This is a good agent doing his job for his client. Its not good for the team and fans. And im sure the team isnt pushing a point to speak directly with Dak at this point in time as it would def strain the relationship between team and agent. But i can guarantee you as it gets closer to the deadline that line will be crossed by the team and a deal will get done.

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LatinMind said:

First most know im a big Dak fan so you're not going to get anything that's personally negative on my end about him. If thats what ur looking for just stop reading and go to the next thread.

Saying that, i have to say im disappointed in his representation going all the way back to last yr. From what was reported by the team, they had a deal in place at 33 mil AAV. Then Dak torched them 3 first teams that were bad. And whats being reported is Dak's reps went back and wanted to go back to the table. That's not negotiating in good faith. So IMO Dak's side is the reason this has gone on for so long.

But there has been alot of false reporting that both sides has said just isnt tru, like them asking for 40mil AAV or that if there was a 5th yr that the floor would be 45mil for that yr.

I can see both sides to this. Dak has outplayed Wentz and Goff so IMO he def deserves to be paid more then both of them. And i think its safe to say he's been on par with Wilson who is at 35mil AAV. And i think you can say Dak's side is justified by asking a little more because of the age gap. Where Wilson has peaked Dak is still getting better. And now with a competent coaching staff to guide him, you can further assume he's only going to get better. So that 35.5mil AAV sounds about right given the QB market. Now i think all QBs are overpaid and i dont think no player is worth that much money. But the market is what it is.

I can also see Dallas' point in wanting a longer deal to spread the money out over more yrs to keep players on the team who would otherwise get cut because of the cap. I know why Dak's agent is pushing for that shorter deal and thats because of the impending new TV deal and the added game(s) to the season. But looking back at history of the team and its franchise QBs, the team puts them first and takes care of them before anybody else when moneys tight. WE saw this 3 times with Romo, and we saw this with Aikman. All the way down to the end of their careers. They put a emphasis to take care of them so much that the retired with dead money owed to them. So i dont really understand Francis' stance on being so firm on the yr thing.

There's a saying, that you never bite the hand that feeds you. The one thats going to lose in all of this is Dak. A strained relationship with the team, while his agent is trying to prove a point for current and future clients. Then if it keeps dragging on how will his teammates see it? I know some have already gotten paid but if you really look at their deals and put the whole structure into context. They all ended up taking less so the team could keep them together. You look at Lawrence's deal and he can be cut after this yr or restructured to lower the cap Elliot has been paid a big chunk of his guaranteed money and can also be cut or restructured. Jaylon Smith deal is very team friendly, probably on par with how Tyron Smiths deal was. Coopers deal is basically a 2 yr 40mil deal, but they will most likely restructure aswell since he's so young.

i get the feeling that Dak's agent is not really allowing him to speak with the team. This is a good agent doing his job for his client. Its not good for the team and fans. And im sure the team isnt pushing a point to speak directly with Dak at this point in time as it would def strain the relationship between team and agent. But i can guarantee you as it gets closer to the deadline that line will be crossed by the team and a deal will get done.

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LatinMind said:

Saying that, i have to say im disappointed in his representation going all the way back to last yr. From what was reported by the team, they had a deal in place at 33 mil AAV. Then Dak torched them 3 first teams that were bad. And whats being reported is Dak's reps went back and wanted to go back to the table. That's not negotiating in good faith.

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Rockport said:

The team has been saying for as long as anyone would listen that deadlines get deals done. The deadline is July 15. Patience is a virtue.

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buybuydandavis said:

Negotiating positions *should* change as information comes in. Dak's accuracy was much better last season. Once he proved it on the field, his demonstrated value went up, so the price goes up. If Dak broke both his legs, Jerry's offer would have gone down too.

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LatinMind said:

agree but this guy needs to be doing his homework with coaches learning the new things McCarthys offense is going to do. Especially with no physical time. Maybe he should've kept his intentions private instead of letting the world know he wouldnt be participating in any OTAs physical or virtual. This is the one thing i dont like about Dak, when theres a mic in his face he going to talk.

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LatinMind said:

If Dak wouldve performed the same in games vs the Saints, Patriots, Bills. Bears. Then i dont think there would be any issues IMO. But in those games Dak was not good. The scrutiny is there to be discussed. And its valid, even being as big a fan of his that i am. I know them flaws are there. I still think he deserves to be paid over what Wentz and Goff got. The money isnt even the issue, its the yrs. And i side with the team on this issue 500%.

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LatinMind said:

First most know im a big Dak fan so you're not going to get anything that's personally negative on my end about him. If thats what ur looking for just stop reading and go to the next thread.

Saying that, i have to say im disappointed in his representation going all the way back to last yr. From what was reported by the team, they had a deal in place at 33 mil AAV. Then Dak torched them 3 first teams that were bad. And whats being reported is Dak's reps went back and wanted to go back to the table. That's not negotiating in good faith. So IMO Dak's side is the reason this has gone on for so long.

But there has been alot of false reporting that both sides has said just isnt tru, like them asking for 40mil AAV or that if there was a 5th yr that the floor would be 45mil for that yr.

I can see both sides to this. Dak has outplayed Wentz and Goff so IMO he def deserves to be paid more then both of them. And i think its safe to say he's been on par with Wilson who is at 35mil AAV. And i think you can say Dak's side is justified by asking a little more because of the age gap. Where Wilson has peaked Dak is still getting better. And now with a competent coaching staff to guide him, you can further assume he's only going to get better. So that 35.5mil AAV sounds about right given the QB market. Now i think all QBs are overpaid and i dont think no player is worth that much money. But the market is what it is.

I can also see Dallas' point in wanting a longer deal to spread the money out over more yrs to keep players on the team who would otherwise get cut because of the cap. I know why Dak's agent is pushing for that shorter deal and thats because of the impending new TV deal and the added game(s) to the season. But looking back at history of the team and its franchise QBs, the team puts them first and takes care of them before anybody else when moneys tight. WE saw this 3 times with Romo, and we saw this with Aikman. All the way down to the end of their careers. They put a emphasis to take care of them so much that the retired with dead money owed to them. So i dont really understand Francis' stance on being so firm on the yr thing.

There's a saying, that you never bite the hand that feeds you. The one thats going to lose in all of this is Dak. A strained relationship with the team, while his agent is trying to prove a point for current and future clients. Then if it keeps dragging on how will his teammates see it? I know some have already gotten paid but if you really look at their deals and put the whole structure into context. They all ended up taking less so the team could keep them together. You look at Lawrence's deal and he can be cut after this yr or restructured to lower the cap Elliot has been paid a big chunk of his guaranteed money and can also be cut or restructured. Jaylon Smith deal is very team friendly, probably on par with how Tyron Smiths deal was. Coopers deal is basically a 2 yr 40mil deal, but they will most likely restructure aswell since he's so young.

i get the feeling that Dak's agent is not really allowing him to speak with the team. This is a good agent doing his job for his client. Its not good for the team and fans. And im sure the team isnt pushing a point to speak directly with Dak at this point in time as it would def strain the relationship between team and agent. But i can guarantee you as it gets closer to the deadline that line will be crossed by the team and a deal will get done.

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leeblair said:

Those games you mentioned showed fans what Dak's true ability is.
A quarterback has to be special to be worth top money. Dak showed he isn't special.
He's average at his best.
He is not the guy who will make the Cowboys better.

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Captain-Crash said:

maybe big mike doesn't want to be stuck with him for his career here at Dallas. Tag him, if he doesn't move on. Dalton can go 8-8 or better with this team.
I'm tired of a good quarterback thinking he's great.

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