ESPN: Debunking the Dak contract debate

Future · Jun 1, 2020

USArmyVet said:
1-6 again st playoff teams last season and a big fat ZERO come from behind game winning drives

Big fat irrelevant point.

glimmerman · Jun 1, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
that's now how it happened. once season started, even before that....the contract talks stopped....

and it was also probably Stephen going back, not just the agent....

Agreed. Both sides have screwed this up more or less. Now the agent is scrambling to make up the money he may or may not have cost Dak. He is not brady or mahomes, which I need to see more of mahomes before I would be sold in blowing the ceiling out of the QB market. He threw 2 picks in the SB and if the 49ers just set back and ran the ball down there throats then that game would have been very different.

CouchCoach · Jun 1, 2020

glimmerman said:
This is his agents fault. When 33 or 33.5 was in the table last year he should have took it or asked for more guaranteed money and got the deal done. Instead we played 3 lesser teams and THE TEAM won easily and his agent wanted to go back and ask for more. Meanwhile THE TEAM starts losing and JJ decided to not get back to him. This could wind up being a case of a agent getting to greedy and costing his client millions. That D-Law and Elliot stuff ain’t happening no more. You put together a honest deal instead of holding a team hostage with putting off surgery or staying in Cabo and not in TC. Both of which showed up not in shape and cost our team.

glimm, these agents don't operate in a vacuum. Prescott was a full participant in those negotiations and I would bet, more than once, his agent pointed out this was guaranteed money vs the unknown into the season. He decided to bet it all on himself and he's at the window for his winnings now.

I really do think part of this is mental and not as much about the money. You roll it all on yourself, you expect a reward for that because most wouldn't do that.

glimmerman · Jun 1, 2020

CouchCoach said:
glimm, these agents don't operate in a vacuum. Prescott was a full participant in those negotiations and I would bet, more than once, his agent pointed out this was guaranteed money vs the unknown into the season. He decided to bet it all on himself and he's at the window for his winnings now.

I really do think part of this is mental and not as much about the money. You roll it all on yourself, you expect a reward for that because most wouldn't do that.

At the end of the day you can bet on yourself all you want. Your not gonna get more than a certain amount. Now I understand a extra million is a extra million. That’s a lot of money. Dak as The QB for The Dallas Cowboys will bring him endorsement money he would not get with another team. He needs to consider the perks. Like working for the city or the county. You may not make the most you could somewhere else but the health insurance and retirement makes up for it...

12+88=7 · Jun 1, 2020

starfan1 said:
explain then because I dont see it as insulting. Anti-dak is not insulting if your anti-dak. Own it!

He is saying if you don't see it your not smart enough, questioning intelligence.

If you do see it, you don't have integrity, questioning one's character.

Questioning one's intelligence and character, is that not insulting someone? Most would say yes.

Nav22 · Jun 1, 2020

USArmyVet said:
1-6 again st playoff teams last season and a big fat ZERO come from behind game winning drives

Your bottom lip’s quivering.

aikemirv · Jun 1, 2020

doomsday9084 said:
The article largely uses Wentz and Goff as a baseline. It points out that Dak is better than them and that they got deals worth $30m+. I don't disagree with any of that.

So, does anyone here think that Philly or LA is going to win big having given out those contracts? If not, why would anyone use them as a baseline if the goal is Dallas team success? I mean, sure, I get it. If you are an Eagles fan trolling the Cowboys board it doesn't matter. Eagles fans are probably hoping Dallas gives Dak $40m per year or more. But if you are truly a Cowboys fan, shouldn't this bother you?

No, because somehow their perception of Dak being so good is confirmed because Jerry and Stephen think so too!

Williamsboys · Jun 1, 2020

Comparing Dak Prescott to Goff and Wentz is like that kid coming home with a "C" on his report card..
When Mom and Dad ask if he can do better he remarks.."I did better than my friend who got a "D"

CowboyoWales · Jun 1, 2020

Nav22 said:
Fine with me, but we’re not agents. Dak’s not handing Todd France 3% of his contract just to take Spotrac’s valuation and sign on the dotted line.

Also, reports say that Dak/France want less than 5 years.

Give him 5th year (in the region of) $40/45m, $15m (or so) guaranteed.

QuincyCarterEra · Jun 1, 2020

Future said:
Big fat irrelevant point.

This is so @USArmyVet LMAO

Cebrin · Jun 1, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
It’s a good article and makes a strong and compelling overall argument in favor of Dak that I can buy. That said, this excerpt is from the same article. I promise you this is where the Dak Boyz quickly pivot from parading Dak’s bogus “QB W/L record“ to trotting out why it’s a team game and blame-gaming other aspects to explain away Dak’s struggles in this regard.

Criticism No. 7: Prescott struggles against great teams.

“Here's a place where Prescott has undeniably struggled. As Parolin noted in his piece, Prescott and the Cowboys are just 5-13 against teams that finished the year with 10 or more wins, and the quarterback has been part of the problem. His QBR in those games is just 55.3, down from 72.9 in games where he isn't going up against a 10-win team.

Goff and Wentz have both been better here, although it has been more about their record than level of play. Wentz is 9-11 in those games, and his QBR is marginally better at 58.3. Goff is 8-12 in the same contests, but his QBR in those games has been 51.8, below that of both Wentz and Prescott.

Let's look at this another way and consider great defenses. I split out each of the three quarterbacks and measured their performances versus top-10 defenses by DVOA (in each given year) against the remaining 22 teams to see which quarterback both struggled the most against great defenses and lost the most versus his usual performance against the defenses ranked 11 through 32.

Prescott looks the worst of the bunch here. Wentz was clearly the best of the three against great defenses, posting the best passer rating (90.0) and adjusted yards per attempt (7.0). Prescott and Goff were virtually identical in terms of passer rating (82.3 for Prescott, 81.4 for Goff) and AY/A (6.3 for Dak, 6.4 for Goff).

Measured versus their numbers against the lesser defenses, Prescott also dropped off more noticeably than the other two. Wentz was virtually the same against all defenses; his passer rating against the great defense was 94.2% of what it was against the other defenses. Goff was just behind him at 89.1%, while Prescott was well off the pack at 79.7%. By AY/A, the gap was even larger, with him down at 75.5%. Of the various criticisms of him, this seems like the most meaningful and accurate complaint.”

Every single quarterback in the NFL with enough starts to qualify for consideration here, except for Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Russell Wilson, have "losing records against winning teams." Who has the better coaching, defensive play, and special teams play between these 3 teams we are using? I'm by no means advocating that Prescott is a top 5 QB, as I am not a giant fan boy, but he is certainly on par with most of the league in production, and skillset, and has plenty enough talent to win. Our issues (as I believe no one can argue with) have been plentiful, and QB has been one the least of our concerns.

Williamsboys · Jun 1, 2020

Jerry and Stephen Jones the first three years.."I think our 4th round find at quarterback can win us a Super Bowl"
Jerrah and Stephen Jones after hearing the numbers..."Can we win a Super Bowl with this 4th round quarterback??"

QuincyCarterEra · Jun 1, 2020

Williamsboys said:
Comparing Dak Prescott to Goff and Wentz is like that kid coming home with a "C" on his report card..
When Mom and Dad ask if he can do better he remarks.."I did better than my friend who got a "D"

I kind of like this analogy, except one big detail is completely wrong.

In this instance, the kid(Stephen and Jerry) got an A- on their paper, now the teacher is offering the chance of getting a mystery grade as an alternative to the A-. There's a 90% chance that you will be downgrading from a A-, BUT THINK ABOUT IF WE HIT THAT 10! It's sad how many of our dumb fans think this way, unfortunately.

JoeKing · Jun 1, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
Better be sure.....as you've been wrong 2 years running....

P.S.Dak-Zoids as of July 16th....

I've been wrong about what? I've never given this thing a deadline until this year.

WillieBeamen · Jun 1, 2020

Nav22 said:
Awww, LilWillie... so telling that you wouldn’t even DARE attempt to respond to this thread intelligently. Scared little boy... scared LilWillie.

You know you’ve been snuffed. You and the rest of your kind.

You should know that you're considered a joke on here :laugh:

imagine debating football with someone that think Dak is actually a top-qb

QuincyCarterEra · Jun 1, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
Better be sure.....as you've been wrong 2 years running....

P.S.Dak-Zoids as of July 16th....

Dak has only been eligible for a contract extension for one season, so we all know Mammidog is getting caught lying again LMAO

:muttley:

QuincyCarterEra · Jun 1, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
You should know that you're considered a joke on here

imagine debating football with someone that think Dak is actually a top-qb

I let you know that you're the clown of the forum, and so now you have to tell other people that expose you that they're a joke? If you aren't smart at least be original

Lol. You're continually embarrassing yourself LilWillie

WillieBeamen · Jun 1, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
I let you know that you're the clown of the forum, and so now you have to tell other people that you expose you?

Lol. You're continually embarrassing yourself LilWillie

Im a clown, yet im always on your mind?
:laugh:

You dont exist to me. Ive owned you on here for years now. Youre not even on my radar.

I know that hurts but its the truth, holmes :laugh:

CowboyoWales · Jun 1, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Forget the damned cap, it's not yours to manage anyway. This is the ultimate bet when you bet on yourself. It will be short lived but Dak Prescott deserves to be the highest paid player in the NFL. That's what happens when you bet it all on yourself and win.

Unfortunately, JJ has also taken the "forget the damn cap" theory when giving overpriced Zeke and Amari contracts.

Dak is the highest paid player (Cap Hit) in 2020 so long as he signs the Franchise Tag.

CowboyoWales · Jun 1, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
I don't think anybody is really saying that....its about $35M....the market moves up a bit every year....about 6% or so....and that's about the amount up from wentz and goff.

I think the gist of the article is that he wants a 4 year deal to hit the FA market sooner, when its expected for the cap to jump up greatly with the new TV negotiations.....

Not doubt you're correct.

Id go as far as his agent's trying to get a 3 year contract and then "next man up" after Mahomes mega deal.

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