Video: Are Cowboys a Top 5 team in NFC?

CouchCoach · Jun 2, 2020

Whirlwin said:
How can anyone possibly say this. We have the talent and now possibly the coach to put it all together. I think we could be the best team in the NFC.

The OP didn't ask what we could be but what we thought they are at this point. They could be the best, they could miss the playoffs.

I look at the teams that were ahead of them last season and ask did they decline? Did the Cowboys really improve? The answer comes back no and don't know so I have them at 6 or 7 in the NFC.

The one thing we do know is that it seldom ends up like we think it will in the NFC, always at least one surprise and disappointment.

I think some are banking on the coaching change as the improvement and while I do like McC over Garrett, I don't see an upgrade over the other staff with this one. I see a lot of spin about the DC and wonder what the hell they're looking at because I don't see it and the D/ST are the reason this team missed the playoffs last season. Do those teams that ended up ahead of the Cowboys have better or worse coaches than the Cowboys? I like McC OK, he was the pick of the litter for me, but I would take NO, SF, SEA, LAR, MIN, PHL and maybe GB's and TB's HC's over him.

Change was necessary but that does not mean it was good.

Wizarus · Jun 2, 2020

Nope, we're unproven and havent won anything in a while. We've been through this before; what's on paper doesn't translate into practice.

aria · Jun 2, 2020

JoeKing said:
The good fortune that has occurred this offseason is not just on paper. I never brought up McCarthy's record versus Garrett's record, so how it that a talking point to me? You ask me how I know the Cowboys are better. I'm not talking about what I know, I'm talking about what I suspect. Can I not be hopeful for the team's future? All the past that you bring up is true, but I'm not one to believe that trend will continue. I say that after weighing all that has happened this offseason. It's not nothing and it's certainly not just on paper.

The Garrett/McCarthy point wasn’t pointed directly at you but I brought it up because most people here refer to Garrett’s record vs McCarthy’s which is all in the past. Of course you can be hopeful, I’m mildly hopeful but I disagree that “it’s certainly not just on paper”. That’s all it is until proven otherwise.

We have no idea how these draft picks and FA’s will pan out and as you said “wins/losses don’t carry over from one season to another” nor does a players performance until they prove it.

JoeKing · Jun 2, 2020

aria said:
The Garrett/McCarthy point wasn’t pointed directly at you but I brought it up because most people here refer to Garrett’s record vs McCarthy’s which is all in the past. Of course you can be hopeful, I’m mildly hopeful but I disagree that “it’s certainly not just on paper”. That’s all it is until proven otherwise.

We have no idea how these draft picks and FA’s will pan out and as you said “wins/losses don’t carry over from one season to another” nor does a players performance until they prove it.

So you think McCarthy and his new staff are just on paper? You think all the new players don't matter?. You sir, are the most oblivious poster on this board if you think none of that adds up to anything. I say it all matters and will result in great improvements. The season can't get here fast enough.

QuincyCarterEra · Jun 2, 2020

JoeKing said:
So you think McCarthy and his new staff are just on paper? You think all the new players don't matter?. You sir, are the most oblivious poster on this board if you think none of that adds up to anything. I say it all matters and will result in great improvements. The season can't get here fast enough.

On paper we got worse in free agency, then added rookies and a new staff.

As of the staff, I can't tell you how many times I had to stand my ground when I wasn't excited about the Sanjay or Richard hirings, because every new coach that we bring in is the bees knees.

This year the Tomsula and Fassel hirings really got me excited. Outside of that it wasn't overly encouraging, especially with Nolan hire.

Whirlwin · Jun 2, 2020

Bullflop said:
I see the question posed by the OP as wanting to know what we think we're capable of relative to our new staff and this year's talent.

I think it’s possible to go back what we did in Prescott’s first season

Whirlwin · Jun 2, 2020

CouchCoach said:
The OP didn't ask what we could be but what we thought they are at this point. They could be the best, they could miss the playoffs.

I look at the teams that were ahead of them last season and ask did they decline? Did the Cowboys really improve? The answer comes back no and don't know so I have them at 6 or 7 in the NFC.

The one thing we do know is that it seldom ends up like we think it will in the NFC, always at least one surprise and disappointment.

I think some are banking on the coaching change as the improvement and while I do like McC over Garrett, I don't see an upgrade over the other staff with this one. I see a lot of spin about the DC and wonder what the hell they're looking at because I don't see it and the D/ST are the reason this team missed the playoffs last season. Do those teams that ended up ahead of the Cowboys have better or worse coaches than the Cowboys? I like McC OK, he was the pick of the litter for me, but I would take NO, SF, SEA, LAR, MIN, PHL and maybe GB's and TB's HC's over him.

Change was necessary but that does not mean it was good.

Well thank you for pointing that out. My bad I misunderstood the question. Yeah I definitely think we’re in the top five with what we pulled off in this draft in free agency. Especially with the new coach

Whirlwin · Jun 2, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
No

Saints

Packers

Bucs

Hawks

9ers

Are all better

I think the Packers screwed up in the draft

aria · Jun 2, 2020

JoeKing said:
So you think McCarthy and his new staff are just on paper? You think all the new players don't matter?. You sir, are the most oblivious poster on this board if you think none of that adds up to anything. I say it all matters and will result in great improvements. The season can't get here fast enough.

How do you know it will add up to anything? Do you know Jones will be easily replaced? Do you know Quinn’s sack production will be duplicated? Do you know our FA’s will play at the same level they played last year? LVE wasn’t good before the injury, do you know he’ll return to his rookie form? Do you know Zeke won’t be slower? Do you know that Aldon Smith will play as good as he did years ago? Do you know Gregory will be better or good? Do you know Fred will be easily replaced? Do you know the Eagles will be worse than last year when they were decimated by injuries? Did you know we would go 13-3 in 2016 with a rookie QB? Did you know Taco would be a bust? Do you know Jarwin will be a better blocker than Witten?

About the only thing I’m personally relatively sure of is Lamb will tear it up.

You do realize McCarthy’s past 2 seasons were losing seasons and I believe he has yet to prove he can win without a future HOF QB, right? These are legitimate concerns.

aria · Jun 2, 2020

Whirlwin said:
I think the Packers screwed up in the draft

Yeah, unbelievable they didn’t get AR any help at receiver. It’s almost like they want to run him off, maybe his arrogance has finally pissed them off, haha.

CouchCoach · Jun 2, 2020

Whirlwin said:
Well thank you for pointing that out. My bad I misunderstood the question. Yeah I definitely think we’re in the top five with what we pulled off in this draft in free agency. Especially with the new coach

You're pretty when you're angry.

JoeKing · Jun 2, 2020

aria said:
How do you know it will add up to anything? Do you know Jones will be easily replaced? Do you know Quinn’s sack production will be duplicated? Do you know our FA’s will play at the same level they played last year? LVE wasn’t good before the injury, do you know he’ll return to his rookie form? Do you know Zeke won’t be slower? Do you know that Aldon Smith will play as good as he did years ago? Do you know Gregory will be better or good? Do you know Fred will be easily replaced? Do you know the Eagles will be worse than last year when they were decimated by injuries? Did you know we would go 13-3 in 2016 with a rookie QB? Did you know Taco would be a bust? Do you know Jarwin will be a better blocker than Witten?

About the only thing I’m personally relatively sure of is Lamb will tear it up.

You do realize McCarthy’s past 2 seasons were losing seasons and I believe he has yet to prove he can win without a future HOF QB, right? These are legitimate concerns.

You keep asking me how I know and I've already told you it's not about what I know. You don't know anything about the future either. You just have strong convictions about how it will be. I'm no different. I'm just a very more positive person than you when it comes to the Cowboys. This is a fact we have established long ago. Friends can argue so don't think there is any malice attached to this debate on my behalf.

aria · Jun 2, 2020

JoeKing said:
You keep asking me how I know and I've already told you it's not about what I know. You don't know anything about the future either. You just have strong convictions about how it will be. I'm no different. I'm just a very more positive person than you when it comes to the Cowboys. This is a fact we have established long ago.

Hey hey...we agree!

As I said, 20+ years of reasons to get excited and nothing has changed, I tried being overly optimistic a few years ago and was let down once again. I’ll stay neutral to mildly positive so if they’re average I won’t be disappointed having expected more and if they do better than I though I’ll be happy and excited. I approach a lot of things like this in life, I find it mentally soothing.

Bullflop · Jun 2, 2020

Whirlwin said:
I think it’s possible to go back what we did in Prescott’s first season

It's possible but most likely a misunderstanding of what was actually intended in the OP's question. Sorry but I disagree.

MysteryIceGuro · Jun 2, 2020

Bucs are last years Browns. Overrated before anyone even steps on the field. Dallas is better than them IMO, but still barely scratching top 5. NFC is loaded!

in no particular order, I’d say top 5 are the Saints, Vikes, Seahawks, 49ers, and I’d say Dallas/Packers are tied for that last top 5 spot. Maybe even throw in the Rams. Packers had a bad draft, but their team was already well put together. Seahawks always make it every year. 49ers got better. Vikes lost some folks but also had a very good draft and I can even see them taking over the North. Eagles are meh but always find a way to pull something out of their butts. Bucs are overrated to me IMO. Just like last year’s Browns, everyone hyped them up and now look.

Mobinvans · Jun 2, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
No

Saints

Packers

Bucs

Hawks

9ers

Are all better

Bucs aren’t w good team man

WillieBeamen · Jun 2, 2020

Mobinvans said:
Bucs aren’t w good team man

And the Cowboys are? LOL

Whirlwin · Jun 3, 2020

Bullflop said:
It's possible but most likely a misunderstanding of what was actually intended in the OP's question. Sorry but I disagree.

I think we definitely improved top-five we had a great draft and good free agency

Bullflop · Jun 4, 2020

Whirlwin said:
I think we definitely improved top-five we had a great draft and good free agency

Nothing is definite, especially when it comes to being ranked in the top five. There are easily a handful of teams or more, already named, that will likely challenge that notion. If that's not enough, the Cowboys will be obliged to get their players fully oriented and familiar with a new system and new coaches. It's a serious handicap anytime a team takes on a new staff with a new system and a boatload of new players. The questions abound.

Unfortunately, rating any team at this time of the year is very much a premature exercise in futility, due to the unknown factors that always arise. Nobody knows what might develop in early June. We all hope for what's best for our team but wins simply aren't based upon hope. The number of new Cowboys players to be indoctrinated this year is an extreme challenge in itself for any team to overcome. Being in the top 5 is even tougher. I'm inclined to believe we'd be more than fortunate to reach that goal with all the lingering questions that beg to be answered. Top five? Sorry, I want it but I doubt it.

Whirlwin · Jun 4, 2020

Bullflop said:
Nothing is definite, especially when it comes to being ranked in the top five. There are easily a handful of teams or more, already named, that will likely challenge that notion. If that's not enough, the Cowboys will be obliged to get their players fully oriented and familiar with a new system and new coaches. It's a serious handicap anytime a team takes on a new staff with a new system and a boatload of new players. The questions abound.

Unfortunately, rating any team at this time of the year is very much a premature exercise in futility, due to the unknown factors that always arise. Nobody knows what might develop in early June. We all hope for what's best for our team but wins simply aren't based upon hope. The number of new Cowboys players to be indoctrinated this year is an extreme challenge in itself for any team to overcome. Being in the top 5 is even tougher. I'm inclined to believe we'd be more than fortunate to reach that goal with all the lingering questions that beg to be answered. Top five? Sorry, I want it but I doubt it.

You’re absolutely right nothing is definite. Just like anybody was saying we’re not in the top five. It’s just an opinion you know that

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