Zeke is going to have a monster, MVP type season!

Point-of-the-Star · Jun 4, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Zeke in my opinion, is without a doubt the team's best player. Highly productive, highly durable (never missed a game due to an injury). Opposing teams game plan to shut him down.

Last year was the first season, he legitimately lost the rushing title, finishing with over 1,300 yards and 12 td's. Many will argue his holdout affected his play early on, no matter, it will fuel his motivation for this upcoming season.

Zeke is the most balance RB in the entire league, he doesn't have a weakness on the field, but he has been vastly underused as a receiver by the former coaching staff. We have seen what he can do in space and he is deadly on screens passes. MM and is WCO will incorporate Zeke far more in the team's passing game. We are going to finally see the Zeke Elliot at his full potential. He has a LaDanian Tomlinson type of ceiling as an all-around back. The return of the zbs and a new RB coach who oversaw Gurley's success in it, will only help Zeke get better. In my opinion, he is going to have a monster season!!

This is very good stuff and no argument from me. I think Zeke has been used mostly as a safety valve for for Dak in the passing game. He most certainly is underutilized in the real passing game. He needs more drag routes and seam routes similar to what a good TE would get. He has really good hands.

My only concern is it seems that he has lost some of the speed and explosion he had in his rookie year. This is causing him to get pounded more by bigger bodies. I hope there can be more design plays to spring him. The Garrett offense was so plain jane with interior runs and sweeps. I think some of the pressure will be off him if Lamb starts the season hot and Jarwin has a couple of big games. (yeah, that's a big wish list). Less focus on Zeke, more crafty run play designs/calls = possible monster year. My fingers are crossed on all this.

Go Cowboys !!!!!!

disclaimer: I wrote this after reading the OP and have now gone back and read other's posts. Sorry for the redundancy but it seems we all have seen similar issues. Also, if Zeke's attitude is right we could see a step up in his game. He has got to be that 2016 Zeke.

fivetwos · Jun 4, 2020

John813 said:
Basically, it would have to be a repeat of the 2016(2014 offense as well) offense + more yards and TDs where we used the ground game as our best defense. Add in the offensive line was in it's prime those two years, it'll be hard to repeat those performances.

I root for the guy because of the laundry only, but even putting that aside, his money is going to need to go to an extension for at least two of the players we have been drafting of late, come 2022.

I say the same thing in every 21 thread....two more years. Period.

CowboyRoy · Jun 4, 2020

glimmerman said:
Really depends on how he is used this year. MM may look at the past on this team and lean on him. If he gets the same touches then he will have a shot. Being in camp and in shape and flow with the O-Line will help him.

Things in his favor:

1. Now we have MM and an unleashed Moore that will be more creative in the run game and the passing game
2. Better coaching and Lamb will make this offense near unstoppable
3. Probably will see more leads this year as our offense will be more aggressive, more blowouts

Thinks NOT in his favor:

1. Another year older and he has already been paid
2. He may not get as many carries in the new offense with MM and Moore
3. Passing game will probably become more of the focus
4. Pollard will probably see in increase in carries
5. Frederick is gone and the Oline is in transition at 2 spots.

If Zeke gets 300 carries and catches 70 passes again this year and doesn't score 18-20 TD's then it will be a bad year. If this offense is as good as last year or better.

cowboygo · Jun 4, 2020

I just can't see Zeke scoring 31 total touchdowns in a season like LT did in 2006 with the weapons around him. Or even an MVP season Adrian Peterson had in 2012. Both those squads did not have a WR over 700 yards.

fivetwos · Jun 4, 2020

I dont care what the team may say his weight is, I know by eye that he put on pounds, and is pretty average because of it.

Let's go with this...I think its WAY more likely the team eats the dead money on the cap by cutting him after THIS year than they are to still have him around for 2022.

QuincyCarterEra · Jun 4, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Zeke in my opinion, is without a doubt the team's best player. Highly productive, highly durable (never missed a game due to an injury). Opposing teams game plan to shut him down.

Last year was the first season, he legitimately lost the rushing title, finishing with over 1,300 yards and 12 td's. Many will argue his holdout affected his play early on, no matter, it will fuel his motivation for this upcoming season.

Zeke is the most balance RB in the entire league, he doesn't have a weakness on the field, but he has been vastly underused as a receiver by the former coaching staff. We have seen what he can do in space and he is deadly on screens passes. MM and is WCO will incorporate Zeke far more in the team's passing game. We are going to finally see the Zeke Elliot at his full potential. He has a LaDanian Tomlinson type of ceiling as an all-around back. The return of the zbs and a new RB coach who oversaw Gurley's success in it, will only help Zeke get better. In my opinion, he is going to have a monster season!!

Whole lot of opinion, whole lot wrong, very little facts.

shabazz · Jun 4, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Dak is the best player and MVP of team. If you are looking at it objectively. Zeke is probably top 7 at this position I can agree on that.

If Dakota is the best player on the team and the MVP, this team wont come close to a Super Bowl. Hes a stop gap mediocre quarterback that wants to be paid Elite money...........unsigned and deservedly so

CowboyRoy · Jun 4, 2020

shabazz said:
If Dakota is the best player on the team and the MVP, this team wont come close to a Super Bowl. Hes a stop gap mediocre quarterback that wants to be paid Elite money...........unsigned and deservedly so

I would be more concerned about your opinion if it actually had any merit. At this point, guys like you are a side joke. Good for a laugh, that's about it.

Hennessy_King · Jun 4, 2020

The run game was so ineffective last season. Whether that was because of coaching, play calling, execution I don't know. We were supposedly rated #2 offensive run blocking last season but zeke barely ever ran against loaded boxes. If my memory serves me correctly didn't it take him forever to have a run over 20 yards or something. I'm hoping he returns more explosive this season I'm blaming it on the holdout in cabo.

But he isn't the best player on the team. Last season the 2 best players on the team were Zach Martin and Dak Prescott.

DenCWBY · Jun 4, 2020

glimmerman said:
Really depends on how he is used this year. MM may look at the past on this team and lean on him. If he gets the same touches then he will have a shot. Being in camp and in shape and flow with the O-Line will help him.

This for sure esp. your last sentence. I hope he has a very strong offseason program because he's going to need it for durability. He's been getting nick up each year and it's starting to show at the end of last season. We'll see soon enough when he gets to camp.

Adreme · Jun 4, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:
Zeke has declined since his big pay day. I don't see him having an MVP season. Nor do I think he's "the team's best player". There's no such thing unless one player is the "best" at all positions.

His big pay day 1 year ago? That is the entire basis of your argument. He had a bad year (only 4th in rushing) last year so therefore he has lost it since he got paid? I just want to make sure we are using the same metrics, because that logic seems to imply that rebounds never happen after a bad year.

RustyBourneHorse · Jun 4, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Zeke in my opinion, is without a doubt the team's best player. Highly productive, highly durable (never missed a game due to an injury). Opposing teams game plan to shut him down.

Last year was the first season, he legitimately lost the rushing title, finishing with over 1,300 yards and 12 td's. Many will argue his holdout affected his play early on, no matter, it will fuel his motivation for this upcoming season.

Zeke is the most balance RB in the entire league, he doesn't have a weakness on the field, but he has been vastly underused as a receiver by the former coaching staff. We have seen what he can do in space and he is deadly on screens passes. MM and is WCO will incorporate Zeke far more in the team's passing game. We are going to finally see the Zeke Elliot at his full potential. He has a LaDanian Tomlinson type of ceiling as an all-around back. The return of the zbs and a new RB coach who oversaw Gurley's success in it, will only help Zeke get better. In my opinion, he is going to have a monster season!!

I certainly hope you're right. It'd be great especially with our new HC.

SlammedZero · Jun 4, 2020

cowboygo said:
Or even an MVP season Adrian Peterson had in 2012.

That was one of the greatest RB performing seasons I've seen. Peterson put that team on his back the entire year.

As for Zeke, hard to say. I can't imagine he will ever be able to match his rookie season (man, that was fun to watch) but that is not to say the guy cannot continue to have a successful career. Time will tell!

charron · Jun 4, 2020

When Zeke wins or competes for the rushing tittle we tend to make the post season. Last year we threw more than Dak ever has, he put up great numbers but it did not propel us to the post season. The reason rushing is better primarily is because our defense is not nearly as good as our offence and it needs to stay off the field as much as possible.

glimmerman · Jun 4, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Things in his favor:

1. Now we have MM and an unleashed Moore that will be more creative in the run game and the passing game
2. Better coaching and Lamb will make this offense near unstoppable
3. Probably will see more leads this year as our offense will be more aggressive, more blowouts

Thinks NOT in his favor:

1. Another year older and he has already been paid
2. He may not get as many carries in the new offense with MM and Moore
3. Passing game will probably become more of the focus
4. Pollard will probably see in increase in carries
5. Frederick is gone and the Oline is in transition at 2 spots.

If Zeke gets 300 carries and catches 70 passes again this year and doesn't score 18-20 TD's then it will be a bad year. If this offense is as good as last year or better.

The way I see it is if he can get between 1000-1500 then it’s a productive year. If Pollard could get close to 1000 also we are in the playoffs. Not likely to happen but hey. The exciting thing is that we don’t know.

phildadon86 · Jun 4, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
His touches will go down this year. So unless he gets back to breaking off some long runs, he won't even get as many yards as he did last year.

I'd be happy if he played like he did his rookie season. That would also put him in the discussion for best player on the team. Which he currently is not.

I believe that a coach that doesn’t coddle him and let his weight get out of control will help greatly.

cowboygo · Jun 4, 2020

SlammedZero said:
That was one of the greatest RB performing seasons I've seen. Peterson put that team on his back the entire year.

As for Zeke, hard to say. I can't imagine he will ever be able to match his rookie season (man, that was fun to watch) but that is not to say the guy cannot continue to have a successful career. Time will tell!

He indeed did! That offense was also completely centered around him, and he performed admirably. I agree that Zeke can still continue his successful career, but an MVP year takes an offense centered around you. I'd rather him not have over 300 carries in a season. 270-290 carries would be my target plus an additional 40-50 receptions. We need to manage his workload so he can be running at the end of the season hard.

charron said:
When Zeke wins or competes for the rushing tittle we tend to make the post season. Last year we threw more than Dak ever has, he put up great numbers but it did not propel us to the post season. The reason rushing is better primarily is because our defense is not nearly as good as our offence and it needs to stay off the field as much as possible.

Winning leads to running more. Running does not lead to winning. Two important differences.

acr731 · Jun 4, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
I would be more concerned about your opinion if it actually had any merit. At this point, guys like you are a side joke. Good for a laugh, that's about it.

I'm curious why your opinion should hold more merit than Shabazz or anyone else.

CowboyRoy · Jun 4, 2020

glimmerman said:
The way I see it is if he can get between 1000-1500 then it’s a productive year. If Pollard could get close to 1000 also we are in the playoffs. Not likely to happen but hey. The exciting thing is that we don’t know.

250 carries for Zeke and 150 for Pollard would be how I would do it.

1200 yards for Zeke and 800 for Pollard for a nice 2000 yard rushing year.

Both fresh for the playoffs.

CowboyRoy · Jun 4, 2020

acr731 said:
I'm curious why your opinion should hold more merit than Shabazz or anyone else.

Sure...………..he is a noted troll that has gotten it wrong in regards to Dak since the beginning. My stance on Dak since the beginning as been about as spot on as you can get.

My opinion is backed up by facts, statistics, and knowledgeable experts while he has little backup other than some cherry picking and an eye test that is about as worthless as tits on a bull.

If he was a poster that had a history of knowing what he was talking about, that would be different.

Some people have a history of being more accurate than others.

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