Bobby Belt-The Complete Defense of Dak Prescott: Debunking the Nine Most Common Criticisms

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There's nothing weak about it.

You have no objective numbers to support your position. Almost all the numbers prove you to be wrong.

All you have is your "eye test". Which counts for exactly zero.

And the Saints, Jets, Bills and Bears all had far superior defenses than what they faced when they played the Cowboys.

But I do recognize that Dak still needs work. He needs to be better. My only argument is that he's not the useless scrub you and others think he is. You have zero facts or objective stats to support that position.

The trolls are reeling . They see the writing on the wall. Offense is stacked and Garrett is gone. Even the defense is upgraded.
 

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I'm assuming you didn't actually read the article since a lot of statements he refuted but had to laugh at this. Accornding to you the Cowboys had 0 comeback wins and fell behind in 85% of the games. That don't add up to 8-8 lol.
@PAPPYDOG is just a troll.
 

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There's nothing weak about it.

You have no objective numbers to support your position. Almost all the numbers prove you to be wrong.

All you have is your "eye test". Which counts for exactly zero.

And the Saints, Jets, Bills and Bears all had far superior defenses than what they faced when they played the Cowboys.

But I do recognize that Dak still needs work. He needs to be better. My only argument is that he's not the useless scrub you and others think he is. You have zero facts or objective stats to support that position.
Like I said, weak argument


When the team loses, its coaching


When the team wins, its Dak


Miss me with all the other rambling about numbers “all I have is the eye test”...

All YOU have is excuses as to why Dak and this team especially, fall short


Watch them fall short again this year. You and the other Dak fan boys, will say McCarthy isnt a good coach and coaching let him down again
 

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This article is one of the best thought out arguments re: Dak. It's funny looking at this thread and seeing who hasn't bothered to read it and just keeps spewing the same opinion they've posted for months.

Evidence? I don't need no stinkin' evidence!

Even funnier are grown men who call themselves football fans yet they simplistically break down games like my grandmother. It's as if they just started following the sport last year. :muttley:


Yep, im going to repeat my point which is , if he we pay him $35m, he accepts a 5th year.

Fifth year can total $45 mil (which will pay him the largest contract) ….provided the last year is mainly non-guaranteed.
 

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1. Anyone could win with Dak Prescott's supporting cast. This is going overboard and nobody says this. What people do say is there are many other starters that could do as well or better. And that’s not a ridiculous statement.


2. Ezekiel Elliott carries Dak Prescott. I guess this is in regard to the bus driver talk, which in my mind means if the running game gets shut down the Cowboys can’t ride Dak’s arm to victory on a week in and week out basis. Again, that doesn’t seem to be a ridiculous statement.

3. Dak Prescott disappears in the clutch. This doesn’t seem like a common criticism. What I see more than anything is criticism that Dak struggles in the first 3 quarters, digs a hole, and then has to come back. It’s almost like he performs much better in the clutch than he does the early going.

4. Dak Prescott pads his stats in garbage time. That definitely happened in 2019.

5. Dak Prescott isn't an elite passer. Well, I don’t think that’s a ridiculous statement.

6. Dak Prescott hasn't won a Super Bowl/isn't the best QB in the league so he can't be the highest paid. There’s a difference between can’t be and shouldn’t be.

7. Dak Prescott is to blame for his receivers' drops. His receivers let him down for sure. But I did see some drops where I thought it was a tough ball to catch but that happens.

8. Dak Prescott doesn't beat good teams/win big games. Until 2019 this wasn’t true. Last year I felt like there were big games against playoff caliber teams where he didn’t play well.

9. "My eyes tell me" He does have issues with fundamentals. Fundamentals aren’t everything and you can be a great QB without being perfect in that regard but those are definitely visible to those that know football.


Overall I think it’s a case of someone making over the top straw man arguments instead of really wanting to debate the points about Dak. There are certainly people who are over the top in their criticism of Dak and those over the top with their praise. The truth is in the middle and it isn’t a slam dunk that we know for sure just what Dak is and will be.

Read the article, itll make you smarter.
 

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The trolls are reeling . They see the writing on the wall. Offense is stacked and Garrett is gone. Even the defense is upgraded.
Sure because people who don't believe in Dak want the Cowboys to fail - the nerve of those people!
 

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So, are the Eagles, Packers and Seahawks crippled?
Ive been reading over and over again here that the Eagles regret that contract.

However I have seen nothing from any Eagles related source thats gives even the most trivial indication that that is the case.
 

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Bobby Belt has written a long essay debunking a lot of the claims people make about Dak Prescott to discredit him.

1. Anyone could win with Dak Prescott's supporting cast.
2. Ezekiel Elliott carries Dak Prescott.
3. Dak Prescott disappears in the clutch.
4. Dak Prescott pads his stats in garbage time.
5. Dak Prescott isn't an elite passer.
6. Dak Prescott hasn't won a Super Bowl/isn't the best QB in the league so he can't be the highest paid.
7. Dak Prescott is to blame for his receivers' drops.
8. Dak Prescott doesn't beat good teams/win big games.
9. "My eyes tell me"

Belt provides evidence to counter each of these claims. Great info regardless of how you currently feel about Dak.

so where is this essay?? I dont see a link, just a blank twitter image.

Anyone could win with Dak Prescott's supporting cast......... this is pretty much the case. Only jones boys wont play anyone else lol.
 

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Ive been reading over and over again here that the Eagles regret that contract.

However I have seen nothing from any Eagles related source thats gives even the most trivial indication that that is the case.
I'm sure those saying that are just posters trying to make a point despite not having anything to back up what they are saying.
 

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@QuincyCarterEra fightin the good fight i see. At this point you can't change their minds or help these ppl. They are just dumb and ignorant i'm not wasting my time anymore.
Its gotten to the point its almost not even worth arguing that crowd. I mean how many times do you need to see @PAPPYDOG get slapped around.

All most of them do is post a quick quip and ignore any response based in logic. I respect dissention, if its based in logic.

And to many dudes that never post about anything else. Its creepy
 

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it isnt hate, it is the money he wants, it is way too much for what he has shown.
According to who? Fans don't make that choice, the teams do. Some people might think I make too much money for what I do, but if my employer thinks I'm worth the money and is willing to pay it, then what I make is not too much. Look at Carson Wentz - what has he shown more than Dak has to deserve his big contract?
 

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According to who? Fans don't make that choice, the teams do. Some people might think I make too much money for what I do, but if my employer thinks I'm worth the money and is willing to pay it, then what I make is not too much. Look at Carson Wentz - what has he shown more than Dak has to deserve his big contract?

Here we go again.

If we follow that logic then JJ isn't convinced Dak is worth it.
 

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According to who? Fans don't make that choice, the teams do. Some people might think I make too much money for what I do, but if my employer thinks I'm worth the money and is willing to pay it, then what I make is not too much. Look at Carson Wentz - what has he shown more than Dak has to deserve his big contract?
Wentz wasnt worth it , neither was goff, or wilson. just imo.
As a owner and GM jerry has to decide if he wants to go that route and copy those teams, or go another route.
you wont see BB paying a qb that much . what does that tell you?
he is going with stidwell, a basically unknown qb that has only played in some preseason games.
I am curious to see how that works out.
The chiefs got rid of their high salary qb, and drafted mahomes, who has been so good, they will now have to pay him.
He is the only current qb worth paying a lot of money, but since it will be so high it could hurt KC getting back to any sb's after he gets a new deal.
 

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Read the article, itll make you smarter.
I read it. First of all, it’s not all that well written. Secondly, it’s full of straw man arguments just like I stated. The guy just seems upset that there isn’t absolute unanimity about Dak. There are really poor arguments by some about Dak that are unfair. But there are also some people that know what they’re talking about when criticizing Dak. Like I said, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
 

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Here we go again.

If we follow that logic then JJ isn't convinced Dak is worth it.

I don't see that as logic because the Cowboys wanting Dak under team control for 5 years instead of 4 would indicate the team is convinced Dak is worth a big contract. If going by media reports, the hang up is only on that 5th year, which Dak doesn't want to be part of the deal and the team does.
 

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Weak argument


Being outplayed by Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, and Mitch Trubisky will do that


See how that works
Actually.. If you take the time to go back, look at the Box Scores, and evaluate those games. Three of those QBs didn't outplay Dak, and the fourth is arguable. Several things went into those losses. But... I guess since failed fourth down conversions, dropped passes, offensive pass interference calls, holding, missed field goals, crappy play by special teams, and several defensive penalties allowing drives by the other team to continue, don't fit the narrative... we'll just pretend those didn't happen.
 

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Wentz wasnt worth it , neither was goff, or wilson. just imo.
As a owner and GM jerry has to decide if he wants to go that route and copy those teams, or go another route.
you wont see BB paying a qb that much . what does that tell you?
he is going with stidwell, a basically unknown qb that has only played in some preseason games.
I am curious to see how that works out.
The chiefs got rid of their high salary qb, and drafted mahomes, who has been so good, they will now have to pay him.
He is the only current qb worth paying a lot of money, but since it will be so high it could hurt KC getting back to any sb's after he gets a new deal.
It's not just a matter of copying teams, it's competing with teams. If the Cowboys aren't willing to pay a competitive price for what they see as key talent in key positions, another team will. They can't keep playing Dak on a franchise tag forever, and even if they could that would amount to them paying for a big contract anyway.

As for BB, I'm sure there was a point he was paying Brady at the top of the market, but the last several years he had a 40+ year old QB who already had hundreds of millions in assets, and a wife who has as much or more than that, and he was fortunate that he got a team friendly deal. I would bet dollars to donuts Brady wasn't that forgiving with his first big contract.
 
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