Bobby Belt-The Complete Defense of Dak Prescott: Debunking the Nine Most Common Criticisms

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 4, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
zeke down to the wire, Cooper past the wire, even Lawrence was down to the time line wire for him getting his surgery.

I don’t see a message.

But you....er we...er somebody? have put such emphasis that "DAK is our QB of the future!" And "good qb are hard to find!" and YOU have said it yourself..."RB's a dime a dozen". So don't come at me like Zeke was a hard sell.

If dak is one of kind hard to find diamond in the rough...then you sign him. Not hold or negotiate.

Look I get it..this is just my opinion...I'm no NFL player agent nor NFL GM. Like you? Just on the surface optics.

Big_D · Jun 4, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
absolutely. Look at how happy they were we went 8-8. Downright gleeful.

I wasn't gleeful they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs. I was downright ecstatic and I was rooting for that or Garrett would still be here right now!!!

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 4, 2020

Polkton31 said:
LMAO. True to your MO... Everyone knows arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what happens, eventually the pigeon will knock over all the pieces, **** on the board, then strut around like he won.

Our cat used to jump on our game boards, bat the pieces around and cause general destruction. Like Monopoly. We called her "Catzilla". Good times! Thanks for reminding me.

GimmeTheBall! · Jun 4, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
1. Anyone could win with Dak Prescott's supporting cast. Best offline and HB including top 10 WR in Coop and he still can't score TD...
2. Ezekiel Elliott carries Dak Prescott. They arrived together in 2016 and ya without Zeke no way we go 13-3...
3. Dak Prescott disappears in the clutch. Being 1-7 against good teams and had 0 comeback wins last season. We also fell behind in 85% of our games.
4. Dak Prescott pads his stats in garbage time. Wake up Bobby he does! He is the garbage king and the prevent defense is his best friend as the battle has been lost for our team!
5. Dak Prescott isn't an elite passer. Correct as his flaws are many from accuracy to the pocket presence to footwork....ya he is NOT an elite passer and never was!
6. Dak Prescott hasn't won a Super Bowl/isn't the best QB in the league so he can't be the highest paid. Superbowl LOL for a guy who couldn't score more than 9 points in Philly please Bobby lol
7. Dak Prescott is to blame for his receivers' drops. Not all but most so-called drops are OFF TARGET...accuracy issues as mentioned above!
8. Dak Prescott doesn't beat good teams/win big games. From the Colts shut out to last years debacle he simply cannot score TD against good teams! The red-Zone horror story is the Dak show!
9. "My eyes tell me" Should we keep them shut when Dak is on the field? Sorry, Bobby but we got them and we use them!!!

If only, matey, I could have your word power!
I could rule the world and make @Whirlwin clean me halfway house!

GimmeTheBall! · Jun 4, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
Dallas had one of the lowest 3 and out rates in the league last year.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/overall-drive-statsoff/2019

Mods, what's the most amount of times a poster has been owned in the first page of a thread before?

Quincy Carter approves this post.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jun 4, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
So now wins and losses are QB stat. Okay!

actually that was just debunking his stance....but in my opinion, wins/losses are reflection of GM/Coach and how well they put a TEAM together.
no QB can control scheme, play calling, the teammates, etc......they may influence, but not control....and if they do, then there is something wrong with that team.....

SteveTheCowboy · Jun 4, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
actually that was just debunking his stance....but in my opinion, wins/losses are reflection of GM/Coach and how well they put a TEAM together.
no QB can control scheme, play calling, the teammates, etc......they may influence, but not control....and if they do, then there is something wrong with that team.....

Why would you use HIS point to debunk HIS point? That doesn't make any sense. You have to realize people are just reading your WORDS.

I have found when you are tying top be the cutest an cleverest...you are making the least sense.

I sort of agree with you....coaches put a scheme in and the players execute it. BUT.....things like "coaches make them not catch the ball" is ridiculous.

Players execute plays no matter how bad the call is. I think we agree it's a complicated menagerie.

CowboyRoy · Jun 4, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
But you....er we...er somebody? have put such emphasis that "DAK is our QB of the future!" And "good qb are hard to find!" and YOU have said it yourself..."RB's a dime a dozen". So don't come at me like Zeke was a hard sell.

If dak is one of kind hard to find diamond in the rough...then you sign him. Not hold or negotiate.

Look I get it..this is just my opinion...I'm no NFL player agent nor NFL GM. Like you? Just on the surface optics.

All depends on how hard the other team is driving the bargain. And why not try to get the best deal for your team?

Jaylon clearly didn't put up much of a fight. Dak has an agent that is ball buster.

Definitely not as simple as give some guy whatever he wants. But no doubt you are just trying to say that they just don't think Dak is that good.

CowboyRoy · Jun 4, 2020

Big_D said:
I wasn't gleeful they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs. I was downright ecstatic and I was rooting for that or Garrett would still be here right now!!!

LOL...…….actually you are totally correct. I was happy as a clam too. Best year in 15 years for the Cowboys. Got Garrett fired. I take it back!!!!

CowboysFaninHouston · Jun 4, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
Why would you use HIS point to debunk HIS point? That doesn't make any sense. You have to realize people are just reading your WORDS.

I have found when you are tying top be the cutest an cleverest...you are making the least sense.

I sort of agree with you....coaches put a scheme in and the players execute it. BUT.....things like "coaches make them not catch the ball" is ridiculous.

Players execute plays no matter how bad the call is. I think we agree it's a complicated menagerie.

I simply asked if he is pointing fingers at Dak, then why not compare it to other QBs as well (not put out a measure in a vaccum as any QB stat of any type in a vaccum is totally meaningless) and even if we used his measure of Success/Failure, Dak still ranked above many top QBs....so even by his own standards, Dak still ranks at the top level

DandyDon52 · Jun 4, 2020

OmerV said:
It's not just a matter of copying teams, it's competing with teams. If the Cowboys aren't willing to pay a competitive price for what they see as key talent in key positions, another team will. They can't keep playing Dak on a franchise tag forever, and even if they could that would amount to them paying for a big contract anyway.

As for BB, I'm sure there was a point he was paying Brady at the top of the market, but the last several years he had a 40+ year old QB who already had hundreds of millions in assets, and a wife who has as much or more than that, and he was fortunate that he got a team friendly deal. I would bet dollars to donuts Brady wasn't that forgiving with his first big contract.

brady had won a sb or 2 before he got his big payday. Dak has won 1 wc round po game.
And back then BB was still learning and brady had become the guy.
But from what I have read, BB was wanting to get rid of brady and go with garapalo , but kraft traded him away.
so BB could have went after dalton , cam, or some other vet , but he chose to go with his young cheap qb. He is going to rely on his defense.

Playing dak 1 year on the tag means they cant test him out with MM and then decide what to do next off season.
If they sign him now, it is a 4-5 year commitment.

QuincyCarterEra · Jun 4, 2020

ClintDagger said:
I read it. First of all, it’s not all that well written. Secondly, it’s full of straw man arguments just like I stated. The guy just seems upset that there isn’t absolute unanimity about Dak. There are really poor arguments by some about Dak that are unfair. But there are also some people that know what they’re talking about when criticizing Dak. Like I said, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

The straw man arguments are what he addresses, and disproves. He knew they were strawman argument and that's why used this time to prove them to be false. So even with you stating it twice doesn't make it sound any better.

He's simply correcting false opinions is all.

QuincyCarterEra · Jun 4, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
And you do not have a narrative? mkay sure...whatever suits your fancy.

Just sign him for what he wants like Jerry does.

This response proves my point.

jaythecowboy · Jun 4, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
Read the article, itll make you smarter.

12 pages in and I don't recall seeing anyone trying to refute the actual evidence Belt presents. They are giving the same underdeveloped arguments that he wrote the article to debunk.

JoeKing · Jun 4, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
Inaccurate where?
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/player/dak-prescott/PRE285723

What pocket presence issues do you have?

You're wasting your time if you think a Dak hating agenda can be diverted by analytical facts and figures.

JoeKing · Jun 4, 2020

jaythecowboy said:
12 pages in and I don't recall seeing anyone trying to refute the actual evidence Belt presents. They are giving the same underdeveloped arguments that he wrote the article to debunk.

"Dak Haters Incorporated" does not mind repeating ignorant talking points that have long ago been debunked.

Hennessy_King · Jun 4, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
Right...so NOW we're using win loss records to show Dak's worth?

When everyone been saying but it's a team game. What in the **....

Romo NEVER had 3 #1 picks on the line and stud #1 3rd pick RB leading the league to hand off to AND block offensive linemen.

Ok then can we use all the analytics that cement dak as top 6-9 qb? What can we use to determine how good he is. We cant use records we cant use stats and we cant use analytics. Should we use your bifocals along with your stupidity to critique him?

Big_D · Jun 4, 2020

I posted actual stats and somehow they don't mean anything.

1. Not a single win in 2019 when trailing at Halftime.

2. Absolutely sucked at scoring in the first quarter. So if you fall behind and reach the half, it's game over. lol

3. Not a single 4th quarter comeback or game winning drive in 2019.

4. None of that is worth top dollar.

Bobby Belt writing some fluff piece in his Dak pajamas doesn't really tell the whole story. Guy makes one excuse after the next.

Hennessy_King · Jun 4, 2020

Big_D said:
I posted actual stats and somehow they don't mean anything.

1. Not a single win in 2019 when trailing at Halftime.

2. Absolutely sucked at scoring in the first quarter. So if you fall behind and reach the half, it's game over. lol

3. Not a single 4th quarter comeback or game winning drive in 2019.

4. None of that is worth top dollar.

Bobby Belt writing some fluff piece in his Dak pajamas doesn't really tell the whole story. Guy makes one excuse after the next.

He has the 2nd most game winning drives since coming into the league in 2016..........

johneric8 · Jun 4, 2020

Polkton31 said:
LMAO. True to your MO... Everyone knows arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what happens, eventually the pigeon will knock over all the pieces, **** on the board, then strut around like he won.

Pigeons play chess? Absolutely idiotic analogy.

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