MM as a QB whisperer

Cowboyny · Jun 6, 2020

eromeopolk said:
The big M&M is a QB whisperer and the best proof is not Rogers, Farve, Hasselback, or Gannon. Aaron Brooks showed me the skills as a QB whisperer.

Before Drew Brees, the only QB to lead the Saints to a winning record, and first ever playoff win in franchise history (33 years in a row no playoff wins and only 4 non losing seasons). Aaron Brooks was a 6-4-220, 4.50 40 yd time, athlete project at QB, and was Micheal Vick's cousin making his mark before the Michael Vick experience. Having played only one year as a full time starter at UV, Brooks was RAW. Aaron Brooks was drafted by Green Bay where M&M started out with Brooks, and then had the Saints traded for the ex 4th round pick when the big M&M became the Saints OC. The Big M&M developed Brooks into a effective playoff contention QB until his departure from the Saints, eventually going back to Green Bay as HC. Believe me that having New Orleans win and be in playoff contention during those days was a Herculean feat as the club was cheap, poor performing franchise, and only had stability during the Jim Fink years as GM (1986-1992). M&M Aaron Brooks experience is the only thing I have hope for as Dak Prescott is tailor made for a QB whisperer like the Big M&M. Dak will listen, work hard, execute the game plan, and lead the way like he did for Jason Garrett but with a HC that can actually improve him, put him in better positions to win, and will take the reigns off to use Dak's mobility at QB. All the Big M&M QBs are known for their mobility and throwing. Dak fits M&M's QB profile.

Aaron Brooks is in the Saints Hall of Fame along with Archie Manning.

Excellent reference. Many forget how bad the Saints truly were, before Brees it was just Herbert and Brooks who were the only successful QB's throughout their long, losing history. Good point about Dak fitting his QB profile. I suspect the wco will be a much better fit for Dak's skill set.

ItzKelz · Jun 6, 2020

RandyOh said:
Dak has learned from all veteran QBs he’s had behind him but if there is one thing he learned from Romo it’s to read a defense and adjust the play.

I do not believe that. From everything that has been said to include from Dak he learned more from Sanchez in game time situations than he did from Romo. Romo was not this great mentor to Dak that most fans try to make him to be. #AllHailTheButtFumble

Super_Kazuya · Jun 6, 2020

RandyOh said:
He played most of his career under the clapper calling the shots. Don’t care how talented you are individually if your coach can’t make any proper adjustments on offense or defense when it matters. Only so much Romo could do.

I mean it’s the resident troll saying his normal troll things. Romo was an undrafted free agent who finished his career with a higher passer rating than all but 3 players ever and earned over 100 million. It’s hard to imagine him having a better career than the one he had, and certainly not from being able to “read defenses”. Trolls gonna troll.

plasticman · Jun 6, 2020

Really not that impressed with the list of QB's not already there before McCarty came to Green Bay. Dak already passed those others in his first four seasons before McCarty came to Dallas.

He didn't really do anything for Favre who was winding down and Rodgers with his arm strength and accuracy was going to be great regardless.

I think his reputation has always been rather overblown. More of a "right place, right time" kind of success.

408Cowboy · Jun 6, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
False, actually. After Flynn “got paid” he immediately lost the QB job in Seattle to Russell Wilson in 2012 and never started a game there. Flynn returned to the Packers in 2013 as a backup to play the infamous game against the Cowboys. He started the next week as well against Pittsburgh, and then never started another game in the NFL again. So the only thing Garrett got him was a pat on the back and a game ball.
The real answer to that question is Jim Schwartz.

Thanks. I had no clue what the timeline was I just know it's a game I'll never forget. It sums up Garrett's coaching career perfectly.

MarcusRock · Jun 6, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Wentz was never in the team's plans due to the cost of moving up. The likes of Lynch and Cook were more developmental QB's as Romo was starting to show his age and struggled to stay healthy.

Not buying that. There was some loose chatter about Dallas and Wentz at the 4th pick. I believe we interviewed him as well. Before the Rams and Eagles traded up, no mocks had Wentz going that high so it's conceivable that Dallas thought he could easily fall to them at 4 and maybe make a decision between he and Joey Bosa if he also fell. I know no one ever wants to believe that the Eagles got one over on us (just like no one wants to admit the Goeddert pick) but no one was expecting Wentz off the board by then until the Eagles traded up.

TheMarathonContinues · Jun 6, 2020

RandyOh said:
He played most of his career under the clapper calling the shots. Don’t care how talented you are individually if your coach can’t make any proper adjustments on offense or defense when it matters. Only so much Romo could do.

Yeah but there have been players who still get to the playoffs with poor coaching. I get why he never got a ring......that doesn't explain why they lacked playoff berths.

TheMarathonContinues · Jun 6, 2020

RandyOh said:
Not to mention Romo literally became the highest paid football analyst ever due to his ability to read a play. He literally calls out everything about a play before the ball is snapped on TV.

He does it because he can. He's not the only analyst that could do it he was just the only one smart enough to do it. Some people complain they don't like to know the play before it happens which is why some don't do it.

Cowboyny · Jun 6, 2020

MarcusRock said:
Not buying that. There was some loose chatter about Dallas and Wentz at the 4th pick. I believe we interviewed him as well. Before the Rams and Eagles traded up, no mocks had Wentz going that high so it's conceivable that Dallas thought he could easily fall to them at 4 and maybe make a decision between he and Joey Bosa if he also fell. I know no one ever wants to believe that the Eagles got one over on us (just like no one wants to admit the Goeddert pick) but no one was expecting Wentz off the board by then until the Eagles traded up.

I disagree. Early in the process, the so called media scouts view Wentz as more of a 2nd rd QB prospect. Many thought the Browns were a lock to take the QB at #2. The Cowboys on draft day had two finalist for their #4 selection, it was down to Zeke & Ramsey, Bosa was graded after them.

fivetwos · Jun 6, 2020

Flamma said:
If we're going to pay our QB top money then we better see similar results as other teams with elite QBs that have success year in and year out. Like Pitt, NE, Saints, Green Bay. Garrett is no longer the coach. No one to blame. I don't expect championships. But I expect 12-4 seasons year in and year out.

That's right.

A key injury or two and things would unravel.

I guess that's what happens when you need an All Pro at every position for your scheme to work....if you can call it that.

But yeah, it's time to be in the hunt every year with a top QB on board.

AND....if he proves to not be able to be just that....we will all be plenty happy with his short term deal.

cern · Jun 6, 2020

It appears the greatest asset to becoming a qb whisperer is having a great qb.

fivetwos · Jun 6, 2020

RandyOh said:
He played most of his career under the clapper calling the shots. Don’t care how talented you are individually if your coach can’t make any proper adjustments on offense or defense when it matters. Only so much Romo could do.

Adjustments?

There will be no adjustments, schemes or opponent specific game planning.

Has to be kept simple so the players can understand. None of them went to Princeton.

Giants fans have no idea what they are in for.

The only question is if Mara will jump at the bait as badly as Jerry did.

What a fraud.

Still dont have a clue how he got an entire decade.

Flamma · Jun 6, 2020

Bigdog said:
If anyone saw Rodgers when he first came into the league he was terrible. Had the talent but his throws were not good. Hopefully MM can turn Dak into half of what Rodgers is as far a qb. Dak already has the intangibles that you can’t teach like leadership.

I didn't pay attention to Rodgers when he first started out. So I'll have to take your word for it. I just remember that Thursday night game in 2007 when Dallas knocked out Favre and Rodgers came in. I'm not a Rodgers fan and have always thought people overrate him. But I could immediately see he was the better QB for GB. First time on the field. He wasn't reckless with the ball and the offense showed life it didn't have previously. He almost brought them back. No way that happens with Favre playing the whole game. From that point on I expected him to be a pain in the *** in years to come.

buybuydandavis · Jun 6, 2020

Cowboyny said:
We are all aware of the long list of great QB's MM has worked with in his career, most recently he helped develop Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. Yes, Rodgers came into this league with tremendous talent, but so have many others, a small list end up being hall of fame QB's, which Rodgers certainly will be. It was under MM watch and scheme that made Rodgers into the player he is today.

The best value we could get from our QB whisperer isn't in improving Dak, but in improving *cheap* QBs. That's where you can get a massive advantage.

MM is supposed to be the QB Whisperer. We should be bringing in another QB or two to let him work his magic.

cern · Jun 6, 2020

Garrett attended Columbia when his daddy was the football coach. When daddy got the job at princeton, garrett switched to princeton. Brains or nepotism?

KingintheNorth · Jun 6, 2020

Is the line for the Kool-Aid?

Fresh out? Shucks.

Bullflop · Jun 6, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
The best value we could get from our QB whisperer isn't in improving Dak, but in improving *cheap* QBs. That's where you can get a massive advantage.

MM is supposed to be the QB Whisperer. We should be bringing in another QB or two to let him work his magic.

Not likely -- we've already got two more besides Dak in Andy Dalton and Dinucci. That's enough to keep him busy this year.

Bigdog · Jun 6, 2020

Flamma said:
I didn't pay attention to Rodgers when he first started out. So I'll have to take your word for it. I just remember that Thursday night game in 2007 when Dallas knocked out Favre and Rodgers came in. I'm not a Rodgers fan and have always thought people overrate him. But I could immediately see he was the better QB for GB. First time on the field. He wasn't reckless with the ball and the offense showed life it didn't have previously. He almost brought them back. No way that happens with Favre playing the whole game. From that point on I expected him to be a pain in the *** in years to come.

I saw some preseason games as a rookie and as expected he didn’t look good but then again Jerry Rice didn’t look good either in his first season. I hope Dak can be half as good as either.

Proof · Jun 6, 2020

eromeopolk said:
The big M&M is a QB whisperer and the best proof is not Rogers, Farve, Hasselback, or Gannon. Aaron Brooks showed me the skills as a QB whisperer.

Before Drew Brees, the only QB to lead the Saints to a winning record, and first ever playoff win in franchise history (33 years in a row no playoff wins and only 4 non losing seasons). Aaron Brooks was a 6-4-220, 4.50 40 yd time, athlete project at QB, and was Micheal Vick's cousin making his mark before the Michael Vick experience. Having played only one year as a full time starter at UV, Brooks was RAW. Aaron Brooks was drafted by Green Bay where M&M started out with Brooks, and then had the Saints traded for the ex 4th round pick when the big M&M became the Saints OC. The Big M&M developed Brooks into a effective playoff contention QB until his departure from the Saints, eventually going back to Green Bay as HC. Believe me that having New Orleans win and be in playoff contention during those days was a Herculean feat as the club was cheap, poor performing franchise, and only had stability during the Jim Fink years as GM (1986-1992). M&M Aaron Brooks experience is the only thing I have hope for as Dak Prescott is tailor made for a QB whisperer like the Big M&M. Dak will listen, work hard, execute the game plan, and lead the way like he did for Jason Garrett but with a HC that can actually improve him, put him in better positions to win, and will take the reigns off to use Dak's mobility at QB. All the Big M&M QBs are known for their mobility and throwing. Dak fits M&M's QB profile.

Aaron Brooks is in the Saints Hall of Fame along with Archie Manning.

Lots of good points. Undermined by the insistence on calling him the big M&M

pupulehaole · Jun 6, 2020

Hard to whisper in Dak's ear if hes standing 6ft away.

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