Recap: JJT Whispers From The Star 6/05

Techsass · Jun 6, 2020

PJTHEDOORS said:
I know, Aikman had ZERO flaws. Career 61.5% completions. 165 TD's-141 INT's.

Stats don't matter anymore after you win 3 (shoulda been 4) SBs.

dwreck27 · Jun 6, 2020

Nexx said:
if Dak is such a great leader, why did Michael Bennett have to go off in the locker room after being with the team for a such a short time?

Yup, dude had such a great pulse on the team a dude who has been around winning and expects to win felt this team didn’t have that same desire.

Jeffkills · Jun 7, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
And you know this even though he hasn't played in 2 years. Maybe you should just wait until or if he gets reinstated and see where is quickness is this season not what he was a couple of years ago.
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Negative attitudes around here...

ConstantReboot · Jun 7, 2020

Nexx said:
if Dak is such a great leader, why did Michael Bennett have to go off in the locker room after being with the team for a such a short time?

Going off on people doesn't make you a good leader.

ConstantReboot · Jun 7, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
In the packer game how many points did the defense give up - 34. in the jets game how many points did the defense give up - 24, in the vikings game how many points did the defense give up - 28, in the bears game how many points did the defense give up - 31. There's 4 games if the defense played better the Cowboys could have won. The saints game Prescott could have put up more points but on the other hand if the defense made a couple more stops the Cowboys might have won that game too. The eagles game Prescott played with an injured throwing shoulder and with two backup offensive linemen, Gallup had 2 drops, Cobb 1 drop, Cooper 2 drops Elliott had only 47 yards rushing, the defense gave up over 300 yards passing and 118 yards rushing, allowed the eagles to convert on 44% of their 3rd downs and controlled the ball for 36.44 minutes or 13 more minutes than the Cowboys had the ball and special teams allowed a punt return to the Cowboys 39 yard line to start a series of plays. Seems like there's a lot more to blame on that eagles loss than just Prescott. Yes there were games Prescott could have done more and better but guess what, even the Bree's and Rodger's type QB have bad games too. Out of the 8 losses the Cowboys had last season the defense and/or special teams is as much or more to blame for 4 of those losses.
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I blame Zeke and Garrett for the Saints lost. Running up the middle on 1st and 2nd downs all the time while they had an injured corner watching Cooper is just losing strategy. We finally started to move the ball once Dak started throwing the ball. In fact, Garrett is the main reason why the team was 8-8 last year.

ConstantReboot · Jun 7, 2020

DFWJC said:
It's a good question.

I'm right at the front of the line in harping that its a team game, but the answer is the rings.
Those rings cover a ton of Aikman's sins.

Dak is in the same boat Romo was in after 64 games of starting. Almost identical team records even.
But Aikman had a ring by then.

The good news for Dallas and Dak is that at that stage, the roster around Romo was in entering a steep decline, while this roster looks to be on the rise.
Here's to hoping Dallas' playoffs outcomes with Dak will be better going forward.

The thing that Aikman had going for him was that he played with a top 5 defense early in his career and a coach who will stop at nothing to win. You give Dak a top 5 defense and great coaching, a lot of the criticism will go away regarding Dak.

JoeKing · Jun 7, 2020

Nexx said:
if Dak is such a great leader, why did Michael Bennett have to go off in the locker room after being with the team for a such a short time?

Michael Bennett is a bomb-throwing activist that should have kept his mouth shut. Nobody is listening to him. He's nobody, just a one-year rental and then he's gone to his next gig. It appears you didn't hear Dak's comment or you wouldn't be questioning his leadership. Go check it out!

gjkoeppen · Jun 7, 2020

Jeffkills said:
Negative attitudes around here...

It's not being negative to look at things in a truthful way. You were only GUESSING at where Gregory is today. It wasn't based on any facts only guessing.
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DFWJC · Jun 7, 2020

ConstantReboot said:
The thing that Aikman had going for him was that he played with a top 5 defense early in his career and a coach who will stop at nothing to win. You give Dak a top 5 defense and great coaching, a lot of the criticism will go away regarding Dak.

No doubt that every year Aikman played on asub par team, the records were horrible.
And that 4-5 year window where Dallas was loaded beyond believe was sweet.

Still, Dak walked i to obe the best situations I’ve ever seen for a QB on the offensive side of the ball.
Table completely set. Give a QB a strong line, top RB, and decent WRs.....very hard not to succeed.

His defenses have been mostly average though.
Should be interesting going forward as that side gets better too.

SultanOfSix · Jun 7, 2020

817Gill said:
Not sure if @ClappingCarrot is available today and I love these threads so I thought I’d give it a go for y’all who look out for it. Here we go:

1. Dak, in JJT’s opinion, has put out the most powerful statement on the current events. JJT asked around the star to see how they felt about it. They all said “it speaks to Daks ability to be a leader. When he finally had something to say, it was as powerful as anyone else’s.” The power and specificity was highlighted. Regardless of what the public thinks, his teammates ride or die for Prescott because of his leadership. He brings everyone together regardless of cultural differences. JJT goes on to say that even though Dak is not yet a better player than Romo, he’s a much better leader.Enjoy!

Meh. I don't even know what this means. To prove someone is a leader, you first have to define what leadership qualities are. Then you have make a case for it by providing concrete examples of the person you are attempting to prove has them. Saying that some words the person said are "as powerful as anyone else's" doesn't highlight any leadership qualities to me. To me, leadership is highlighted (all things being equal or comparable since it is a team game) when a QB can instill confidence in the rest of his team due to both talent and knowledge of the game to make the right decisions, not only in general as the "field general", but especially in times of adversity. To be able to lead a team back when it is down. Something that a Joe Montana or even Tom "Cheatriot" Brady did a number of times. But that is only seen when it has been done at least once. Leaders don't have to be "rah, rah", high emotion guys, who engage in a lot of rhetoric to get the job done. I got no evidence of leadership qualities from anything JJT said here.

dallasdave · Jun 7, 2020

DFWJC said:
No doubt that every year Aikman played on asub par team, the records were horrible.
And that 4-5 year window where Dallas was loaded beyond believe was sweet.

Still, Dak walked i to obe the best situations I’ve ever seen for a QB on the offensive side of the ball.
Table completely set. Give a QB a strong line, top RB, and decent WRs.....very hard not to succeed.

His defenses have been mostly average though.
Should be interesting going forward as that side gets better too.

Well said my friend =Dak has all the tools-Time to win a Super Bowl. :starspin:

Sorry I meant to say win a bunch of Super Bowls

Swagger · Jun 7, 2020

ConstantReboot said:
The thing that Aikman had going for him was that he played with a top 5 defense early in his career and a coach who will stop at nothing to win. You give Dak a top 5 defense and great coaching, a lot of the criticism will go away regarding Dak.

You give any QB a top 5 defense and great coaching then a lot of the criticism would go away

Scotman · Jun 7, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
We do what we do!

And we do what we do even when they know what we do. LOL

I am so hoping to a little bit of imagination.

dallasdave · Jun 7, 2020

Scotman said:
And we do what we do even when they know what we do. LOL

I am so hoping to a little bit of imagination.

I hope this year Dallas does things a lot better and Teams have no idea what the Cowboys are going to do on offense.

Northern_Cowboy · Jun 7, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
First off if Aikman was as accurate as you think then he would have a much higher completion percentage that what he had.. Also Aikman had a better surrounding team than Prescott. Next team records are not just the result of just the QB but the entire team. That's why they are called team records.. Prescott's numbers have improved every year, but again it's a TEAM game. Lets not forget that last season the Cowboys receiving corp led the league in drops. Last season the defense played a huge part in the Cowboys success or lack of success. The Cowboys were towards the bottom of the league in 3 and outs which meant that the Cowboys always had long fields to get TD's when they finally got the ball, was 31st in takeaways, special teams was bad all season allowing returns well above league averages. Lastly an average or a player sliding in skills isn't the #1 rated free agent going into this season's free agency which is what Prescott was. It's time for you and others to stop placing the entire blame for last season's TEAM record on Prescott and realize that it is a team record with team blame.
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There it is the "team record" argument again, i would accept that from you because i do believe it is a team game, problem is that i have seen the "Dak is 40-24" as a starter argument everywhere i look on this site by all the Dak guys. You can't have it both ways, so if you want to post about me using the W/L record when speaking about Dak, then do me a favour and when you quote this post please call out all your "Dak" brothers and call them hypocrites for using the same "He's 40-24" as a starter argument because they use that as an argument when trying to make the case for Dak and that he is the reason we won all those games

DFWJC · Jun 7, 2020

Swagger said:
You give any QB a top 5 defense and great coaching then a lot of the criticism would go away

Not if they have no oline, run game or weapons. Fortunately, Dak has had all three. His whole career so far.

Get the D just a bit better and who knows!

Reid1boys · Jun 7, 2020

Great leaders of men? Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Jim Plunkett????? Trent Dilfer???Brad Johnson? Joe Montana?

Joe Montana, the greatest QB that ever played... for me, and he wasnt exactly lauded for his great leadership skills. He was a quiet leader, because he was damn good on the field.
Oh, that Patrick Mahomes... now he is a great leader boy. Let me tell you. Those men in the locker room, they would follow him into the gates of hell......bahahhahahahah

Id argue Jim Kelly is a great leader... what makes a great leader? Because you are vocal? Start naming your top 10 qbs of all time, and most are likely VIEWED as great leaders. But how do you measure leaders? It is peoples perceptions that determine if someone is a great leader.

Can you be a great leader if you dont win? Does winning make you a great leader?

Having the locker room is all BS for me. Just like team camaraderie. Almost all NFL teams have great camaraderie.... thats because winning is damn fun. Name me the top 10 worst teams that ever played a season in the NFL and Id gess not many of them had great "Chemistry."

gjkoeppen · Jun 7, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
There it is the "team record" argument again, i would accept that from you because i do believe it is a team game, problem is that i have seen the "Dak is 40-24" as a starter argument everywhere i look on this site by all the Dak guys. You can't have it both ways, so if you want to post about me using the W/L record when speaking about Dak, then do me a favour and when you quote this post please call out all your "Dak" brothers and call them hypocrites for using the same "He's 40-24" as a starter argument because they use that as an argument when trying to make the case for Dak and that he is the reason we won all those games

Take up your "Dak's record" with those that use it, I DIDN'T USE IT. But if you want any kind of rebuttal I'll say this. In the wins side that probably means that the offense and defense played well or well enough to win and in the losses it probably means the the offense or defense or both didn't play well enough to win. I purposely left out special teams because they pretty much have sucked for a while now. The only time I bring up last season's record is to point out many reasons why the losses have much more to blame than Prescott. Half of those losses last season the defense and special teams were far more to blame than Prescott.
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gjkoeppen · Jun 7, 2020

SultanOfSix said:
Meh. I don't even know what this means. To prove someone is a leader, you first have to define what leadership qualities are. Then you have make a case for it by providing concrete examples of the person you are attempting to prove has them. Saying that some words the person said are "as powerful as anyone else's" doesn't highlight any leadership qualities to me. To me, leadership is highlighted (all things being equal or comparable since it is a team game) when a QB can instill confidence in the rest of his team due to both talent and knowledge of the game to make the right decisions, not only in general as the "field general", but especially in times of adversity. To be able to lead a team back when it is down. Something that a Joe Montana or even Tom "Cheatriot" Brady did a number of times. But that is only seen when it has been done at least once. Leaders don't have to be "rah, rah", high emotion guys, who engage in a lot of rhetoric to get the job done. I got no evidence of leadership qualities from anything JJT said here.

Let me ask you a question. If a QB does get his team all fired up to make a comeback like a Montana or Brady and in the process doing it with time running out that a receiver makes a really bad timing drop and the comeback fails or a RB or WR fumbles the ball and the other team recovers and does kneel downs to kill the clock to end the game does that QB have leadership qualities or does it only count as long as other players don't do something or do somethings that hurts the team? To me leadership is when a player's team mates say he's their leader and Prescott's players on offense say he's their leader. They say he doesn't get all panicky in the huddle, he stays calm and tells them they can do it. You're trying to equate leadership to whether the TEAM in a TEAM sport and all players get everything done right on every play to make a comeback. You're trying to make it that as long as the QB does everything right but because one or more players get beat or make mistakes that this QB then isn't a leader.and that's not right.

Northern_Cowboy · Jun 7, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
Take up your "Dak's record" with those that use it, I DIDN'T USE IT. But if you want any kind of rebuttal I'll say this. In the wins side that probably means that the offense and defense played well or well enough to win and in the losses it probably means the the offense or defense or both didn't play well enough to win. I purposely left out special teams because they pretty much have sucked for a while now. The only time I bring up last season's record is to point out many reasons why the losses have much more to blame than Prescott. Half of those losses last season the defense and special teams were far more to blame than Prescott.
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I never meant to insinuate you did but if you are going to call me out for using it then don't be a hypocrite and make sure you call them out too...that's all i'm saying

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