Zeke is going to have a monster, MVP type season!

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Unless off-season acquisitions bolstered our OL significantly, I don't see this happening. However, it is possible McCarthy uses him less one dimensionally, and he has a return to form.
 

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Yep...…………...that's why I wouldn't take a RB high.

But I don't agree that running is the strength. Clearly I see the passing game as the strength of the team now.

Oline is strong, but these young guy have to step up.

I believe this OL are considered better run blockers then they are in pass protection. With Dak emergence as a passer, it should only help the ground attack.
 

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I believe this OL are considered better run blockers then they are in pass protection. With Dak emergence as a passer, it should only help the ground attack.

I think you see bigger gains this year and a more effective running game. If only for the fact that we have a better scheme and less predictable play calling.

But that center position is key. Run game wont be improving going from Frederick to Looney.
 

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I think you see bigger gains this year and a more effective running game. If only for the fact that we have a better scheme and less predictable play calling.

But that center position is key. Run game wont be improving going from Frederick to Looney.

Remember we won the division and a playoff game with Looney as the team;s starting Center. We aren't replacing the all pro Frederick but last year's version of him. Where the team may suffer is Frederick;s pre snap block protection calls. This is all assuming Looney wins the job, the Wisconsin kid reportedly biggest strength is as a run blocker.
 

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i really think we continue to be more of a passing team than the Zeke previous running attack - it began to head that way under Moore
and for Zeke to have MVP type aspirations, he is gonna have to lead the entire NFL in rushing And i don't think that will happen under
the McCarthy-Moore regime.

It's not out of the question as Edgerrin james was a back to back rushing champion in 1999 and 2000, even with Peyton Manning running the show
in Indy, but defenses are not gonna back off and spread out in attention the way they did Peyton.
That kept them from stacking against James.

i do think ( and hope) Zeke will be a 1300-1400 yd rusher
 

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Remember we won the division and a playoff game with Looney as the team;s starting Center. We aren't replacing the all pro Frederick but last year's version of him. Where the team may suffer is Frederick;s pre snap block protection calls. This is all assuming Looney wins the job, the Wisconsin kid reportedly biggest strength is as a run blocker.

Yep, I have heard this mantra many times. Is winning one playoff game your goal? Line gave up 56 sacks that year and only 23 once Frederick returned, even at 70%.

We cannot have a backup at center if we want to dominate with the line. Even a good backup.
 

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Yep, I have heard this mantra many times. Is winning one playoff game your goal? Line gave up 56 sacks that year and only 23 once Frederick returned, even at 70%.

We cannot have a backup at center if we want to dominate with the line. Even a good backup.

The Front Office actually has done a good job protecting themselves at the position. They have two high valued young prospects, but if there aren't ready a player like Looney can be an effective bridge starter. Those 56 sacks were a combination of things, I believe if Looney had to start again, that experience will only help him being a better player.
 

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Football outsiders, look it up yourself. I could provide a link but like I said earlier, I’m sick of doing your research for you and this thread has nothing to do with Dak.

When you see me comment about what I think about Dak then feel free to ask your questions, until then I’m not playing your little games but I’m sure theres hundreds, if not thousands, of people who you can argue with about your opinions of him.

Um...when YOU make the claim..it's YOUR job to "look it up". Not mine. You are the one playing games.
 

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Has there been any videos of Zeke working out so we can at least see what kind of physical shape he’s in.. because I haven’t seen anything indicating he’s in elite physical shape to have an mvp type of season. Not with last seasons form anyways.
 

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Zeke has declined since his big pay day. I don't see him having an MVP season. Nor do I think he's "the team's best player". There's no such thing unless one player is the "best" at all positions.
A wise thought --Puttyism at it's best :laugh:--Go Cowboys :starspin:
 

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The Front Office actually has done a good job protecting themselves at the position. They have two high valued young prospects, but if there aren't ready a player like Looney can be an effective bridge starter. Those 56 sacks were a combination of things, I believe if Looney had to start again, that experience will only help him being a better player.

Yep.........looney is a stop gap, nothing more. If this Oline wants to get back to elite, we need Biadasz to win the job ASAP. Glad they recognized the issue and weren't like many of the fans on here that were perfectly happy with Looney starting for us.
 

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Um...when YOU make the claim..it's YOUR job to "look it up". Not mine. You are the one playing games.
And I told you the stats/rankings, it’s not my job to answer your detailed questions. I also gave you the source so you’re that if interested in all the minute details then put on your big boy panties and look them up yourself.
 

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i really think we continue to be more of a passing team than the Zeke previous running attack - it began to head that way under Moore
and for Zeke to have MVP type aspirations, he is gonna have to lead the entire NFL in rushing And i don't think that will happen under
the McCarthy-Moore regime.

It's not out of the question as Edgerrin james was a back to back rushing champion in 1999 and 2000, even with Peyton Manning running the show
in Indy, but defenses are not gonna back off and spread out in attention the way they did Peyton.
That kept them from stacking against James.

i do think ( and hope) Zeke will be a 1300-1400 yd rusher

MM is smart enough to know how to use a high level RB, he even brought the subject up during his opening press conference. Although he never had such a player while at Green Bay, he has been around strong runners in the past. Deuce McAllister is one of them, while he was New Orleans OC. In his best season under MM, he had over 1,600 yards rushing and caught around 70 catches. I still believe Zeke will be a major part of the offense, with more opportunities in the passing game, his numbers should only increase.
 

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Yep.........looney is a stop gap, nothing more. If this Oline wants to get back to elite, we need Biadasz to win the job ASAP. Glad they recognized the issue and weren't like many of the fans on here that were perfectly happy with Looney starting for us.

I really believe drafting McGovern two years ago was an insurance policy if Travis wasn't able to ever return. Heard that MM was the driving force of making a trade for Biadasz. There are several options at the position and all are better than what we saw pre-Travis. Do I dare mention Phil Costa's name.
 

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Best back in the nfl. All i gotta say. But mcaffrey was last year. Im factoring in Zeke past 3 years
 

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And I told you the stats/rankings, it’s not my job to answer your detailed questions. I also gave you the source so you’re that if interested in all the minute details then put on your big boy panties and look them up yourself.


LOL....dude....YOU are the one that made a CLAIM. "Zeke has benefited more by the o line than dak". So YOU PROVE IT! You have NOT...you keep blaming ME for your stupidity and laziness.

Then you act like the martyr about it...a victim. You gave me some random web site to go search for myself.

You STILL have not backed up your claim..but go ahead and keep blaming me for not proving YOUR OWN POINT FOR YOU.

YOU....put on your big boy pants and prove your own point. Stop playing the martyr victim...and do what you are supposed to do. I am willing to look and listen...if you'd just do it.
 

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Best back in the nfl. All i gotta say. But mcaffrey was last year. Im factoring in Zeke past 3 years

Right on. Everyone has a great season here or there. But doing it season after season....not that easy.

I do agree....being suspended and holding out is...problematic. It's as bad as being injured. Not worse....since the body isn't being broken. But if you ain't there you ain't there.

Take that way...and he has indeed been the best all around back in the league for 4 straight years.
 

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LOL....dude....YOU are the one that made a CLAIM. "Zeke has benefited more by the o line than dak". So YOU PROVE IT! You have NOT...you keep blaming ME for your stupidity and laziness.

Then you act like the martyr about it...a victim. You gave me some random web site to go search for myself.

You STILL have not backed up your claim..but go ahead and keep blaming me for not proving YOUR OWN POINT FOR YOU.

YOU....put on your big boy pants and prove your own point. Stop playing the martyr victim...and do what you are supposed to do. I am willing to look and listen...if you'd just do it.
Random website? Have you even looked at it? It’s the most comprehensive site related to offensive lines there is, find me one better. It clearly explains how each statistic is broken down and there are several. What more do you want?

It’s obvious when the offensive line is ranked 4th overall in run blocking but ~15th in pass blocking that the RB would benefit more than the QB. Again, what more do you want?

What exactly would satisfy you for me to “back up my claim”? If you want me to break it down even further than do your own research or find something that is as comprehensive as the site I provided that says otherwise.

So far all you’ve done is say I’m wrong but haven’t provided a shred of statistical evidence that says otherwise or contradicts the stats I provided.

Bring something to the table or shut your mouth. When I say zeke isn’t the best RB in the NFL, I give reasons and statistics to back it up, I don’t just make the claim with no verification, I suggest you do the same.

You literally remind me of my 5 year old niece who constantly asks “but why”? no matter what evidence I provide.

Also, you keep saying I’m the one that brought this up...do you even remember what we’re talking about and who started the argument? I’m quite sure you kept trying to bait me into an argument about Dak in a Zeke thread, not the other way around.

Go back to the playground where you belong, let the adults argue. I can at least respect people who disagree with me if they provide a decent argument but you don’t even do that. You provide nothing. Zero. Zilch. You just ask questions and more questions and more questions until other people do your research for you. Go find another gopher.
 
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Right on. Everyone has a great season here or there. But doing it season after season....not that easy.

I do agree....being suspended and holding out is...problematic. It's as bad as being injured. Not worse....since the body isn't being broken. But if you ain't there you ain't there.

Take that way...and he has indeed been the best all around back in the league for 4 straight years.
Yup and im really not interested in debating it with dudes on here. Same dudes that were hyping up david johnson and todd gurley. Just exposing themselves
 

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I really believe drafting McGovern two years ago was an insurance policy if Travis wasn't able to ever return. Heard that MM was the driving force of making a trade for Biadasz. There are several options at the position and all are better than what we saw pre-Travis. Do I dare mention Phil Costa's name.
Looney won’t cut it. Can’t sugar coat it. At some point your homerish defense of every player has to stop.
 
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