“Don’t pay Dak” crowd, what’s your QB solution?

PAPPYDOG said:

Dalton, he's not elite but he's much better than Dak.
Now rescind the Tag and pick up Griffin DE and whatever stud defensive Fa is still out there.
Dalton will be good for at least 2-3 years and in that time span develop our rook QB or move up in the draft and get a QB.
Paying Dak 30 million Tag cash is a total waste of Cap funds!

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He’s never been better than Dak is his career
Suddenly he’s gonna be?

Jake said:

Get ready for "Play Dalton and draft a QB next year."

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#DontpayDak

Very smart move signing Dalton. Pretty much takes away Dak's leverage. He has 3 options at this point. Sign the tag, sign the deal the Cowboys are offering or sit the year. The Cowboys are fine with any of those options. Those we're the options before signing Dalton, but now the Cowboys aren't under the gun to get it done and over pay.

I’m not in the don’t pay Dak camp per se but the way the math works I would not say Dak is necessarily $30 million (give or take a few) better than Andy Dalton for next year.

However, Dalton has likely hit his ceiling and if it is not championship good then simply playing him for one year to draft a rookie essentially puts the program back a few years while that rookie develops.

Paying Dak opens the possibility of the championship window for a few years given the rest of the offense appears ready.

CATCH17 said:

Dalton guarantees a similar level of play.

Draft gives us the chance to do better for cheaper.

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wrong on both counts,Dalton has never had a season like Dak and is declining rapidly.

PAPPYDOG said:

Dalton, he's not elite but he's much better than Dak.

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WillieBeamen said:

And where has Dak’s level of play gotten this team?


QBs not as good as Dak (Blake Bortles and Mark Sanchez) have gotten farther in the playoffs than Dak has

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If you knew football (or had any ability to process information rationally), that would tell you that QB play ALONE doesn’t determine team success.

It would ALSO tell you that settling for cheap garbage at QB isn’t any kind of long-term solution, just like it wasn’t for the Jaguars or the Jets. Bortles and Sanchez are out of football. The Jaguars and Jets are the dregs of the league.

But you don’t.

leeblair said:

Well, they should have tagged Dak with the non-exclusive tag and signed Case Keenum.
And they could still get Keenum for less than Dak is asking and he would be far better.
That was an easy and obvious decision.
Kellen Moore could come out of coaching and still outplay Dak
Marcus Mariota would have been better.
Josh Rosen, maybe.
Or Colt McCoy.
We know Dak isn't the answer.

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Wait. Let's talk this over, bloke..
You are talking like a radical, like a San Adams when we need a Kerensky.

Nav22 said:

If you knew football (or had any ability to process information rationally), that would tell you that QB play ALONE doesn’t determine team success.

It would ALSO tell you that settling for cheap garbage at QB isn’t any kind of long-term solution, just like it wasn’t for the Jaguars or the Jets. Bortles and Sanchez are out of football. The Jaguars and Jets are the dregs of the league.

But you don’t.

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I literally do not care what YOU have to say


But keep on quoting my posts buddy and being in your feelings

leeblair said:

Well, they should have tagged Dak with the non-exclusive tag and signed Case Keenum.
And they could still get Keenum for less than Dak is asking and he would be far better.
That was an easy and obvious decision.
Kellen Moore could come out of coaching and still outplay Dak
Marcus Mariota would have been better.
Josh Rosen, maybe.
Or Colt McCoy.
We know Dak isn't the answer.

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Kellen Moore? Really. Yeah I’m done with you. Your agenda is showing.

Dak is not 5 times better than Dalton.

Super_Kazuya said:

This year either release Dak and play Dalton or let Dak play on the tag... I won’t pretend that Dak’s cap hit this year is going to make any difference at this stage of the game.
Next year spend a day 2 pick on a QB. Look for the same qualities as Dak... middling talent but smart, mature, does well in meeting/classroom and comes from a winner. He’s not handed the job but competes for it.
Always take the temperature of the offensive line, which is the true linchpin of the team. When the offensive line dries up, the team is going to need to transition to a QB with a lot more talent... the kind typically found at the top of the first round.

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I don't see banking on a day 2 pick as a viable solution. You had the luxury of doing that when you had Romo in place but not with Dalton. It needs to be a top pick. I started saying the Cowboys need to start stockpiling picks before the 2019 draft to prepare to move up for Trevor Lawrence but nobody listened.

ShortRound131 said:

Play Dak on tag? Dalton? Trade? If so who?

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Not a solution being Prescott can hold out. I doubt he'll choose that route knowing he may lose his job to Dalton.

phildadon86 said:

Kellen Moore? Really. Yeah I’m done with you. Your agenda is showing.

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Whyjerry said:

Why it’s Trevor Lawrence of course. Him
or anyone else.

The Dak haters are delusional. Finding a good QB is very, very difficult.

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I mean its really not that hard. The Dolphins got the guy they wanted all along and they were actually competitive down the stretch of the season. If you have to be bad for a season rather than having an average QB hold you hostage then so be it.

Forgive me for repeating myself.

A long time ago, high school and college teams didn't throw the ball. It was option stuff, T formations and running backs play after play. As a result, once you got to the pros, there were only a handful of guys in the world that were big enough, smart enough and had the throwing ability to be NFL quarterbacks. A lot of teams were starting QB's who had no business being there. Lynn Dickey, Mike Pagel, David Archer, etc. etc.

That isn't the case anymore. Beyond that, baseball isn't as popular or you get people playing both sports so you get more big guys that can throw starting pretty early. Positional scarcity isn't what it once was at the QB position. A lot of the starting QB's from the 80's couldn't make a roster if they played today.

What determines how well a QB does nowadays is his line, his receivers and his coach. There are a LOT of guys that can throw the ball nowadays and if you put them in a good situation, they will look good.

Dak is better than Dalton but if you can keep Dalton for $10m per year, you could buy multiple high level players for the difference between the two. The TEAM would be better with a competent QB making $10m vs an above average on making $35m.

Personally, I wouldn't give Dak what he wants. Let him play on the tag this year and see how both him and Dalton do in practice. Play the best guy this year but then go with the best value next year. If that's Dalton, tag and trade Dak.

And yes, Dallas paid Romo. How did that work out for the Cowboys?

After 20+ of no progress and subpar seasons I'de say at this point what's another .500 or losing season? Really? Anybody else but DAK. Does Dak guarantee us a playoff appearance? NO. Does Dak guarantee us a superbowl? NO So if Dak isnt' under center how is it going to change the season? IT"S NOT.

jaythecowboy said:

As far as I know the Cowboys still haven't offered more the guaranteed money than Wentz and Goff.

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True, the last rumor was about the same money (105M). The thing about Dak not taking the deal last year is that he'll really never recover the 30+ million he would have made last year. Signing for 5 years last offseason would have still given him another big contract in the same timeframe he wants now. If you add up the money, he should have signed last year if they were giving him similar money.

reddyuta said:

wrong on both counts,Dalton has never had a season like Dak and is declining rapidly.

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I don’t care that Dalton has never had a season statistically like Dak..

They are similar players and Dak would probably be out of the league by now had he started his career in Cincy.

I just don't think we have a top-tier QB option for this season. IMHO, Dak's just not that guy. I'm not sure that paying Dak top-tier money helps anything. I suspect that Dak and Andy would give us similar results, so I'd shop Dak around and pick up another veteran QB. If DiNucci doesn't show real promise this season, we'll need to look at next year's draft for some QB talent. That's my $.02.

Alexander said:

So that means one of two things.

Dalton plays well, the draft pick is at the middle to the end of the first. Good luck finding your QB there. That means a Paxton Lynch more than a solution.

If people think you can just "draft another one" any year, they really don't may attention to how things work and live in a Fantasy Land.

The only solution if that is the plan is to tank. And that is really really stupid.

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Top QBs in NFL, and when they were picked:
Mahommes: 10
Rodgers: 24
Wilson: 75
Brees: 33
Jackson: 32
Watson: 12

I think top QBs are found later than we think. Especially if we think Dak is one.I'm not saying don't pay Dak, but we can certainly find a QB if we finish 7-9.