“Don’t pay Dak” crowd, what’s your QB solution?

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There was a question a while back on would you rather have Dak or Dalton? The real question is would you rather have Dak or Dalton, 2 1st round draft picks, & 2-3 studs in free agency with the money saved.

As loaded as the offense is I would expect either QB to have a good statistical season.... a lot of QB's could. Back when Romo was hurt and the team struggled it was because the team was not that loaded..... It proved that Romo was making a 4-12 team an 8-8 team all along.

Dak is taking an 11-5 team and making them 9-7.

The reason why Dallas went 8-8 last year even with a loaded team was because they had an average coach and an average QB..... hence an average record. I will ignore the fact that Garrett won coach of the year honors twice.

If the QB is a stud surrounded by studs on Offense than the team and Offense would not have struggled. How often in the history of football do you see a great QB or even a good QB with an average coach struggle? I have never seen it. The head coach was not even calling the plays. He really was just standing on the sideline trying to motivate.... kind of like Jimmy. Jimmy was a great head coach for the confused reader's.

I do not want to hear about how the Defense sucked. I believe they finished 11th overall. They did not get a lot of takeaways.... because their scheme was a bend but do not break.

I do not want to hear about special teams. Forbath made all his kicks. Maher made about 5 kicks that no one else in the world could have made.... so it evened out. Plus the games they lost where Maher missed a kick I do not belive any of those games were decided by 3 points or less.

The reality is Dallas had the luxury of a very very easy schedule last year playing in one of the worst divisions in the HISTORY of football. Outside of the division they played an awful division in the AFC East. Outside of the NFC east they went 3-7. They lost against an Eagles team that had lost 23 players to injury on Defense. They were running 10 deep in the secondary. These were guys who were on the couches at home suiting up in a week to play in the NFL.

Dak played awful missing very easy throws. Was his shoulder hurt? The facts say he was not very injured at all. He played. He said it was not hurt. He played fine the next week. Maybe he was dinged up. By week 16 every player in the NFL is dinged up. And for you stat lovers everyone can admit Dak sucked against the Eagles.... but his stats looked okay.

The question is if you think and say that Dak is not a very good QB than why would some team give up 2 1st round picks.... easy answer.... because it only takes 1..... and you know the saying their is 1 born every minute. Plus it is not my decision. And Dallas has done a good job hyping up their product and players.
 

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This thread has been worth so many laughs. QB by committee? :lmao2:

Yup. 4th and 1, Hill at QB. The D thinks run, but no. Hill hits a slant route for a big gain.

1st and 10, Zeke can hand off to himself. 2nd and 5, Cooper earns that 20 mil and hands off to Zeke. 3rd and 1, LVE throws incomplete over the middle.

This could be the most fun offense ever.
 

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There was a question a while back on would you rather have Dak or Dalton? The real question is would you rather have Dak or Dalton, 2 1st round draft picks, & 2-3 studs in free agency with the money saved.

As loaded as the offense is I would expect either QB to have a good statistical season.... a lot of QB's could. Back when Romo was hurt and the team struggled it was because the team was not that loaded..... It proved that Romo was making a 4-12 team an 8-8 team all along.

Dak is taking an 11-5 team and making them 9-7.

The reason why Dallas went 8-8 last year even with a loaded team was because they had an average coach and an average QB..... hence an average record. I will ignore the fact that Garrett won coach of the year honors twice.

If the QB is a stud surrounded by studs on Offense than the team and Offense would not have struggled. How often in the history of football do you see a great QB or even a good QB with an average coach struggle? I have never seen it. The head coach was not even calling the plays. He really was just standing on the sideline trying to motivate.... kind of like Jimmy. Jimmy was a great head coach for the confused reader's.

I do not want to hear about how the Defense sucked. I believe they finished 11th overall. They did not get a lot of takeaways.... because their scheme was a bend but do not break.

I do not want to hear about special teams. Forbath made all his kicks. Maher made about 5 kicks that no one else in the world could have made.... so it evened out. Plus the games they lost where Maher missed a kick I do not belive any of those games were decided by 3 points or less.

The reality is Dallas had the luxury of a very very easy schedule last year playing in one of the worst divisions in the HISTORY of football. Outside of the division they played an awful division in the AFC East. Outside of the NFC east they went 3-7. They lost against an Eagles team that had lost 23 players to injury on Defense. They were running 10 deep in the secondary. These were guys who were on the couches at home suiting up in a week to play in the NFL.

Dak played awful missing very easy throws. Was his shoulder hurt? The facts say he was not very injured at all. He played. He said it was not hurt. He played fine the next week. Maybe he was dinged up. By week 16 every player in the NFL is dinged up. And for you stat lovers everyone can admit Dak sucked against the Eagles.... but his stats looked okay.

The question is if you think and say that Dak is not a very good QB than why would some team give up 2 1st round picks.... easy answer.... because it only takes 1..... and you know the saying their is 1 born every minute. Plus it is not my decision. And Dallas has done a good job hyping up their product and players.

Best post I have read on here for a long time. Somebody who actually understands the bigger picture.
 

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I believe if the FO stuck to the tag, Dak would sign and play under it, rather than to allow Dalton to take over. If he showed up very favorably under the Cowboys current staff, he would most likely be paid accordingly next year. If not, both he and Andy could be left to compete for the starting role in 2021. If Dak then refused to compete and held out, he could be traded and the team could use the pick(s) to get their QB of the future. In that scenario, Dak would be able to choose his own fate. If he then accepted the challenge to compete, may the best man win!
 
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Dalton, he's not elite but he's much better than Dak.
Now rescind the Tag and pick up Griffin DE and whatever stud defensive Fa is still out there.
Dalton will be good for at least 2-3 years and in that time span develop our rook QB or move up in the draft and get a QB.
Paying Dak 30 million Tag cash is a total waste of Cap funds!
problem is, you don't have Dalton for 2-3 years. he signed a one year contract. If he starts and has a good year, he will likely get Tannehill money (nearly $30M per season) for somebody. I'd rather pay Dak that extra $5M than start over after Dalton leaves and we have to find our franchise QB in the draft. Which if Dalton balls out, that pick would likely be in the 20's. Probably won't get your franchise QB there. Even if Dalton sucks (which is more likely), this team is good enough to win 7-9 games with bad QB play. So we aren't getting Trevor Lawrence or anybody else in the mid teens.
 

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What’s the solution from fans who say pay Dak what he wants then he and this highly paid offense isn’t enough to carry us deeper in the playoffs?
 

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I would have given him the transition tag to allow the market to set the price; however, that could have resulted in a no show. If he's dug in on what he wants then he most likely would have looked at that as an insult and a gesture of "no faith".

I do not have another option at QB because I do not fault him for not achieving more as a team. I think he's good enough to take the team to the Big Dance but the D has not been good enough and in the playoffs, D's have to at least be opportunistic.

This is all about right now and in the very near future, it's not a lifetime commitment and a 4 year deal will give them time to explore his successor because in 4 years, he isn't going to want less.

Good teams plan their transition to another QB, GB and SF both did that successfully as has KC. NE tried to set it up so they could trade their QB.

The Cowboys management creates these situations and puts themselves in the corner consistently. Hard for anyone here to have an option with them running the show.
The problem with the Transition tag are your options. Or rather your singular option. You can MATCH any offer that he gets, but if you do NOT match; you get NOTHING in compensation. The Non-exclusive Franchise tag was the way to go and we failed to do it.
 

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I did watch him for most of his starts because I rode him to the fantasy football playoffs. Came in 2nd and took home $500.
Tannehill was throwing 2 to 3 TDs for a lot of games. He looked solid. I think the 8 passes thrown was Jimmy G.
Tannehill profited off derrick henry leading the league in rushing with a better defense than ours. Defensively getting a total of 23 takeaways compared to our abysmal 17
 

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It was more satisfying coming up short with Big Tuna since we knew it couldn’t be coaching that held us back. Hopefully we’ll have the same comfort coming up short with Fat Mikey .

We sure will miss blaming the Puppet though.
Who will we blame?

Surely not our lack of talent in certain areas , players execution or the possibility of losing to better teams or greater talent.
 

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Wally Pipp gave way to a 22 year old Gehrig. He was 32 at the time.

Romo got Wally Pipped. The comparison doesn't work with an older player replacing a young guy.

Try for a better analogy next time.

Romo didn't get Wally Pipped. Wally Pipp was a career .281 hitter with 90hrs and just over a 1000 RBIs in 15 seasons. No All Star seasons, no Golden Gloves, no MVP awards. Gehrig was a life time .340 hitter with almost 2000 RBI's and 493 HRs. He was a 7 time All Star, a 2 time MVP and would have likely won more if not for playing on the same team with Ruth. Probably the best 1st Baseman in the history of the game IMO. Lou Gehrig was just flat better thenPipp. Dak is not better then Romo was, at this point in his career. Pipp lost his job to better player. Romo lost his job to a younger player, but not a better one.
 

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I think most fans believe we should pay Dak. But are more critical of over paying him.
 

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Of course the market is defined. Especially when your agent has data to prove he was better than 2 qbs that just signed 4 year extensions last off season. The deal in front of him is 5 years when every other qb recently has signed for a max of 4 years

It's defined at 35 AAV. That Offer is there for Dak, it's not defined at more then that. That's just the truth of it. Every other QB didn't sign a 4 year deal. Not even going to argue that with you. They signed extensions that added years to the existing which allows for more cap flexibility. With the Cowboys, they gotta make the numbers work with just 4 years and that's a lot harder to do. Hard to fault the team for not wanting to do that. But the original statement about market, he has a top of the market deal in front of him. If he decides not to sign it, that's his right but it's not true that the Cowboys are not offering him market. They are.
 

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Oh, I'm pretty sure we all know what that means.
These people do not make any sense these days.

99.9% of us would love to have Patrick MaHomes, Tua, Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, etc as the "image of our QB".

Our "image of a QB" is someone who can throw a perfectly timed strike in a 12 inch window.

Get over yourself, Abe.
 

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These people do not make any sense these days.

99.9% of us would love to have Patrick MaHomes, Tua, Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, etc as the "image of our QB".

Our "image of a QB" is someone who can throw a perfectly timed strike in a 12 inch window.

Get over yourself, Abe.

I definitely do not want to get too deep into this because my experience is that, like penalties on the field, the second guy always gets flagged. LOL......

But yes, I agree, I believe Russell Wilson is the best QB in the entire League and I'd love to have that guy. Don't love Tue, not 100% on Watson over Dak but I would take Mahomes for sure. I get what you are saying and I agree.

Nuff said.
 

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Talent backed by quality coaching and a good cap situation.

Most of core talent is young and locked up for 3-4 years. I think if Garrett was here, then it wouldn't matter. But this team has the talent and a good coach should have them contending over the next 4 years.

Who are these core players, and please post how you're going to keep them?
 

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and the number of QBs picked after 20 that were bad? and the num,ber of QBs that were picked in the top 10 that were bad? Brady was found in the 6th round. he is the goat. so perhaps we should take the approach of selecting QBs in the 6th round......

I bet you that there is a much much much higher percentage of QBs that were picked and ended up as average to bad QBs after the a5th pick, than the ones picked in the top 15. what's your penchant to gamble? what kind of odds you think you have picking later in the draft?
I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I'm just saying it's quite possible to find great quarterbacks in the mid first round or later. The draft is also littered with top 10 quarterbacks who aren't that great. Better odds for sure but not guarantees
 

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Dalton this season and next season . Develop back ups and draft a future QB. Plenty will be availaben.
Dalton is mature , very accurate and is a gamer . Cincinnati was never gonna be a great franchise . Give dalton a chance .
In 2019, Dalton completed 59.5% of his passes. He had a drop rate of 5.4% (27 drops) and a bad throw % of 18.3%. Was on target 71.8%. YPA was 6.2
In 2019 Dak completed 65.1% of his passes. He had a drop rate of 6.2% (36 drops) and a bad throw % of 14.8%. Was on target 77.6%. YPA was 8.2.

So Dak had more pass attempts, more of his passes were on target and completed. He had way more passes dropped, but still had a higher completion % and a higher yards per attempt.

So if Dalton is "very accurate" what do you think Dak is?
 
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